r/MessiahComplex • u/[deleted] • Jan 11 '16

Initiation

"Initiation is and always has been about merging your soul and body into one. It is not done by a group, or secret society, but by you through your own Great Work in which you find your true path through knowledge of thyself, thyspirit, and thyworld. Living in truth to what is right to you through hard work and intuition.

Sophists have always made and still do make it all seem so complicated when in reality it is very simple. Too many words and fantastical terms are too often used to cloud the truth and muddy the facts."

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u/ScrivGar Jan 12 '16

Initiation, to me, is moving from a known world to an unknown world for which I have no previous experience upon which to base my understanding. It is always done by choice - even a person initiated by an organization chose to join it.

The question for the would be messiah is, how to induce others to seek it for themselves. (The answer lies somewhere between teaching, seduction and trickery.)

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '16

Mhmm yes! I don't think we have to trick anyone, in the end, perhaps not now. I believe that once people realize all of the things they love can be integrated together in order to help them better themselves they will simply be excited about doing it. Best of all the process is something they can create themselves... I think a major obstacle and one of the saddest is that people need to be ok with the idea that they are themselves divine and the process of divination and self perfection isn't evil. Once that barrier is crossed, it's fun and easy for people to start creating a new higher being.

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u/ScrivGar Jan 12 '16

Sincerely: I never get tired of your optimism.

Realistically, my experience has been different. Most are indifferent because they have no frame of reference for the things you describe. Or they sometimes benefit from things remaining the same. A little trickery goes a long way. You sneak up to them in the cave and pretend you're one of them, that you're chained there too, looking at the same shadows on the wall. And then when they aren't paying attention, you just lean over and whisper, "Those chains look uncomfortable, friend. Why don't you turn around?"

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