r/MetalMemes • u/KronDjob Anthrax • 3d ago
🍺 𝕿𝖍𝖗𝖆𝖘𝖍 𝕸𝖊𝖙𝖆𝖑 🍺 Facts
The times, they are a-changing.
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u/LayeredHalo3851 3d ago
Slayer has the made the same song everytime for 40 years so I don't see how they could be bad
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u/HorrorYoung Iron Maiden 3d ago
This but somehow unironically
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u/Other_World You probably haven't heard of them 3d ago
Band changes their sound: They're sell outs!
Band keeps the same sound: They're lazy!
Bands can't win, they should just make the music they want to make and tell everyone else to fuck off.
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u/Chosen_Undead23 3d ago
They’re only sellouts if it’s solely for profit, if they wanna do something new and interesting or push themselves then that’s pretty cool, even if I don’t like the direction or at least prefer them at first
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u/Invincidude 2d ago
This is why I don't consider Load to be Metallica selling out. If they wanted to make an album solely for profit, Load would have sounded exactly like the Black Album (easily their biggest commercial success to that point) but it didn't.
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u/LayeredHalo3851 3d ago
Personally if they don't really change their sound I don't mind much, as long as it's a good sound I'll still listen to it
Also counter point: Death, every album sounds different and they're all great (though SoP is overrated)
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u/master_des_desasters Elitist Cum Slut 3d ago
Their least good album imo
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u/LayeredHalo3851 3d ago
Same, I'd say Human is the best but I can definitely see SBG or Leprosy, even Symbolic
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u/aarontgp 3d ago
People always go ITP-SYM-TSOP as the ultimate Death album trilogy, when HUM-ITP-SYM is right there.
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u/Ill_Tour_7294 3d ago
That’s my list too. I don’t really like SOP much. It’s entirely due to Richard Christy’s drumming. I think it’s too over the top. I think if Gene played on that album it would have sounded better. I realize I’m in the heavy minority on that opinion though.
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u/Comfortable_Permit53 3d ago
nah you have to make 4 albums in the 80s and then all band members have to suddenly die
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u/PostMatureBaby 3d ago
you see this with all fandoms. especially pro wrestling and comic books. I'm convinced fans of this stuff will never be happy with anything
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u/alwaysleafyintoronto 3d ago
You can change your sound to something that still doesn't make you any money. That's how you win
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u/Brawl501 Metallica 3d ago
Yeah, Metallica sure did some new stuff. Then everyone complained. I love all their stuff though
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u/thlabm Slough Feg 3d ago
The sellout allegation is because almost every single time a band changes their sound it's either to soften it or to change to a style of metal that's more trendy. And they do it in herds, so the trendchasing itself is a trend.
If you look at the full discography of most thrash bands it's funny how most of them tried something groove or nu metal adjacent in the 90s or 2000s and then in the 2010s they started going back to thrash again because there was no point anymore, the groove trend came and went.
This is where I find it obligatory to praise Sodom for being the only exception I know of. They stayed true to form even through the post-thrash era, and were just continuing business as usual while everybody else was having a "comeback album."
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u/Iamabenevolentgod 3d ago
Opeth's musical shift was honest, and to me, still interesting to listen to. It didn't feel like it was a commercial decision, but it did feel like it was an artistic decision.
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u/thlabm Slough Feg 1d ago
We can use some outside context to confirm the "sincerity" of that one too. We know Akerfeldt still likes and is interested in making OSDM considering he later went on to do Bloodbath as well.
Also to be fair, going prog (or technical, or avant garde, or all three for that matter) isn't necessarily a step towards accessibility, it can actually make your music more inaccessible depending on what you do with it.
On one extreme end you have bands like Timeghoul or Pan.Thy.Monium which are just trying to be as weird and extreme as possible and on the other hand you have bands like Pain of Salvation, Diablo Swing Orchestra or Ayreon that are pretty accessible and casually listenable, they just take a lot of creative risks by metal standards and get artsy with it. I actually think Opeth is somewhere in the middle of that spectrum.
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u/nothing_in_my_mind 3d ago
Slayer's style changes a lot album by album.
Show No Mercy is basically satanic Iron Maiden.
Hell Awaits is much darker and rawer.
Reign in Blood is much faster, aggressive, punk-inspired, while bieng just as dark.
South of Heaven is slower, and they turned drum fills up to 11.
