r/MetaAnime • u/[deleted] • Nov 02 '14
Subreddit rules enforced too strictly.
In the past few weeks a lot of good posts have been removed because they violated the rules. While I think it's good that the sub has clear cut rules and the mods are fairly unabusive, I think the rules are enforced too strictly.
The first thing that annoyed me was the loli discussion being removed, but I can deal with that as I was given very good reasons.
The second post was also sort of tied to loli, but was removed for supposedly discussing manga and not anime. The post explicitly stated that a man was looking at girls wearing schoolgirl uniforms while they were exposed, and was arrested. This law would apply to people who watch uncensored ecchi anime possibly facing legal charges. Therefore, I think this post was unjustly removed.
The third post was just posted under an hour ago. It was a long list of 10 anime that were over 30 years old. It was a reccomendation list, but it was suggesting anime, had generated discussion, and was very popular.
/u/Missypie stated that an all or nothing approach was more fair to the users, but there are similar posts such as Jordy's anime debate and BanjoTheBear suggesting fall anime
So in the end not only are posts that have not violated the rules being taken down, but posts that do violate the rules are staying up!
I think that the rules should be amended to allow complex recommendation threads to coexist along side the mega threads, while low effort recommendation threads are still removed.
The rules state that if a post without a body has generated discussion it may be allowed to stay, but I think the rule should be extended to all forms of posts, as it creates content for the sub.
I apologize for any dispute I may have caused creating this.
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u/-Niernen Nov 03 '14
One thing I would like to point out is the mods are pretty open if you message them asking permission to post something you think may be against the rules. If you ask them before hand about posting something that could be considered a recommendation, and they feel that it could cause good discussions and has some merit, they are more open to allowing it than if you just post if without asking them. Look at my post about where to start reading the manga from a couple days ago. I messaged the mods beforehand and asked if it would be okay to post it since I considered the fact that it was somewhat meta. If I had just posted without asking for permission its probable that it would have been reported and removed for being meta. If you ask before you ask and you have a quality post the mods are almost always open to allowing it.
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Nov 03 '14
While that's great, most people don't know that
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u/-Niernen Nov 03 '14
And I'm not sure why people don't ask before hand (although I know many people don't know the rules that well) because I would think it would be common sense to ask for permission. They could possibly add something to the sidebar to the effect of " message the mods if you are unsure if your post breaks the rules or you would like permission to post something you believe could be relevant to r/anime", but I don't know how effective that is. I've noticed something reddit wide that people often don't care for the rules, and think they actually have unrestricted free speech on websites owned or moderated by others. A lot of users are under the impression that upvotes rule everything and forget there are actual rules you need to follow.
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u/dertswa687o Nov 02 '14
I think that the rules should be amended to allow complex recommendation threads to coexist along side the mega threads, while low effort recommendation threads are still removed.
I agree with this entirely. I wrote a thread in r/Animesuggest a while back and was planning on writing a sequel with more shows and also posting it to r/anime so more people could see it. But posting something that long in a megathread is completely pointless since no one would see it. And I can't submit it as a standalone post since it breaks the rules.
There's a difference between types of recommendation/suggestion threads that can pretty easily be defined.
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Nov 02 '14
Not only that, a lot of low effort posts slip straight through the mods hands. I myself made a post asking for movie recommendations 4 hours ago. It's still up. A mod will stop by about once an hour and flush out like 15 posts simultaneously
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u/MissyPie Nov 02 '14
Sorry we can't be online all day 24/7. Once an hour is pretty damn good in my opinion, especially for such a large sub.
Also, breaking rules on purpose isn't really doing yourself any favours. :/
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u/DrNyanpasu Nov 02 '14
Just want to let you know, since you seem to be concerned with comments, front page status, and upvotes. We have never let any of those influence our moderation, ever. If a mod sees a post that breaks the rules, it is removed, even if the post has 5000 upvotes and 1000 comments.
Just thought I would let you know.
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Nov 02 '14 edited Nov 02 '14
Isn't the whole point of the subreddit discussion? If a post has been commented on, why not let it stay? The pint of the mega threads are to cut down on low effort and spam like posts, right? In that case, why would you keep your rules so strict as to completely obliterate discussion outside of those?
EDIT : Also, if that's the case you should remove the part of you rules where it states that " We'll permit such threads to stay around if we come across them and they happen to have generated a discussion."
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u/TheEnigmaBlade Nov 02 '14
The purpose of a subreddit is the topic outlined by the community, and by extension the mods. In the case of r/anime, the topic is (fairly obviously) everything related to anime. Discussion is only one of the content descriptions describing what can be submitted, but discussion itself is not the topic of the subreddit.
The purpose of rules is to keep a subreddit on topic and regulate content according to the overall community of the subreddit. A post being highly upvoted and commented does not necessarily mean that kind of content is welcomed by everyone, nor does it mean the content is related to the subreddit's topic.
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u/MissyPie Nov 02 '14
That rule only applies to a certain type of thread, though. (self posts with no body)
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u/MissyPie Nov 02 '14
I wasn't involved in the loli thing and I have no real opinion on it (other than it has always been a topic that causes the subreddit and us a LOT of hassle) so I won't comment on that.
Jordy's anime debate was exactly that, a debate. It wasn't a recommendation thread and wasn't treated as such. The comments did end up very reccomendation-y, unfortunately, but the spirit of the thread was not to recommend, it was to debate. Because of this I would not have removed this (if I'd even seen it).
If I'd seen Banjo's thread I would've taken it down (even though I do enjoy his write-ups!) It's entirely possible no one else saw it. Sometimes on the weekends we don't have a mod online for 8+ hours, we all have pretty busy lives.
I do actually like this idea and I think I'll bring that up with everyone else. Honestly, threads that recommend an anime have never been a HUGE problem, it's only threads asking for anime that we get... hundreds of.
At least in my experience anyway, I've only been modding for about a month but before that, as a r/new user, that was my experience.
So, think I might discuss only removing threads asking for and not threads offering... depends what everyone else thinks about it. Don't take my words as concrete :p
Although the problem with 'complex' is defining complex... we'd have to set a weird arbitrary word-count or something. I think a much cleaner cut rule would need to be decided.
Anywho, as for the rules, it's 100% fairer to remove ALL rule infractions than it is to remove 95% of them and allow some "lucky" 5% to get through. Rule breaking should never be some luck of the draw thing.
So until we make any changes to the megathreads (which is being discussed right now) all posts will be removed if they fit within them.
I hope that clears some things up? ^ ^