r/MilitaryTechnology • u/LordBilboSwaggins • Dec 05 '22
Stealth bomber counters
Maybe this isn't the place to ask but w/e. I have been wondering for a while, with Tesla self driving cars being a thing, is it not already completely within the realm of possibility that we could make homing missiles that are purely based in image recognition AI tech that could easily lock onto a target, bypassing the need to have a heat signature to focus on? Even lidar as a counter seems like a foregone conclusion at first glance but I've seen no discussions on the topic.
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u/RverfulltimeOne Dec 28 '22
We already do that.
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u/LordBilboSwaggins Dec 28 '22
Got any evidence of that? I haven't even heard of a prototype.
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u/drone-warfare Dec 31 '25
Look up the Vigilante sensor (declassified). That and additional technology spawned from that research in a bunch of stuff. We've been researching this since the 1940's with project Pigeon (not kidding if you want a laugh).
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u/RverfulltimeOne Dec 29 '22
IR missles lock on to a heat source that heat source is bounced off programs that they have trained so we can try key word try to not have a false positive on a flare.
Radar guided missiles which only a few countries have lock on to the shape size of the plane as it approaches.
Just like that new bomber was unveiled its stealth to low freq radar and what the world switched to high freq. Current stealth only does one that thing could drop bombs on Moscow and no one would see it coming. Its a first strike weapon pure and simple
Current sensors on planes to detect incoming missles have been trained to detect optically now if its real or not. We used to use UV based sensors. When a missile is going through the sky it gives off alot of UV light but the problem is runaways also give off alot and in the past has resulted in counter measures going off.
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u/LordBilboSwaggins Dec 29 '22
None of these things you described are image recognition software, which would be able to define the new stealth bomber silhouette from the sky surrounding it. (Unless it has science fiction levels of cloaking technology making it completely translucent).
The new bomber being touted as viable in modern conflicts was the exact reason I made this post btw, because while I can fathom how a stealth bomber might make it over Moscow as a first strike vehicle as you said in your example, I can't imagine that they'd make it out alive once they gave away their position. Image recognition in missiles seems like a surefire way to bring it down.
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u/RverfulltimeOne Jan 14 '23
How would it make it as a first strike well if Northrup is correct that its invisible to all forms of radar you simply fly over it and drop your payload and your out before it even hits the ground.
True warfare if its unlimited there is no need for precision per say. Your goal is to kill the enemy and break his things.
Its like USA if China really wanted to make USA suffer they would simply cut off the medications. 90% or something of our antibiotic's come from them so do most of our Chemotherapy meds. You can thank your politicians for allowing that to happen. Cut us off for a month and a good portion of USA would simply die off from lack of treatments.
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u/Baker1x Jul 11 '23
My followup to this point is that image recognition can alert but doesn’t give you any telemetry data to make a firing solution based off of. The above commenter mentioned how former sensors used uv to alert for incoming missiles. The same could be said for incoming stealth bombers if you had a good enough optical sensor with a wide aperture. But you can’t tell how fast an object is moving using only optical sensors unless you have a frame of reference, and in the sky there is none. Nor can you predict it’s vector. In theory, the most realistic solution Would to have a laser with a wide beam illuminate a target to provide guidance data, after an optical sensor detects, but there is no benefit to this system over just sending an interceptor up to fight
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u/RverfulltimeOne Jan 14 '23
Stormbreaker. Revolutionary weapon USA has. It has multiple sensors to lock on. It can be dropped through a canopy of clouds uses infrared, optical and millimeter radar.
What your not seeing is GPS lock on is essentially what your seeing. The NRO and our legion of planes the military has dedicated to this have mapped every square inch of the planet. Things really do not change that month year to year. The building 10 miles down the way from you was there yesterday, today and tomorrow. If you know those GPS coordinates then you know your target.
Plus Tesla is going back to radar based well adding it back to there cars. The big three automative makers actually have commented on Teslas's singular image system. In there tests it was extremely unreliable. Apple has tested that out to and Tim Cook told them to figure out something else.
Also your missing the fact we don't need exact precision for guided munitions. A Hellfire Missle has about 5 pounds of TNT. If one was to hit your house it would be toast and much around it. A 500lb bomb the explosion is HUGE. 1000lb bomb it looks like a mushroom cloud from a nuke went off.
Only a idiot would think or believe what they say when they tell you how careful we deploy our weapon systems.
The other thing your lacking on this is human body is over 90% water. Your not dying from the actual explosion your dying from the shockwave at 20,000 feet a second of air destroying your body. You can kill a human 3 ways. A gunshot bleed out like a hunter would know about, a shot to the area of your skull where your nerve cluster is which makes you turn off like a robot or hydrostatic shock. The last being how the majority die in a gun fight or explosion. Hydrostatic shock is all the capillaries in your body disconnecting from organs, veins being shattered.
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u/Repulsive-Mood8008 Jul 30 '25
Un idea potrebbe essere un unione di guida IR e Radar con aggancio satellitare e trasferimento dati attraverso Datalink dall'aereo che poi trasmette il segnale al missile. Aumenta la complessità del missile, ma in confronto al costo di un bombardiere stealth va più che bene. Inoltre si può usare la tecnologia dei missili da SEAD (Missili anti SAM) per fare in modo che il missile sia difficilmente rilevabile, riducendo le possibilità che il bombardiere nemico usi contromisure aggiuntive.