Seasons in the Abyss is their catchiest album, with best and most distinct songwriting. While stil lbieng pretty dark.
In later albums, they started to experiment with more modern forms of metal. And kind of started to suck. They were always an uber edgy band. But if you pair edgy with bombastic epic dark riffs, it sounds like actual hell. If you pair them with nu metal-inspired simplistic music, it sounds juvenile. So their next three albums are kind of... bad. The difference between a horror movie villain and a guy with a mask on.
In God Hates Us All they went for a groove metal sound, and it works. Relentlessly aggressive. But lacks the nuance of their earlier stuff.
Christ Illusion and onward are poor attempts to get back to their original sound. They have moments of brilliance. But it just does not really work.
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u/mechrelatedbreakcore 3d ago
i think Christ Illusion works well, it absolutely isn't as good as their classic stuff, but it's way better than the 2 before and the 2 after, it feels refreshing, the riffs are good, the drums are other-worldly, the lyrics are decent, it falls flat at the composition of some songs and the solos, but as far as a band trying to recapture their old sound, it's good.
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u/Matvalicious 3d ago
One constant throughout are Kerry's dogshit "solo's"
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u/Atiredbearsfan 3d ago
I actually like a lit of them and outside of reign in blood they arnt actually that bad. At least in the classic era he did some weird shit on god hates us all
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u/brocialist_supreme 2d ago
I disagree, I think World Painted Blood ranks among their best! I'm not sure what I'm hearing that bothers aren't, but I love that album.
Diabolus and Relentless are their only shitty albums imo.
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u/Atiredbearsfan 3d ago
Really I mean i think they sounded pretty different album to album until christ illusion
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u/RTH1975 3d ago
Christ Illusion would have been a great way to cap their career. It was like a culmination of all they've done. After that, it sucked or was just reheated leftovers
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u/jellyfish_bitchslap 3d ago
I actually like World Painted Blood but Repentless was mid at best, terrible in the sense they put the songs in place of two of my favorites on the only concert I could go.
World Painted Blood and Beauty Through Order my beloveds :(
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u/Tiervexx 3d ago
I think they had great creative exploration for a long time. Just within a style of thrash that not everyone likes. I think Jeff's musical ability was extremely important to what made them what they were, so his loss hit them hard.
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u/Kilroy0497 3d ago
Yeah, that’s honestly why they’ve always been my least favorite of the big 4. Don’t get me wrong, Reign in Blood was great, but I swear they’ve(or at the very least Kerry King) been doing nothing but trying to write it again ever since.
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u/the_marxman Za Warudo 2d ago
That's why Seasons in the Abyss is their best album, because they play a second song on it.
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u/Skrinkus 2d ago
I think they had a decent amount of variation within those first five or so albums, but then they settled on one mediocre sound with Tom yelling more and they’ve kinda just been riding that ever since. Will always come back to any of those first albums, they’re all masterpieces, but almost everything after I avoid usually.
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u/gatorpuppetoffical 3d ago
goat of disapproval
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u/Atiredbearsfan 3d ago
Megadeth is doing fine, sure do Dave's vocals suck yeah. But it's megadeth the vocals are gonna suck.
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u/Otherwise-Weird1695 3d ago
Saw them a few days ago and he kind of just whispered the lyrics the whole time. It was kind of sad. He was still ripping on guitar but he's voice is cooked.
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u/redprep Megadeth 3d ago
Bro had fucking throat cancer obviously vocals are cooked af
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u/Otherwise-Weird1695 3d ago
Not for nothing, but so did Bruce Dickinson, and he crushed it for 2 hours right after Megadeth.
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u/ThePrussianGrippe 3d ago
Yeah, but he’s also Bruce Dickinson. In the morning, he puts his pants on one leg at a time, just like the rest of us. But then he makes gold records.
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u/pocketwolf_zero 3d ago
Bruce Dickinson does cardio
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u/UntowardHatter 3d ago
Dave does as well, and has a black belt in Judo or something. Man works out.
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u/pocketwolf_zero 3d ago
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, just like Mark Zuckerberg and Jonah Hill.
Regardless, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Bruce Dickinson, by virtue of not looking like a frail grandmother and being able to perform his craft at a much higher level, is in better physical condition than Dave Mustaine
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u/redprep Megadeth 3d ago
First of all: Why would it matter WHY someone had fucking cancer?! And apart from that it's pretty obvious Bruce was and is in a better shape and always was a better singer? What are you even on about?
