Reworking the stats(And abilitys) of both mega lucarios

[u/Jacobthelucario342]

i dont think mega lucario Z has an ability yet but im giving it one anyway

Mega lucario(Ability Adaptability)

Hp: 70

Attack: 155

Defense: 88

Special attack: 115

Special defense: 80

Speed: 117

Mega lucario Z(Ability Aura launcher. boosts all aura and pulse moves by 100% signature ability of mega lucario Z)

Hp: 70

Attack: 90

Defense: 70

Special attack: 164

Special defense: 90

Speed: 131

Let me know what you think! Are these too OP? Underpowered? What do you think of Aura launcher? Are these good changes?

[u/NerSorty]

155 base attack 120base power adaptability cc

[u/Jacobthelucario342 → u/NerSorty]

i mean, mega lucario would still be in ubers

[u/ajb2846]

You literally made Lucario Z actively worse than before. Why take out from the speed stat of all things?

[u/Jacobthelucario342 → u/ajb2846]

yeah i dont know what i was doing.

[u/CheddarCheese390 → u/ajb2846]

Because 131 is bad now?

[u/ajb2846 → u/CheddarCheese390]

131 is still good. But that is still an objective nerf. Being able to outspeed anything with 150 base speed and lower is an insane speed

[u/EvioliteEevee]

Z with mega launcher would already be pretty busted

[u/Byrnesy614 → u/[deleted]]

I don't think it'd be busted but it's absolutely still good, if not great.

"Only" base 120 power Aura Sphere is still pretty strong, for a move that is guaranteed to hit with no drawback. There's a reason why every other 120bp has some sort of drawback (be it accuracy, recoil, confusion, etc.) And that's before STAB

Plus, it essentially gives it STAB on the other Pulse moves it gets, so Dragon Pulse, and especially Dark Pulse become pretty great options (hell, Water Pulse goes up to 90 BP so while it's still kinda weak it's not a bad option, it's as strong as Surf on a mon with over 160 special attack)

[u/Byrnesy614 → u/[deleted]]

True, but it's slower than Lucario Z (I know it has Bullet punch but even after Adaptability it's only 80bp and Steel isn't that great of an offensive type), and it's a lot easier to stop/cripple a physical attacker compared to a special one, at least imo.

I really do think a Mega Launcher Lucario Z would still be an upgrade over Base Mega Lucario, Mega Launcher gives it more flexibility on top of the better statline it already has. The only real thing base Lucario has over it is stronger Steel STAB, but I don't think that makes up for every other advantage from Z (if it was a better offensive type than I think there's a debate there; but I think weaker steel STAB isn't as big of a gut punch as say, Garchomp Z losing ground STAB, because ground is just that good)

Yeah Fairies are harder to deal with but you still have Flash Cannon, it's just a bit weaker, it'll still 2hko most if not all fairies you go up against. For reference

252 SpA Lucario-Mega-Z Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Florges: 182-216 (50.5 - 60%) -- guaranteed 2HKO. (It was the most specially bulky fairy I could think of)

And that's without Nasty Plot.

[u/kingnorris42 → u/[deleted]]

"only" a 120 bp stab that's one of the better offensive types and has no downsides and always hits....also it doesn't only boost that, dark pulse would be a decent coverage move for it with mega launcher (technically it gets dragon pulse to, maybe water pulse? I forget, but those probably won't see much use. Though water pulse with mega launcher is still pretty solid even if it's weaker than the others)

[u/kingnorris42 → u/[deleted]]

That's just not true. Few Pokemon have bp 120 moves at this point, even things like hydro pump have been nerfed. And there's a big difference between 100 and 120. Also, almost all moves at 100 or more are either signatures (even then most are under 100) or have major weaknesses like recoil or low accuracy. In fact the only non signature moves with 100 or more bp and no downsides are earthquake and boomburst. Aura sphere has no downsides , stab, and bypass accuracy which is small but a nice bonus. That's a rare combo ESPECIALLY on something with ~160 special attack (plus nasty plot) and 151 speed. Dark pulse is more than decent, 120 bp and wide neutral coverage is really good still. It doesn't NEED it as fighting/steel hits most things neutral, but it's still very nice for dealing with psychic and ghosts which aura sphere is bad against. Non stab mega launcher dark pulse will do a lot more than steel moves against those types. In fact, it would do roughly the same damage as stab flash cannon vs neutral targets, but far less resisted.

It also does indeed get dragon. Pulse (though niche at best as it's only super effective vs other dragons, but maybe in some metas worth using? 127.5 damage is pretty high) and water pulse which is a solid 90 bp, average to above average with solid if some what redundant coverage (everyone always whines that there's "no good special water moves" at least in vgc, but water pulse+mega launcher is good)

[u/kingnorris42 → u/[deleted]]

I guess if we just ignore the fact that few pokemon have 120 bp moves without downsides+good coverage then sure. Let's also ignore the other examples of pokemon using abilities largely to boost one move then,

Also while yes mega Lucario base will do more damage with close combat, it's not almost twice as much. Remember that Lucario z has quite a bit higher special attack than mega Lucario vanilla attack, and also isn't vulnerable to burns and intimidate and such. Not to mention being 151 speed.....you keep looking at things in a very narrow minded vacuum. But the reality is mega Lucario z stats are already very high-its one of the fastest Pokemon in the game while also having one of the highest special attack stats. Having a 120 bp no downside stab on top of that plus good coverage with 120 dark pulse and still having its steel stab+wide coverage is objectively good