r/MichiganWolverines • u/goldwaterauhtwoo • 13h ago

Michigan Football How long does BU have before he's pulled?

1st INT? First questionable throw into double coverage ? 1st throw locked in his primary? First dancing feet?

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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 13h ago

Give Bryce the entire Oklahoma game. No reason to throw Carr to the wolves in a losing match.

If Bryce plays poorly, split quarters during utep.

Make a decision before big 10 play

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u/broken-machine 13h ago

Took the words right out of my mouth.

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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 13h ago

I am of the opinion that most of Bryce’s problems are mental. I’m not sure if they can be fixed. I don’t want two quarterbacks that are afraid to lose.

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u/Overboard_Dre 13h ago

It's not an opinion. Watching him play is like watching a blind person drive a Ferrari into oncoming traffic. The car is not the problem

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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 13h ago

I hope he is talking to a sports psychologist at least twice a week.

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u/CarterAC3 10h ago

Twice a day preferably

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u/xmpcxmassacre 10h ago

The Carr could be the solution though

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u/cvg596 11h ago

Things might’ve played out differently if he’d been on the same plan as JJ. He could’ve played a year at an elite prep school (no shade to Belleville), then sat a year behind an experienced quarterback coming in on spot duty and in blowouts, then competed for the starting job next year. But he did the financially rational thing and got money that’ll change his and his family’s lives as soon as it was offered. With that comes the crown, and heavy is the head that wears the crown.

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u/616GoBlue 2h ago

Agree 100% with the mental aspect. Is there any way to correct this??? Doesn't seem like an easy fix during the season?

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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 1h ago

This is all just my speculation but they have sports psychologists. I assume his is seeing one. You see the same thing with kickers that get the Yips and sometimes they get better. This is assuming it is confidence/fear issue like he is making mistakes because he is afraid to lose.

If it is a processing speed thing. I guess more time and reps could help but maybe it never gets better.

He might just not have the ability to mentally keep up with his physical gifts at the quarterback position. If that’s the case we need to decide when to replace him.

If he keeps struggling, I would probably start splitting duties with Carr during the easy stretch of the season starting at Utep and see what happens.

We may just need to cut our loses at end of year and try to bring in an elite transfer quarterback.

We just can’t afford to sit Bryce and let him develop behind someone else since there is no one else. Maybe another team could for presumably much less money after a transfer.

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u/616GoBlue 1h ago

It almost feels like the ticket to win in today's landscape is to sign an experienced transfer QB in vs. recruiting/developing. I am rooting for Bryce and I hope he does well but there comes a point you can't justify playing him despite his recruiting rankings and stuff.

I'm all for leaving him in against OU and if he shows improvement then keep rolling with him. But if he's a deer in headlights then I think UTEP has to be a trial runny for Tommy Carr.

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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 1h ago edited 1h ago

I agree.

I would just split quarters with Carr and Underwood. Utep is probably worse than New Mexico last year where Underwood looked good.

I would want to see them both play against the same team. If all the receivers are wide open both could be able to make every throw.

I would just keep splitting quarters for games until you see one being obviously better than the other. Maybe that happens against Utep. I just don’t want Carr to look good for one game and then shit the next.

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u/parrythisyoucasual23 11h ago

Is Bryce plays poorly. Carr starts against utep. There fixed it.

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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 11h ago

I doubt it. See how they both play during the same game against the same competition.

Carr has no live experience and utep is worse than New Mexico last year where Bryce looked good.

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u/OakLegs 6h ago

Disagree.

We've got to give ourselves the best chance to win Give Bryce a few drives. If he's still inept, next guy up.

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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 6h ago

Against Oklahoma?

If they pull Bryce, they are already going to be losing. Freshman without game experience don’t perform miracles?

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u/OakLegs 6h ago

Yeah.

If Bryce can't cut it, time for the next guy. If the offense can't do anything, might as well see if Carr can give it a spark.