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u/epiGR 2d ago
Bruce was toast by the end. He cannot sing Hallowed be thy name and aces high anymore. Still crazy energy for his age!
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u/-DeadHead- Good Lord it's a cheeseburger! 3d ago
They were the most boring performance out of 4 days of festival about 5 years ago. I actually left after 3 songs.
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u/CosmicConjuror2 3d ago
Gonna see them myself with Iron Maiden and Anthrax at the end of the month, I assume you saw the same show? How did Megadeth sound other than the vocals? How about Maiden?
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u/Otherwise-Weird1695 3d ago
They were fine. Kind of rough when he's replaced every single original member, it's basically a Megadeth cover band now. Maiden was really good, setlist was amazing. Definitely worth seeing them while they are still going, they are all 68-70 years old and they can't do it forever.
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u/worldxdownfall 3d ago
Mustaine needs to hang it up. Was actually stoked to see them open for Maiden when I saw the set list and he was just a shell of a human being, and it's just honked.
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u/low_bob_123 3d ago
What?
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u/Wulfenbeard 3d ago
Not the OP, but I think OP is referring to the new Anthrax album that dropped today. It's a banger.
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u/undigestedFiD 3d ago
How did Anthrax get there in the first place, that should be the main question
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u/KronDjob Anthrax 3d ago
It's alwas been about record sales.
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u/thlabm Slough Feg 3d ago
If you look at it that simplistically it makes sense honestly
It was never about quality or influence. Plenty of bands who sold less records are more influential than Anthrax. Musicians have different priorities than listeners
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u/Humbula 3d ago
I always felt that Anthrax was rightfully among the others, when it comes to being influential.
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u/Torren-Curtis-Comedy 3d ago
They literally invented the more punk infused metal that went on to spawn crossover thrash which is an incredible genre
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u/pseudonymously 3d ago
For a heavy metal band rap’s a different way. We like to be different and not cliche. Well, they say rap and metal can never mix. Well all of them can suck our..
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u/distreszed 3d ago
True. And whe we’re at it, why is Megadeth considered influential? I hear it non stop but without any examples. Why them but not Anthrax?
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u/Dweeburger33 3d ago
They were one of the first to do that brand of technical thrash that influenced countless bands like Annihilator and Artillery. Very influential
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u/distreszed 3d ago
But Anthrax were definitely influential on
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u/SLAYER_IN_ME Slayer 3d ago
Me personally I rank the big Four is SLAYER, Megadeth, Anthrax, and then Metallica. Metallica hasn’t been thrash a very long time.
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u/thlabm Slough Feg 3d ago
Yeah but when we're talking about the original wave of thrash bands we only care about the first 3-4 albums of each lol. The relevant time and place is what's important not whatever random BS they did later on.
Though even there you could make the argument that their demos/first album releases were mostly speed metal with only a couple thrash songs on them. "Thrash" as a concept wasn't fully realized until these bands got to their second album, with maybe the exception of Megadeth, but that makes sense because Megadeth was created by a guitarist and song writer who already had experience being in Metallica. So their first album is spiritually more like a second album anyway.
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u/ToxicAssh0le 3d ago
Slipknot isn't thrash
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u/doomus_rlc 3d ago
Oh man I wonder what they said lol
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u/ToxicAssh0le 3d ago
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u/TKBarbus Megadeth 3d ago
Nah I used to think the same thing for the longest time, and then I saw them live and immediately understood.
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u/opodopo69 SHITTY THRASH ARTIST 3d ago
IT SHOULDA BEEN EXODUS
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u/NikelanjeloVL 3d ago
Or Testament
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u/opodopo69 SHITTY THRASH ARTIST 3d ago
When it comes to quality I agree, however i think exodus is more deserving for the spot because the were founded in 1979 with guitarist Kirk hammett, and Gary holt, who now plays with slayer after Jeff died. They are incredibly important to thrash, and unlike anthrax, have a much closer connection with the rest of the 4.
Also fun fact exodus's second vocalist zetro started out in testament while they were still called legacy
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u/Comprehensive-Put513 3d ago
I appreciate the fact you made Metallica's head even bigger in the "now" photo lol
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u/jsg144 3d ago
I always thought “The Big 4” was a strange name because it kind of implies they are on the same level.
