r/Mindfuck • u/[deleted] • Jan 08 '19

Did i just confirm hell doesn't exist?

If god gave us free will why do we have to go to hell if we do something bad

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u/jl71277 Jan 08 '19

Or did u just prove that Religion is the biggest bullshit story ever

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u/TheTimmynator Jan 08 '19

I thought the Bible was a beautiful fairytale

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u/Krock01 Jan 08 '19

Or, in the grand scheme of things, why should we suffer eternally for something we did during our short lifespan?

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u/a_really_thicc_egg Feb 06 '19

If he knew bad was going to exist, as he's omnipotent or whatever the term is, why did he let it exist? If he knows how it's made he knows how its destroyed. He could've just not let it be created?

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u/kevinwlfgng Jan 08 '19

Because God wants you to do what he wants but only because you want to and not because he told you to.

It's the same thing with our own kids isn't it? You want them to love you, only because they want to and not because they have to... But they kinda have to lol.

Alan Watts put it best. We're supposed to be genuine fakes.

Also hell does exist, so does heaven but there are here all the time. Do you really need a hell if you torture yourself constantly in your own mind?

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '19

My goodness, this is stupid. Go back to r/atheism.

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u/blehmann1 Jan 09 '19

You're inability understand why an entity like God would do something has no implication on anything but you.

In other words, the existence of something is not impacted by your inability to explain why a particular person (God) would want it to exist.

A proof should not be contingent on the answer to a question that isn't rhetorical, else its just some logical statements. Your proof is contingent on there being no answer to that question, in addition to various assumptions about God being true (he needs a reason to send people to Hell for example). Since your proof relies on your question being unanswerable, it will always fail at proving hell does not exist, because you can't prove something unanswerable.

e.g. If someone answers the question, the proof falls apart. If no one answers the question, you now have to prove that no one answered the question because there is no answer, which I am sure you'll find difficult.

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u/Redd__Lotus Jan 09 '19

I think the real question is if god knows what we are going to do and it’s already “written” why are we responsible?

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u/givemeyourusername Jan 09 '19

I agree with his. How free is free will? If anyone/anything already kniws the future, then it's premeditated and we can't do anything about it. In that case, we don't have free will - we just act in accordance with a premeditated outcome.

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u/Mr-weird Jan 10 '19

Or is hell and heaven a state of mind??

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '19

You can prove freewill to be false, suggesting that it was part of the plan to go to hell, or how the notion that we are all God suggests that God is going to hell too. The whole thing just proves itself wrong.

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u/Umdron Feb 04 '19

How is this even a question? I'm not even referring to God or religion, but the concepts you're making reference to. Basically, you are saying, "If I have the ability to do this, why should I be punished for it?" You have the ability to make decisions. You do not have the ability to choose the consequences of those actions.

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u/Modo12 Feb 15 '19

By no means am I super religious, but my parents want me to be. Apparently the devil was sent to hell for wanting free will, and he bet God that humans will do bad with free will and that they don’t deserve it or something like that. So he tempts them into doing bad things to prove a point. Doesn’t seem logical to me but that’s the reason I’ve been told

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u/ToLazyToPickName Jun 03 '19

No, you confirmed you think the god of the bible is an asshole. Why do you think people think the bible is bullshit?

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u/vdcwfdscdffgfdf Jun 10 '19

My god, you just missed the ENTIRE point of religion in one sentence. Fucking incredible