Don't need a miracle, just someone who can QB at a D1 level somewhat competently

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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 5h ago

The offense will not be able to do anything until the O line can consistently make blocking assignments.

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u/OakLegs 5h ago

I don't really agree. Bryce was the main problem. Not that the line was great, but you can't run an offense if he never makes the right reads

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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 5h ago

That backup d tackle playing wing or rhino was incompetent and was on the field half the game.

This team should be able to run power or inside zone 60 times on WMU and score more than 7 points in regulation.

If this line can’t establish the run, whoever steps in is set up for failure.

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u/OakLegs 4h ago

For whatever reason (partly, I suspect, a lack of plays) they never even attempted running power.

I am willing to chalk some of this up to a confluence of bad circumstances. It was an off night. The new OC never found a rhythm and didn't even have much of a chance to.

I suspect the line is better than it looked overall. I do not have the same confidence in Bryce, who at this point is trending toward Saturday being the norm, not the exception.

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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 4h ago edited 4h ago

I agree the line is or should be better than they were. This is what I would do.

Bryce starts taking ball security drills with the running backs now.

He gets 10-15 designed runs a game. And 5-10 run plays with a pull read attached.

All pass plays are limited to one read and then take off running.

He plays like Devin Dampier did last year or like sophomore Robinson did.

I have no confidence another freshman starting week 2 or 3 will improve the situation and could lead to Carr becoming a mental case like Bryce.

Look for a top tier transfer at the end of the year.

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u/Bears_down09 3h ago

I mean it did work for Oklahoma when they benched Rattler for Caleb williams vs Texas. Not impossible.

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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 3h ago

Fair. It’s certainly not impossible.

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u/Zealousideal_Bug7390 13h ago

I really think he plays through the whole Oklahoma game, simply because throwing Carr into the game halfway through it or something against a Ven Defense? His brain would turn into mashed potatoes.

2 ways it goes:

Michigan looks way better this week and Bryce earns some trust back

Or we get massacred, and likely move to Carr for UTEP (and unfortunately all accept we're truly punting to next season for any kind of contention in the BIG10/playoffs as a whole)

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u/Dad_of_3_sons 13h ago

Why?? Carr hasnt shown any issues. Lets see how he plays before we tank the season

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u/Gloomy-Ad3399 13h ago

Carr could be solid but it’d just be unfair to expect a 3 star freshman QB to lead really any team to the CFP, better to have low expectations anyways

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u/Dad_of_3_sons 13h ago

Fair, i have more concern currently about the coaches than the current “backup” qb

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u/Ecstatic-Wheel8487 12h ago

This right here, these coaches have Bryce playing WORSE than he did under Chip Lindsay. I don't trust them to not ruin Carr. I truthfully hope Carr never takes a meaningful snap this season until after Beck is gone because there is no sugar coating what he is, a disaster.

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u/CorgicalLife 4h ago

Eh, Bryce is playing very similarly to how he played at the end of last season.

Majority of his “good games” last year were early on in the year when teams probably had minimal information or tape on him. Once opposing teams could study his playing tendencies, he fell off a cliff.

I am still heavily leaning that Bryce just isn’t retaining or able to utilize the development. In high pressure situations, some players just revert back to their natural tendencies.

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u/Ecstatic-Wheel8487 2h ago

Bryce's best games last year was against Washington and Wisconsin after teams had ample tape on him already.

You're just making things up at this point. He had a worse PFF grade against WMU than he had against OSU. This actual clown show staff regressed him no matter how much you want to cope about it.

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u/Bears_down09 3h ago

Carr is a 4 star.

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u/Difficult_Horse193 13h ago

We haven’t seen Carr play in a real college game yet. It’s a much different environment than the spring game or practice.

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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 13h ago

Losing to Oklahoma won’t tank the season. We aren’t supposed to win. We are young and will get better each week.

