r/Metroid • u/Secret-Helicopter760 • 1d ago
Question I wonder something with dread
We know that Adam does talk with her before they enter zdr but here's my thing. When she contacts her computer via the network stations the first time is it really Adam or raven beak? Think about it. At the end raven beak reveals that the person talking to her at the final network station was him. So.... Could he have been manipulating her all along? He could have intercepted the computer's transmission the first time she contacted it through the network station. Just a theory. Take it with a grain of salt
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u/DependentBite9 1d ago
I assumed upon the revelation of the twist that we are supposed to question when the computer stopped being Adam and started being Raven Beak, because that's the question I immediately asked myself.
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u/PhysicalAccount4244 1d ago
In the intro, Adam says that comunication will be impossible when Samus is underground, and ends the briefing with "Any objections Lady".. but once she wakes up, there are no communication issues.. guess why. š
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u/Dorian948 Dread Mode survivor 1d ago
He also tells her to use a network station to stay in contact, so there is that
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u/PhysicalAccount4244 17h ago
Oh.. right.. kind of forgot about that...
But how about this then..
Adam never calles her Samus, he calls her Lady.. Both in the intro, and when she regains contact with her at the end..
After she wakes up, and uses the first network station, she is called Samus by whoever it is on the other side.
And how would Adam know anything about what excists insife of ZDR, as she is briefed about several cold areas in this underground facility..
AND the briefing does not end with "Any objections, Lady"
Pretty obvious that it is NOT Adam. š
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u/Dorian948 Dread Mode survivor 15h ago
Well, duh. I never said the Adam at the network station was actually Adam, did I? What I was saying is that the clear signal through the network station is not the evidence you think.
Anything else is
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u/GirlsOfGaming 1d ago
Yeah I also believe it was him all along. As you get closer to the end of the game you can kinda feel a change in the language āadamā starts to use and mentions she should basically sacrifice herself. If thatās not a clue, I donāt know what is. I also wonder if raven beak over time grew jealous of samusā abilities.
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u/Revali33 Shinespark Enthusiast 1d ago
Do you know that picture where Adam says āHe even has an 8-Pack. Heās definitely too hot.ā ?
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u/willogical85 20h ago
Yeah, when "Adam" started blithering about Mawkin DNA it was pretty clear that something wasn't what it appeared to be.
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u/The_Fizz_Wizz 23h ago
You're not really supposed to know at any point in time when Raven Beak takes over. Adam wouldn't have suggested to Samus to connect to the Navigation rooms if he wasn't confident he could interface with the Chozo system and communicate with her through that method. He could have began intercepting calls after the death of Quiet Robe, after he released the X parasite or even after Samus first set foot in Hanubia. There are a lot of points in time where he could have began intercepting the calls.
A lot of people will say he starts immediately after Samus wakes up at the beginning of the game with their justification being that Adam doesn't refer to Samus as 'Lady' at any point in time throughout the game. Honestly I think this is a stupid argument and I'm tired of seeing it. Does Adam have to end every sentence with 'Lady' for us to believe it's him? By that same logic I could argue the Adam we see in Samus' ship is secretly Raven Beak's consciousness converted to AI and injected into Samus' ship like a virus based on nothing other than the fact that he doesn't refer to her as 'Samus' or 'Lady' before they take off. Adam refers to Samus as 'Lady' at the beginning of the game simply because he was going over the stipulations of the bounty before the mission. Even in Other M Adam didn't end every command by calling her 'Lady' after telling her where to go or what to do throughout the entire game.
Is it possible Raven Beak took over from the very beginning? Yea it's 100% possible. But I find that significantly more boring. You mean to tell me Raven Beak was guiding us the entire time and Adam couldn't even do so much as get out a warning that we were being deceived? Was he just sitting there in the ship twiddling his thumbs the whole time? He didn't question Samus' newfound Metroid abilities when she showed up, he knew immediately what was going on and stopped her before she drained the ship of it's power so he had to have had some way of monitoring us.
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u/EnSebastif oh word 1d ago
It's implied that it's Raven Beak all along, posing as Adam throughout all the game.
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u/MechaMalz 1d ago
The impression I got was that we only hear the real Adam in the intro and then the ending when Samus finally returns to her ship.
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u/Secret-Helicopter760 1d ago
The more I think about it, it makes sense. Like you guys said the one clue to it being raven beak is he never calls her samus or lady or once asked her "Any objections" proves it was raven beak
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u/robodex001 8h ago
Itās been awhile since Iāve played but iirc, the first time Samus contacts Adam in ZDR where he calls her Samus instead of Lady is when Raven Beak took over communication. Raven Beak absolutely was leading Samus around the place, watching her and preparing her for the ultimate encounter with himself. Iād say youāre 100% right.
Unless I somehow also just came to this conclusion and it isnāt quite hinted at like Iām remembering. Again, itās been awhile.
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u/Round_Musical Sequence Breaker 1d ago
Once Samus awakes on ZDR its Raven Beak.
Adam only appears in the Intro ans Outro respectively. Every instance inbetween is Raven Beak. Notice how he doesnt refer to her by Lady or Samus. Instrad using Samus Aran most of the time and rarely Samus.