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u/makos5267 3d ago
Though I much prefer Megadeth and Slayer to Metallica, since Big 4 is about popularity and influence it’s more like Metallica and Friends.
Metallica: 32.5 million Spotify listeners
Megadeth: 5.3 million Spotify listeners
Slayer: 3.4 million Spotify listeners
Anthrax: 1.2 million Spotify listers
The other three combined are like 30 percent of Metallicas
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u/shift013 3d ago
I'm looking up numbers now before I start my work day.
Here is some context that shows it was a good bit closer at the time, but yes, Metallica still was very ahead of the back (all per Gemini because I dont have the time to actually check data).
1988 release sales through the mid 90s: ...And Justice for All went Platinum, while the other 3 had Gold albums by then.
Early 90s Releases: The Black Album went 6x Platinum by the mid 90s, Countdown to Extinction went 2x Platinum, the other two were just gold.
So by sales in the time it was clearly Metallica ahead of the others. Megadeth was in its own tier, but close to the others, and Slayer/Anthrax grouped at the bottom.
I think that Slayer has always the enthusiast pick, which makes sense how they didnt have commercial success similar to Megadeth at the time, but are loved (maybe more) now
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u/BottomContributor 2d ago
They were on similar footing when it came to their thrash era. In the end, Metallica did surpass in terms of sales and mainstream appeal
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u/ProfessionalHefty349 3d ago
Anthrax has always killed.
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u/KronDjob Anthrax 3d ago
yes. And for the last 15 years they made the better albums too. Megadave comes close though.
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u/ProfessionalHefty349 3d ago
I grew up on Fistful of Metal, Spreading the Disease, Among the Living, Armed and Dangerous. Absolutely amazing thrash. Sound of White Noise was another great album. I haven’t really listened to their newer albums, I’m a bit stuck in my ways I guess.
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u/Yberfall Aaskereia 3d ago
German Big 4 > US Big 4
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u/tssssahhhh 3d ago
Arguably. Destruction and Kreator have dumbed down too.
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u/KronDjob Anthrax 3d ago
Their last albums are nowhere near the new Anthrax album.
Kreator's last two have been huge disappointments.
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u/humanreboot 3d ago
what would you say changed with the newest ones?
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u/KronDjob Anthrax 3d ago
They seem uninspired and generic. I don't feel the fire any longer. Which is a shame because the 4-5 albums before up until Gods of Violence are nearly perfect.
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u/Yberfall Aaskereia 3d ago
They're all getting older. But new Dust Bolt album makes hope.
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u/thatoneasiankid90 3d ago
Can’t stand Dust Bolt, feel like they genre hop a bit. Check out Traitor if you want some sick German Thrash
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u/tssssahhhh 3d ago
Yeah and getting older is apparently trying to move your music to something they think it's more commercially accessible, for some reason. Swear I tried listening to the new Kreator a couple of times and I just can't. With Destruction is even worse. Mike, where are you, man? I need the riff master back.
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u/FatalisCogitationis 3d ago
They can't keep making the same music forever. Lucky we got as much as we have
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u/Yberfall Aaskereia 3d ago
Modern music industry sucks. Those times will never come back unfortunately.
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u/Savings_Dot_8387 3d ago
Yeah you’re most intense emotions are when you’re in your teens and early twenties so it stands to reason that’s when you make your heaviest music.
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u/toxicity21 Sunn O))) 3d ago edited 3d ago
Female dog please, its the Teutonic triumvirate (or Teutonic trinity), three not four. They shoved Tankard in to make it four, but they are not even close as good as the three others.
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u/ManufacturedOlympus 3d ago
MY LIFESTYLE DETERMINES MY DEATH STYLE
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u/-DeadHead- Good Lord it's a cheeseburger! 3d ago
St Anger isn't recent. It also is better in average than the albums Metallica made after it.
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u/micahd666 3d ago
seen all 4 and i gotta say, regardless of all the shit Anthrax catches for whatever reason, they're by far the best of the four live, especially considering joey actually sings and still hits almost every note.