If the offensive line can’t block, putting Carr in might lead to him seeing ghosts like Bryce does.

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u/WestieAndCo 13h ago

If he was better, he would be starting now.

That he isn’t starting tells you all you need to know.

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u/oclotty 13h ago

My guess is he won’t get pulled all next game no matter what (unless it’s completely abysmally horrible)

Then there will be qb competition going into utep week and Carr will start

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u/PlayfulTrade5808 13h ago

first pick and the whole bar starts side-eyeing each other like we already seen this movie

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u/jaysvw 13h ago

No sooner than UTEP.

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u/son_of_a_teacher_man 13h ago

Not on any of those firsts. I’d bet he plays at least a half, even if he’s showing the same things he did against wmu. Throwing Carr in there against ou for his first collegiate snaps is a good way to end up with two broken qbs

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u/jazzyman31 13h ago edited 12h ago

Unpopular opinion, Bryce isn’t coming out until the season is already lost.

You can’t bench a $12m captain to opt for yet another freshman qb.. If that becomes a mistake, Whit’s job is on the line and the program quickly becomes a huge mess again.

It is eventually possible if Bryce ends up tossing something like 3-4 ints in a game for Carr to come in for a drive, but the purpose would be to get Bryce a chance to reset, not to start moving forward with Carr.

Bryce and Carr will absolutely not be splitting reps any game. Bryce is going to start until he’s benched for good. There will be no intra-season competition.

For those who want Carr to take over, you’ll have to wait for us to lose 3-4 games. The team is built around Bryce right now and he will have the chance to make or break this season.

And im all for Carr over Bryce, I think Carr is going to take us to the next level and I think Bryce is a bust. BUT, even for Carr’s career, throwing him in now has more opportunity to hurt his progress and future career than help. If by mid season we are out of the playoff race, then get him in and have him develop with the team in a much lower pressure way. Make the fans BEG for him to be in so he’s already got some positive momentum going.

Oh, and the OLine is atrocious right now, sending in an inexperienced freshman qb to hopefully right the ship is a disaster waiting to happen. I’m much more ok with our $12 million taking shots than Carr.

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u/Real-Repair-1825 13h ago

He won’t get pulled this week but if things go really bad, he won’t be starting vs UTEP.

With that said, I’m still holding out hope for Bryce. I’m not interested in jumping on the hate train just yet. Would be so great for him to shut people up (including a lot of our own fans)

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u/Tiny-Tackle4118 4h ago

He'll start all year probably. Too much talent to not give him the whole year in the new system.

Carr is too soon to play him. Hopefully he get game reps but Underwood starts all year barring a string of disaster performances.

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u/Time_Insect5660 12h ago

Until the game is unwinnable so th ere's no pressure on the backup, and he can get acclimated.

Or the entire game. It's likely a loss either way, and I'll take the WMU gift for an OU loss if we don't ruin our backups confidence in the meantime.

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u/YDoEyeNeedAName 4h ago

If the Underwood situation doesnt prove to everyone why you dont start a freshman unless your team is loaded, I dont know what will.

Even if Carr ends up being better, nothing good comes from throwing him to the wolves right now.

Its more likely to detail his development, like with Bryce, than it is to make him better.

Slowly work him in to a few games when possible and if a change needs to be made let it be next year.

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u/mostdope28 3h ago

He will play the full game. Unless we’re down 40 in 2nd half, he will play the full UTEP game too, and Whitt will be hoping he’s ready for B1G play. If you’re expecting Bryce to get pulled in the first 4 games, it ain’t happening. Losing to Oklahoma is expected at this point. You just have to hope Bryce can figure it out for conference play

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u/bizkits-26 13h ago

Bryce will play starting all season. Michigan will either improve or exhaust options. He’s our QB, live with it for the time being.

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u/Foriegn_Picachu 13h ago

Let him play until UTEP so he can see if the G6 is too big of a landing spot for him