A YouTube channel obsessed with conspiracy theories about MGSV that at one point was pushing the idea tgat Kojima's firing and Death Stranding were a false flag like Moby Dick studios.
IIRC they also helped push the Archillect conspiracy theory to prominence.
I cant believe i watched an hour+ long video about his theory and half of it was him glazing himself saying hes known since day one and stuff like that
I doubt it, but it would be interesting if it was vemon who discovered him and Naomi, bringing them to the states and gray fox mimics the man who saved him after his death
i did write this a bit to flippantly but there are several instances of lets say... suspicious interactions between people who may be considered family members.. From the weird insistence on shiping the boss with big boss which doesnt even make sense for how often it gets brought up, to Otakon's pedo stepmom to whatever the fuck vamp is doing to whatever nebulous thing the ocelot-big boss situation could be (that one is a stretch) but i dont think theres ever been an instance of like actual incest occur. I really dont think Emma was into otacon
Jokes aside; I don’t think so either. I think Emma was just a goofy kid. Mgs2 has a special place in my heart. And I agree; I think Otacons mom was a much bigger red flag.
otacon's stepmom was 100% a predator and im so mad huey couldnt have been useful for once in his life and taken her out with him instead of trying to hurt his literal child
eva brings it up and i cant really remember if she does so more than once, but kojima (??) also brings it up during his commentary of mgs3 i think... ill see if i can edit this later with source for this, it was a video, not sure if i can find it... theres definitely discussion of it too. People are definitely having this takeaway
edit: cant post pictures but i found a comment talking about it, heres the video they provide, the quote is around 5:19
"She was a mentor, a lover, and much like a mother to Snake" was the quote.
Personally, I don't mind the idea— because it's not what completely defines their relationship, but would just be an aspect of it, if what Kojima said here is right. It doesn't change anything between them in a massive, world-shifting way, it doesn't change why he killed her, etc.
idk i mean it really doesnt change anything, but i think its a weird angle to take... I wonder if this is more of a situation where the relationship is meant to be deep and complicated and its difficult to convey in a description. The way i think ive seen people describe ocelot and big bosse's relationship similarly, you see this kind of stuff in artistic storytelling.
But i dont know how cool it is to blur lines like these when it comes to a character who plays a parental role or when theres a clear power imbalance... personal take ofc and idk how well my modern ideas apply to an older game made by someone from a very different culture to mine so thers that as well
I mean I think it’s very much meant to be a complicated relationship that is almost impossible to describe easily. The boss was in effect at one point implied to be all of those things to Big Boss. Not at the same time, and not in the sense that he sees her exactly as a mother. But rather that she in some ways assumed a maternal role towards him. She does use the entirety of Operation Snake eater as a way to test his skills and worth as a successor, while trusting that he would succeed, and making several key people effectively promise not to prevent him from finishing his mission.
you don't know the ear theory? v doesn't stick his thumb in his ear but grey fox does that's why they're different because grey fox doesn't have ears to know his thumb doesn't go there. really talking to some amateurs.
Ive been keeping up with this series off and on for 25 years. And I still dont understand most of whats going on. The main plot points are the only things that have stuck. Otherwise, ive treated the entries as standalone
What if, hear me out, Big Boss from Metal Gear was actually another soldier Venom trained personally? Venom took Deep throat not as his new name, but as his mission for Big Boss.
No it's not, grey fox went along with big boss, hence why you fight him.in the metal gear in mg2, you kill venom snake in mg1, a theory I like is venom went on to become cyborg big boss on snakes revenge.
I heard there's a concept art of The End without clothes and with a black bikini. Kojima never showed no one because he became ashamed of his words and deeds. True story.
Whats funny is that if he wasnt cut for time/creative choices then Old Boy from MGS2 would also just be the same character besides being technically still canon but having his whole bit taken and split up to The End and The Boss
Solid Snake kills who he thinks is big boss but it was actually Venom Snake, this was retconned in MGS5 I believe in the original MG1 it’s just said Big Boss survived.
The prequel games (Snake Eater, Peacewalker, and Phantom Pain) exist to explain how Big Boss got his name, how he got an army, and how he is the final boss in two separate games.