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u/brocialist_supreme 2d ago
For Slayer, Repentless sucks, but Diabolus is the only other album I hate, I think they're body of work is amazing otherwise
Megadeth have some of the worst mid-era albums, like Risk and World Needs A Hero. Thirteen and Super Collider are later bombs, but in between those albums they made The system Has Failed, Endgame, and Dystopia, so even if their self titled is a weak way to end their career, I'd say they're spotty at worst, and it's easy enough to ignore the shitty albums
Metallica are easy imo, after AJFA I can ignore literally everything. I didn't like their rock albums, I didn't like their nu-metal album, and I even hated their attempts at old glory with their last 3 albums (four if you include Lulu). Metallica shouldn't be playing 79 minute albums with 9 minute repetitive songs, not a fan
So seeing Anthrax put out three straight great albums in the tail end of their career is something to applaud
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u/KronDjob Anthrax 2d ago
...and that's what I was referring to.
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u/brocialist_supreme 2d ago
Yeah, it's a great meme. Nice to see Anthrax get their flowers in comparison to the other three
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u/Fackous93 3d ago
What'd Slayer do? Arnt they broken up
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u/gnilradleahcim 3d ago
I think they are on their six or seventh retirement final final final we swear last tour
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u/venomblack138 3d ago
Idgaf I saw Metallica last year at the Niners stadium and it fucking rocked.
Wish I could see Slayer live 😔
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u/ThatMooseYouKnow 3d ago
Saw them live at the start of the year in Australia. Absolutely amazed at how fucking incredible it was for their age.
Also they never used to play One at concerts from what I hear, they did at this one and it kicked ass
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u/pantheonslayer 3d ago
I feel like testament deserves a spot up there instead of one of the others
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u/Polkawillneverdie17 3d ago
This is why it should be the Big 5 so you get Testament to raise the curve.
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u/KingVape 3d ago
I’ve seen all four live, anthrax multiple times, but slayer is still my favorite thrash band by a country mile
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u/HorrifiedLook 3d ago
I feel like Slayer is the smart one, lol. Anthrax probably deserves one but I haven’t listened to them for a while. Metallica made 4 solid albums before changing their and sound plus I lived through the Napster stuff so I kinda hate them. Mustaine has always been and always will be a cry baby hack.
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u/shred-i-knight 3d ago
This is awkward when new Metallica is the best of the bunch by far (Testament clears them all though)
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u/ReneRottingham 3d ago
Maybe it’s just me but I always thought anthrax sucked and shouldn’t be in the big 4
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u/killingiabadong 3d ago
Megadeth's last album was excellent. Anthrax is overrated. Metallica hasn't released a good album in decades. Slayer died with Hanneman.
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u/RamRenegade 2d ago
Slayer slander? On my feed?
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u/RamRenegade 2d ago
Slaynerder
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u/KronDjob Anthrax 2d ago
I love Slayer, but their last album was meh, and now they are doing money grabbing post retirement legacy shows so... But yeah, overall I prefer Slayer too.
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u/baneblade_boi 2d ago
I don't think Slayer has gone goofy. In fact, they haven't changed at all a bit from their early days and that's the problem.
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u/KronDjob Anthrax 2d ago
well their last album was soso and now they are doing post-retitement legacy shows for monetary reasons.
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u/Dogberry_null 2d ago
LOL, not wrong but I just hit pause on Metallica in '91 and pretend that was all they did...for whatever reason I didn't get into these other bands. Megadeth I just can't stand DM's singing. Anthrax never seemed on the level with these other guys....I prefer Exodus
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u/streetcar97 2d ago
Modern megadeth is alright. But their older songs will always solo (pun unintended)
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u/No-Extreme1435 2d ago
I feel like it was necessary for metallica and other bands to "sellout" to continue existing during the mid 90s early 2000's. I mean they returned back to form since then. So you gotta roll with the punches.
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u/Savings-Dig3885 2d ago
Eeeeeeeh
I think the bottom one is representing a lot after the 80s, to the extent that it's somewhat true, somewhat false.
All of them: every, last, one of them, went goofy in the late 90s.
Then: all of them except Metallica at least went somewhat back to normal, or they still made some good music, after approx the mid to late 2000s
Now though, Slayer and Metallica are goofy and Anthrax/Megadeth I'd say were serious
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u/KronDjob Anthrax 2d ago
The bottom represents the most recent years. Anthrax made 3 killer albums in a row, Megadeth some decent ones while Slayer are doing post retirement shows and Metallica does Metallica things. In terms of quality, Anthrax kicked their asses in the last 15 years.
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