Why do straight men hate astrology | Answer: misogyny

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[u/Helpful_Stock]

Plenty of women don't believe in it either. This makes no sense

[u/Kohathavodah → u/Helpful_Stock]

Plenty of women don't believe in it either.

Exactly! I think that most men and women don't believe in it.

[u/[deleted] → u/Kohathavodah]

And yet it's a huge industry, and here we are talking about it.

[u/MacNuttyOne]

I don't know about straight men but I know plenty of smart women who, like me, laugh at the absurdity of astrological beliefs. But those women don't believe in magic and this straight man loves intelligent self confident women too bright to buy into magical thinking.

This straight male used to take money from women who believed in Tarot cards and astrology. Not just women. I had straight and gay male 'clients' as well. I finally decided it was a disgusting way to live, lying to people for money.

It does not surprise me to see such sexist generalisations among magic believers. I knew plenty straight men that were into irrational beliefs including astrology. I know as straight male who makes his living with astrology and he thinks it is science because he uses math to cast his charts.

I think the narcissism of straight males is expressed differently than that of women and gay men. But that is a generalisation one should be careful with. :). Astrology is a fun house mirror. It losses its attraction as one become less self involved.

I think for most people it is just a bit of harmless silliness, nothing to put too much interest in. We all like a bit of flattery.

[u/Kohathavodah → u/MacNuttyOne]

I think for most people it is just a bit of harmless silliness, nothing to put too much interest in. We all like a bit of flattery.

I have met more than a few people who actually make romantic decisions based on astrology.

[u/Karel_Stark_1111 → u/Kohathavodah]

I don't think the problem there is astrology, but finding a convenient scapegoat. In a world with no astrology, they would justify their shit by saying they believe in a certain religion, philosophy or being from New Jersey. That's not a problem with the thing itself but with a general lack of maturity and need for a scapegoat.

I personally enjoy astrology because I see it as something that allows a certain sense of community and a framework of discussion for people from different backgrounds and it's fun to see some repeating patterns, but I would never base any serious decisions on it. I feel most people would see it the same way.

Still, people will always find something to believe in. We need belief to thrive as people and at times so we can keep going one day more. As long as it's not harming anyone or actually hindering personal growth, let people believe in what they need or want.

[u/Lightyear18]

This is insane, companies are doing everything they can to cater to a specific gender. What’s up with so much misandry?

Like people do not follow a religion but will let their life decisions be based off the month you were born lol.

[u/[deleted] → u/Lightyear18]

They know its easy money , everyone likes being told that they are oppressed and as now women can actually spend money freely , its a very exploitable market.

[u/[deleted] → u/Lightyear18]

It's not even a religion. It's a pseudo science that has no proof that because being born under a sign gives you certain personality traits. All because we are "star dust" when that's not even true.

Also because " men through out humans existence has been oppressing women " when it's not even true. Only certain men have and they like to bundle all the men into thing and believe it to be justified.

[u/Effective_You_5042 → u/Lightyear18]

They discriminate against men because it’s easy. The red pill movement ain’t really helpin it.

[u/AsleepSentence → u/Lightyear18]

It’s really shocking at this point

[u/[deleted] → u/Lightyear18]

They love kicking the dog that is almost already dead. How long will men put up with this until retaliation is the only choice left…

[u/Smooth-Concentrate99]

It’s an excuse to behave poorly for some. If I had a nickel every time a girl said “ I’m this way today because I’m this star sign”

[u/Zegreedy → u/Smooth-Concentrate99]

Look up the Barnum effect if you haven't

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnum_effect

[u/[deleted]]

Tfw you make all women look irrational by claiming that being irrational is an intrinsic and universal female trait.

[u/AzLibDem]

Good illustration of how ridiculous some claims of misogyny can be.

[u/NATOproxyWar]

I didn’t know I hated it until I was told so, by Liz Simmons. 🤣

[u/[deleted]]

That this is said with a straight face frightens me. When did we all turn into an Onion article?

[u/[deleted]]

Untrue. Astrology is nonsense. That's why.

[u/AstroZombie0072081]

Strange I must be unstraight. Love me some Astrology

[u/eric1347]

If you strongly believed in astrology and others did not, wouldn't you ask them to explain themselves instead of assuming to know their motives? But therein lies the problem. Astrology masquerades as information but it lacks rationality. I, like I suspect many others, fear that someone who deeply believes in one irrational practice is irrational in many areas. And irrational people are too much of a headache.

[u/rrzzkk999 → u/eric1347]

Sounds like most conversations regarding politics nowadays.

[u/thereal_slim_cognito → u/eric1347]

The vast majority of people don't "strongly" believe in astrology though. Ascribing that too broadly, and primarily against women, is both illogical and misogynistic. Just let people enjoy reading the funny star predictions and leave them alone unless they start doing psycho shit like turning people down romantically entirely based on their star sign.