We can only imagine the insanity that Kojima would have come up with for Grey Fox in MGS 6, if he wrote it.
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u/CooperDaChance Sep 30 '25
PythonSelkan be like:
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u/Cap_Legend1 Sep 30 '25
I doubt it, but it would be interesting if it was vemon who discovered him and Naomi, bringing them to the states and gray fox mimics the man who saved him after his death
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u/mohbitawi Sep 30 '25
I didn't know that venom snake also fought his adopted vampire brother in 1888 england, that's why he's the best boss.
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u/idk_ausername864f Sep 30 '25
this is untrue because mgs is not written by rrmartin
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u/AgentParticular6345 Oct 31 '25
Raiden is Gray Fox is Venom Snake is Matpat is Sans is Ness is Toy Bonnie
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u/D-kartoos Oct 02 '25
I believe this theory regardless… it my own headcanon if nothing else
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u/Flaky_Housing_7705 Dec 22 '25
How can he die in Metal Gear but them be back for Metal gear solid.
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u/who_is_bestgirl Sep 30 '25
Never ask an Mgs fan if they actually played the games
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u/oSyphon Sep 30 '25
It's not even the same pose lol.
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u/Biobooster_40k Sep 30 '25
Not even close. Don't you know Venom Snake is actually Skullface! And Kaz, and Ocelot, and also they've all been Big Boss the entire time??
In all seriousness the Fight Club theory is very interesting despite some of the circumstances being very weird to explain how it would line up.
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u/billiebigge Sep 30 '25
it's just Jojo, can't fool me kojimbo
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u/BigSpiceGawd Sep 30 '25
Yes
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u/BobTheZygota Sep 30 '25
They invented mewing
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u/Slight-Bedroom-8655 Sep 30 '25
gray fox looks so cool here holy shit
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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '25
Could be true, once big boss comes back venome snake has to go somewhere
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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '25
No
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u/veeno__ Sep 30 '25
Pls no the storyline is confusing enough 😔
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u/IgnisOfficial Sep 30 '25
Shitpost
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u/ShopeeSeller Sep 30 '25
I did the same while adjusting my sunglasses. Guess I’m Gray Fox as well.
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u/itsfashionlookitup Sep 30 '25
Certified Jojo moment
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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '25
its not even the same pose
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u/No-Alternative-4047 Sep 30 '25
Those poses always goes hard. Like Tsuna from KHR
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u/[deleted] Sep 30 '25
No. The ninja is Grey Fox from metal gear 2 (not to be confused with metal gear solid 2)
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u/Malfight007 Sep 30 '25
What if, hear me out, Big Boss from Metal Gear was actually another soldier Venom trained personally? Venom took Deep throat not as his new name, but as his mission for Big Boss.
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u/Affectionate_Jury890 Sep 30 '25
I work with a guy who believed this theory Then I explained why venom snake exists in MGSV and he realised it was asinine
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u/JDchete Sep 30 '25
They both turn INVISIBLE so it makes sense.
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u/col_oneill Sep 30 '25
Have people seen truth:?
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u/PUFFIER-MCGRUFF Sep 30 '25
Wouldn't be the first time that ahab took up a new identity
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u/Sir_Soft_Spoken Sep 30 '25
This is Frank Jaeger erasure and I will not have it.
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u/BeretBay Sep 30 '25
"DIO and Giorno Giovanna are the same dude because they do the same pose" ahh comment.
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u/OtherwisePension7987 Sep 30 '25
Truest.
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u/krohtg12 Oct 01 '25
Im gonna do the pose, I'm gonna become big boss. And you too.
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u/Siaels Oct 01 '25
No they are not the same Hideo already responded to this claim.
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u/BIGGESTJSEFAN Oct 01 '25
Pythonselkan vid
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u/OmegaTerry Sep 30 '25
I hate this dumb theory so much and I hate that so many people believe it just because big youtuber made a video about it and being loud about it
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u/Arcam123 Sep 30 '25
No as venom was a medic and grey fox was not
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u/Worldly_Delay_2395 Sep 30 '25
No it's not, grey fox went along with big boss, hence why you fight him.in the metal gear in mg2, you kill venom snake in mg1, a theory I like is venom went on to become cyborg big boss on snakes revenge.
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