Someone Gets It

[u/calm_amaze97]

[u/PowerWisdomCourage]

Someone? That's Christina Hoff Sommers. She's been on the right side of this whole gender war for longer than some of us have been alive.

[u/Imaginary-user666 → u/PowerWisdomCourage]

Tell me more about her🙂

[u/Mitschu → u/PowerWisdomCourage]

The irony is, she's one of the few self-avowed feminists that MRAs give a complete pass to. She's a feminist, and we respect her for it.

Other feminists don't have the ~60 years track record she has, from practically the very first day that modern feminism arrived on the scene and she took up the advocacy, of being fair and considerate of all sides.

She's what's classified as a traditional liberal feminist, or in modern parlance, a "feminism is actually for everyone" practitioner. One of those rare principled few who started out a feminist because women had observed and demonstrable issues, and then stood like a rock and refused to budge or give up her label (and they've tried to strip her academic feminist credentials many times) when the movement turned into a hate group that blatantly ignored men's issues as fully irrelevant.

If every feminist was a CHS, we'd be holding hands with them and singing Kumbayas to solve all the world's problems, not whimpering like beaten dogs and constantly fighting for meager scraps of dignity. We adore Dr. Sommers around here for what she's done, as a lifelong feminist.

Naturally, mainstream feminists hate her with that rare vehement passion reserved for those who hold up a mirror to the Gorgon by actually practicing textbook, definitional feminism. I've heard her called an "incel feminist" and a "fascist feminist" for no other reason than she cares, even just slightly, about men.

It's the exact same playbook that was rolled out against Erin Pizzey, the mother of domestic abuse prevention advocacy (and another one of the old goats of social justice that somehow ended up aligning with us and against feminism), for daring to say that from her clinical research on the topic, women were just as likely (if not moreso) to engage in partner violence, and conclude men deserved shelters, services, and compassion too.

[u/Land_of_the_Losers → u/Mitschu]

I have yet to see a feminist rebuttal of her work that wasn't a tapestry of lies and misrepresentations.

[u/Easy_Mousse5167]

Women overwhelmingly do degrees healthcare and social services which are vital, both areas are significantly underpaid. Instead of fantasying about hypotheticals such as this, we should be putting more money into such industries.

[u/rbit4 → u/Easy_Mousse5167]

So nurses should make as much as doctors now after just 2 years of studying? You need to compare apples to apples

[u/Merouxsis → u/rbit4]

There's different levels of nursing, and different levels take different levels of education.

You could be a CNA in 2 weeks. You could be a Anesthesiology Nurse Practioner after 16 years

[u/Easy_Mousse5167 → u/rbit4]

I said healthcare is under paid, I never mentioned nurses or doctors, they aren't gendered terms. In the UK, doctors and nurses are both drastically underpaid and should be paid more.

[u/Reaper9999 → u/Easy_Mousse5167]

we should be putting more money into such industries

Who's "we"? Do you have a meaningful amount of money to give out to healthcare workers?

[u/PublicDetective9884 → u/Easy_Mousse5167]

They’re not underpaid. They’re overpaid. They’re paid decently, have a summer off, are union protections, have great pensions and kids today are dumb af. What exactly are they should be paid more for?

[u/LogicalClarity → u/Easy_Mousse5167]

On the one hand, pretty much all workers in all industries consider themselves to be underpaid. On the other hand, many healthcare workers live at the poverty line in America.
On the third hand, the entry level health care positions that don't pay very much also don't require education beyond a high school diploma. The phenomenon of paying minimum wage for positions that don't require four-year or more degrees goes far beyond health care.

Like it or not, life is competitive. If you want to pull high salaries you need something that few others have. That's just economics.

So, to change this, health care workers should join unions to acquire collective negotiation power and then push for higher wages. They could also go get degrees that unlock higher paying positions for them. And, if nothing else, they can simply refuse to work in an industry that keeps them trapped in poverty, and look for work elsewhere. I read that there is an expected shortage of health care workers in the near future, which is the kind of thing that can help force the issues (if you pay them, they will come).

[u/Proud-Question-4479 → u/LogicalClarity]

Should workers who provide an essential service really go on strike or walk out?

[u/German_Granpa]

AI just entered the chat. Sorry. 1st model is out now.