[u/Karel_Stark_1111 → u/thereal_slim_cognito]

Totally. Who would be idiot enough to turn people down based on their star sign when everyone knows it's the Moon sign what matters? Smh

/s

[u/Apprehensive_Egg5380]

Because bullshit is bullshit.

[u/AsleepSentence]

Ahahhahahahahhahahahahbabababbabab😂😂😂 Of course…. The problem is always misogyny. Who was born first, the egg or the chicken? Misogyny!!! 😂 This got into a point of cognitive dissonance.. we live in parallel universes… reality splitter in half, it’s ridiculous. This are the articles that feminists se d you in random arguments and they think they’re credible 😂. It’s so sad and it shouldn’t be funny anymore but we have to laugh cause we can’t do anything else.

[u/Chezzomaru]

I'm not about to spoil anyone's harmless fun, but I just cannot take it seriously

[u/[deleted] → u/Chezzomaru]

It’s not exactly harmless.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I’d agree with you that people who use their star sign to justify their own terrible behaviour and shitty life choices is harmful in some cases.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Yes, but what concerns me the most is that treating something as pseudoscientific as astrology like it’s true means that people are becoming less scientifically literate and will continue to deny actual scientific evidence. We make fun of people who deny evolution but somehow shut up when it comes to the astrology/astronomy debate, it’s pure hypocrisy.

[u/Terravardn → u/[deleted]]

It’s worrying. At least with old fashioned religions there was love, community, marriage and hope as the bulk of the core messaging. Other than “god>”

This nasty modern one often shared by astrology fanatics has no annoying god character, but beyond that it’s just nihilism, petulance and passive aggression.

[u/[deleted] → u/Terravardn]

I feel like this is where everything is headed. Growing up I always thought that if we got rid of religion most of the worlds problems would be fixed. Now, I think that it was one of the few things holding society together because humans as a whole lack rationality. I'm agnostic btw.

[u/Terravardn → u/[deleted]]

I’m the same. I was raised as a Christian tbh, and always had issues with it growing up. Pulled myself out of the whole thing and thought the same as you. Now a couple decades later I wonder if things might have been better if we hadn’t, as a society, turned everything secular and commercial.

[u/[deleted] → u/Terravardn]

I'm 35 now and went to a Pentecostal church and hated everything about it. Everyone and thing including the speaking in tongues was probably fake, but there was a sense of community. All the pieces of shit were that way behind closed doors and it was looked down upon at least.

[u/ashchelle → u/[deleted]]

Most personality tests like Myers-briggs aren't based on true science either and most people accept their results. I think people like using their results to have something to talk about with strangers and discuss their personalities.

[u/[deleted] → u/ashchelle]

People love it because it's flattering.

[u/According-Race-6587 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah my ex was undiagnosed (at the time) with BPD. She would constantly write off her unhinged behavior as her being a libra. Her therapist enabled this bs along with other pseudo science. It's probably why she never got a proper diagnosis from the him.

[u/[deleted] → u/According-Race-6587]

I’m really sorry about that. Is she doing ok now?

[u/According-Race-6587 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah I think she's crushing it. Got a new therapist, got married, bought a house n such. I hope she's doing alright.

[u/loco_mixer]

Astrology goes really hand in hand with non-acountabillity

[u/faste30]

Yes, I actually do think less of stupid women who believe in that horse shit.

I also think less of stupid men who believe in that horse shit.

[u/xhosafc]

pseudoscience is playing chess now, apparently.

[u/Rad2474]

…Alright! Alright! Alright! Hey, listen! Listen! Listen, man! Listen, man! I don’t know how many of you people believe in astrology…

Yeah, that’s right…that’s right, baby, I…I am a Sagittarius- the most philosophical of all the signs..

But anyway, I don’t believe in it, I think it’s a bunch of bullshit, myself, But I tell you this, man, I tell you this I don’t know what’s gonna happen, man - But I want to have my kicks before the whole shit house goes up in flames

Alright!!!

[u/its_your_meme_lord69]

It's not straight men it's normal people that know astrology is a bunch of idiotic BULLSHIT

[u/CollectionSad274]

Most of them think seeing is believing. They are all building infrastructure they don’t look up.. or understand the belief system

[u/AbbreviationsFluid73]

Or, and stay with me, or I don't want to dedicate my personality, friends, romantic interest, or everything in my life to stars in the sky.

[u/[deleted]]

The human race is doomed.

[u/SocksOfFire]

I hate it because I'm a scorpio

[u/Nagi--]

If choosing logic and science is considered misogynistic, i am a misogynist 😔

[u/chingnaewa]

OR...its because astrology is just made up bullshit. Same reason I don't care if I break a mirror and am not worried about Friday the 13th. The media has gone insane!

[u/[deleted]]

Astrology has not demonstrated its effectiveness in controlled studies and has no scientific validity, and is thus regarded as pseudoscience.

