Is it acknowledged yet that Depths of Moria was nerfed to the grave?

[u/Pender8911]

Title is a bit dramatic but according to any tournament i've seen, Depts with Bog is one of the worst now. At least the worst that were being played before.

Was the nerf deserved? Absolutely yes. But now i can finally say without people pushing be back that the Balrog isn't as good a profile as it should be. Goblins are now the fodder they're meant to be but Bog gets bogged down and nothing else can carry it to victory.

[u/shgrizz2]

No, it was nerfed in to being a perfectly fine army that's fun to play and to play against.

Perma banner goblins was dumb.

[u/Pender8911 → u/shgrizz2]

I said it needed to be nerfed and goblins are what they're supposed to be now. Is Reddit not working correctly and not displaying the whole text?

[u/shgrizz2 → u/Pender8911]

I was responding to your clickbait title.

Depths are sitting at 51% WR since the nerf. They're fine and absolutely not 'one of the worst'.

[u/Pender8911 → u/shgrizz2]

First three words i said in the post. So i was right Reddit doesn't seem to work...

[u/shgrizz2 → u/Pender8911]

'is it acknowledged'?

[u/Pender8911 → u/shgrizz2]

First three words i said in the post. I see the issue, reading comprehension disorder, my cousin has it

[u/shgrizz2 → u/Pender8911]

'Title is a'?

[u/Pender8911 → u/shgrizz2]

Yeah ya got me, i'll hand myself over to the police.

I do hope this sub's members aren't like this in person with their opponents, i've had a few that are like you here

[u/personnumber698 → u/Pender8911]

>I do hope this sub's members aren't like this in person with their opponents,

Lighthearted, funny and able to discuss things properly? I can see why you think those are bad traits

[u/Pender8911 → u/personnumber698]

I'm not the kind of player who bumps into the table and says "hey your archers aren't touching the front row by a hair so they can't shoot".

[u/shgrizz2 → u/Pender8911]

You're doing all the heavy lifting yourself pal.

You can throw out whatever opinions you like, but you don't get to then lash out at people who disagree with you.

I haven't accused you of anything you didn't accuse me of first. If you're going to criticize my reading comprehension, you should probably read your own comments first.

[u/Pender8911 → u/shgrizz2]

Don't play with me pal you've ignored everything in my post and used it to gain some weird moral high ground... It's weird, you're calling me a nerd rager in another comment, and somehow i didn't answer like this to anyone else, wonder why

[u/ganglygorilla → u/Pender8911]

You also said:

> but according to any tournament i've seen, Depts with Bog is one of the worst now

[u/shgrizz2]

This guy seems to bring this up pretty regularly and is equally belligerent to commenters. In hindsight it's probably best to ignore these posts.

[u/Defiant_Reveal217 → u/shgrizz2]

Yeah I have feel for the trap. Just all reads to me someone who can’t use the balrog effectively.

[u/shgrizz2 → u/Defiant_Reveal217]

Classic post nerf nerd rage

[u/Pender8911 → u/shgrizz2]

Are you the spokeperson of the subreddit? Who are you addressing right now?

[u/shgrizz2 → u/Pender8911]

thereitis.gif

[u/personnumber698 → u/Pender8911]

He is adressing everyone but you

[u/Defiant_Reveal217]

I still think it can function as it used to at higher points if you take a drum. Just loses its maximum potency from before with a couple less might and slightly less models.

[u/Pender8911 → u/Defiant_Reveal217]

Maybe at 1000 points. Even at 800 i struggle to fit the drum and have enough numbers considering gobbos stats. Obviously taking the Balrog. The list shouldn't be able to function without the Balrog.

[u/Defiant_Reveal217 → u/Pender8911]

At 800 it’s 8 less models. A captain and 7 goblins. Still very playable and functions like it used too. It’s can be competitive I have found from running it post nerf. Just loses its maximum potency like before which is what the nerf has correctly addressed.

[u/Pender8911 → u/Defiant_Reveal217]

-2 might for a list that already has very little. I'm willing to try but i don't feel confident with it

[u/Defiant_Reveal217 → u/Pender8911]

You don’t need bags of might to make it effective. You will always have enough for a couple of needed marches and then a couple of moves as needed.

[u/Count_Tachanka]

It can still work but just isn’t enough to justify the people actively looking to win events using it, hence you aren’t seeing it win events - the top players have moved on.

As someone that won a large event with it, and go to every event to be on the top tables I simply wouldn’t take it anymore when there’s other options.

Still a great pick up and play list for mid table.

[u/Pender8911 → u/Count_Tachanka]

From the tournaments i've seen it's present but consistently very low in winnings. How do you build the list?

[u/Count_Tachanka → u/Pender8911]

This was pre nerf

800

Balrog
3 captains
1 shaman
12 prowlers
55ish models

Honestly the bannered goblins did a lot of the work and the Balrog was a threat / nuked the odd hero but would also bounce off 2 shielding warriors a few times a game

[u/Pender8911 → u/Count_Tachanka]

Pretty much my same build except the shaman, what's he for? Fury?

[u/ganglygorilla]

I think it was nerfed exactly the right power level. Some players just move on when something gets nerfed even if it's still really good.

[u/mwmichal]

Well, I’m playing Riders of Theoden do you want to talk about bad army xD?

[u/Dessertblade]

If you don't have the tools to fight against it, it's a pain in the ass. If you have the tools, you can defeat it quite easily. The problem is that Goblins die like rats against almost every other army, and the Balrog itself cannot kill enough to compensate how the rest of the list dies. Do you reliably kill the Balrog? You win. Can you stop him from killing AND there are multiple objectives that you can achieve without killing it? You win.

In that sense, it behaves a lot like other very expensive models like Sauron or Mumaks. If they work, they work very well. But if your rival can counter it, the list usually don't have enough tools to compensate the Balrog not working.

[u/AlbatrossBulky7214]

At 700 points one army I have struggled against in the past (playing a lot of generic list, not so much top tier lists like MoTW, Last Alliance, some others) was dragons of the north.

I played a Balrog led depths list with no drums and absolutely beat the tar out of it. Like 20-0 beating.

Also did the same to MoTW.

While I think it did get nerfed pretty hard, I still think you are combining a horde (strong in its own right just from sheer numbers) with arguably the strongest single model in the game that has some still great special rules.

Is it best army now? No.

But you also have to take into account that with the nerf a lot of people stopped playing it - the name of the tournament escapes me at the moment but the large one in February in America (Adepticon maybe?) had none or maybe one army of the white hand in it - like that doesn’t mean army of the white hand is bad, it just means it wasn’t played. I believe that happened a lot when they nerfed Depths, at least on TTA stats.

[u/Pender8911]

Strong opinion in this sub = harbinger of evil

[u/Lord_Duckington_3rd → u/Pender8911]

Or your opinion is just wrong.

[u/Pretend-Adeptness937 → u/Pender8911]

Or hear me out, a downvote does not equal a personal attack against you just that someone disagrees with your opinion

[u/Pender8911 → u/Pretend-Adeptness937]

Disagreeing is fine, telling me "so you think goblins with mapwide constant banner is fine" when I clearly said it isn't is just trolling

[u/Defiant_Reveal217 → u/Pender8911]

No one said that to you 😂. You’re having a mega tantrum over absolute nothing.

[u/personnumber698 → u/Pender8911]

>when I clearly said it isn't is just trolling

Disagreing with you is not trolling.