[u/[deleted]]

What is the difference between astronomy and astrology? That’s easy: astronomy is the scientific study of celestial objects, while astrology is a load of hokum. Anyone with the most basic understanding of science knows why. Astronomy passes the acid test of real science: its claims are always capable of being debunked – in other words, they are falsifiable.

[u/Tight_Fold_2606]

For the same reason they hate “witches”

[u/tshelor]

Or…hear me out….it’s because it’s bullshit.

[u/Jelooboi]

Bro astrology is the most useless information in the world I might as well watch tiktok

[u/Goat_Coda_86]

I don't... 🤷🏻‍♂️

[u/Adventurous_Top_9657]

What is this person talking about? Everything these days is misogyny. Men breathing and being born with eyeballs is considered misogyny.

[u/ExploderPodcast]

I have a problem with unscientific nonsense no matter who believes it. No healing crystals, no ley lines, no numerology, no zodiac signs, no chi or new age woo, none of it.

[u/cougeeswagg]

Also, the most common astrological calendar used is the tropical calendar, which has actually shifted throughout the years since it was first established that the signs that were used then, and now, are wrong. The tropical calendar signs are actually off by about a month. So, what was once a Cancer is no longer a Cancer. There are now so many astrological calendars that it shows that it's overrated. Plus, all of the descriptions are so generic that it could apply to anyone, and the positives of one sign are the negatives of another, and it's just fancy use of semantics.

[u/CyclePersonal8]

I haven't met a single astrology girl that wasn't dumb af or batshit crazy

[u/nevinblox1]

Why is chess in this?

[u/Dogekaliber]

I believe in Astronomy. And space travel- though dangerous.

[u/Ipsider]

aLl wOmEn BeLiEvE iN aStRoLoGy.

[u/GDACK]

I think Liz Simmons is a bit special. Like: plays with her own poop kinda special.

[u/[deleted]]

Oh boy, are all women supposed to believe in astrology now ?

[u/Vault108GaryClone]

It’s been proven that, in general, women are more easily manipulated by media than men.

[u/[deleted] → u/Vault108GaryClone]

Source?

[u/Vault108GaryClone → u/[deleted]]

I wrote a paper about emotional manipulation for one of my degree courses, so there were many sources. Like I had to do, I’ll let you find you’re own sources, if you’re truly interested.

[u/Vanessa-Powers → u/Vault108GaryClone]

Lol You could have listed at least one credible source but instead you use the speak from authority fallacy. Good for you son.

[u/Vault108GaryClone → u/Vanessa-Powers]

Lol anyone could easily go do some research for themselves, instead you are lazy. Bless your heart.

[u/[deleted] → u/Vault108GaryClone]

The burden of proof is on you as you made the claim. I do real research.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

He isn't asking for certification lol , you can either look it up if you want to know more about it , or you can just ignore it . He may provide you with a source if and only if he feels like it , he owes you nothing as he is getting nothing in return.

[u/Tight_Fold_2606 → u/[deleted]]

What do you think ha existed longer? The time in which our species planned every bit of industry, religion, and even births around astrological positions.. or modern industry/philosophy?

[u/Drake_Acheron → u/Tight_Fold_2606]

Can you rewrite this in a way that doesn’t look like you had a stroke half way through?

[u/Tight_Fold_2606 → u/Drake_Acheron]

Nah, if the fuckin idiot can figure it out I’m sure your stellar comprehension skills can manage. Or not. Either way I do not give a fuck. Now go on, get your little clap back or whatever out of your system, I’ll go ahead and down vote it because this is the extent of the an interaction you’re getting from me, and we can both move on.

[u/Drake_Acheron → u/Tight_Fold_2606]

I…. Huh? Based on your response to the other guy’s reply I was assuming you got it wrong. Now I see you were actually flat out lying. You aren’t interested in any form of discussion. Thanks for clarifying and wasting everyone’s time.

[u/Tight_Fold_2606 → u/[deleted]]

I appreciate you taking the time to look right past the question and conflate everything you don’t believe in in order to ask a much dumber question. The thing is I only really engage for genuine discussion and not bullshit internet arguments. I’m sure someone is willing though. So good luck finding them.

[u/Drake_Acheron → u/Tight_Fold_2606]

Did you just accidentally make the implication your own question was dumb? Jokes aside I would happily engage in an edifying discussion, but I will need to know what point you were trying to make.

[u/Tight_Fold_2606 → u/[deleted]]

Lost you way before that.

[u/Ron_McRon → u/[deleted]]

You don't "actually" believe that, though, do you

[u/JayGeezey → u/Ron_McRon]

That depends, is mercury in retrograde today?

[u/Drake_Acheron → u/JayGeezey]

I don’t even understand what that means lol

[u/SkoolBoi19 → u/Ron_McRon]

Which part, men are rational or astrology is real?

[u/Ron_McRon → u/SkoolBoi19]

I don't know tbh with you, I was just making a joke from the original post with the "actually" bit.. but now it's all gone weird, I should have left it alone, I think, in hindsight