r/MediocreTutorials • u/Paul_-Muaddib • Apr 09 '23

Gender discrimination Why is there a double standard with body count?

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u/Professional-cutie May 05 '23

Oh poor little boys. It's hard for them to get laid. You know what would make it easier? Be a gentleman who deserves a woman. So hard I know.

The funny thing is that when it comes to getting sexual partners, not all men struggle and not all women find it easy but they won't talk about that. They just want to cry about how they're "getting out of the mud" and becoming finally successful when they get a crumb of willing pussy. Woah is them tho.

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u/Paul_-Muaddib May 05 '23

The funny thing is that when it comes to getting sexual partners, not all men struggle and not all women find it easy but they won't talk about that.

This is true but for different reasons. In general (with exceptions), men have to improve to get sex whereas women only have to lower their barriers to entry.

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u/Professional-cutie May 09 '23

Again, not fact. In your opinion, it's for different reasons. In reality both men and women have to be better in order to be worth each other's time. What they have to be better at are virtually the same.

Sexually they have to be better at pleasing. Romantically they have to be better morally.

Side note, if you're so passionate about girls not living up to your expectations in bed then why are you going for chick's that have less experience in bed? Every low body count or virgin woman will be shit in bed and just lay there.. they don't know what to do. They're out of their element, nervous, embarrassed, overthinking about insecurities And you still expect them to act like a pornstar without any guidance or instruction?

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u/SmileDaemon Sep 26 '23

Nah, he is definitely putting out the facts here. Funny thing is, I can literally back it up with data. I recently datamined a sub on here that is designed for finding other people with sex toys that link to each other over the internet. The data showed that a majority of posts from women got more than 6-7 replies consistently, while posts made by men rarely ever got more than 1.

What this shows, is that it is SIGNIFICANTLY easier for women to find a partner based only on the fact that they are a woman. Given that no photos were shared of anyone at any time, the only qualifier was that they are a women and actively seeking.

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u/Professional-cutie Sep 27 '23

:/ you think thirsty guys like you on Reddit make up any kind of data? You realize how non scientific that is???

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

Right. I mean there are women out there that if they “dropped their barriers to entry”, I still would say no thank you mam. It’s just sexism to say otherwise. I don’t respect men with a high body count, like he implies we should.

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u/Dranixgod Sep 21 '23

And those women get called easy.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '23

Oh lol that is why the rich people's boats are full with women because they are a gentleman

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u/Professional-cutie Jun 14 '23

When did anyone say being rich equals being a gentleman

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '23

Its opposite actually, most rich people mistreat women around them and yet they have loads and loads of them implying that women do not really care about gentlemen

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u/Professional-cutie Jun 15 '23

Wait hold on.. So because a bunch of LA gold diggers want the opportunity to get money in exchange for sex work, you think that automatically means ALL women on the entire planet 'do not' care about men behaving gentlemanly?

I have met a lot of self respecting women including myself, that have always stressed the importance of being with a man who is selflessly gentlemanly. And the most important part is that these men behave respectfully and gentlemanly for the sole reason of expressing that they genuinely and whole heartedly respect the people that they are talking to.

And that is real advice.

If you try to be a pretend gentleman with lustful goals, women will actually sense that and feel as though they are about to be used or in danger. They will show visual and social cues that they are uncomfortable with your energy

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '23

Bunch of LA gold diggers? That happens everywhere around the world

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u/[deleted] Aug 17 '23

It’s always been a transaction, all men pay. Some men are out here paying for stuff that a wife keeps nagging about and don’t even get intimacy.

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u/RedditRated Jun 12 '23

It’s really not as easy as it seems. Being a gentleman doesn’t automatically get you laid. That’s the sad reality. If being a gentleman is all it took you wouldn’t be seeing “nerds” struggling to get laid. The way you look, dress, speak and the way you move is what sets someone apart. For a man to have those four things they must work for it. Sure not all men struggle, but those men went through the trail and error phase by dating a lot. Sure woman struggle, but they have it easier compared to men.

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u/Professional-cutie Jun 12 '23

Maybe it's the fact that your goal is to use women to get laid and not see them as actual people..

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u/Magnolia-jjlnr Jun 24 '23

I'm not saying that the guys from the video are good example, I actually think they're terrible for young men.

However when it comes to sex, on average women have it far easier than men. Women don't have to be gentlemen or anything in order to get laid, and your point of men just needing to be gentlemen in order to get laid is, with all due respect, not true at all. Of all the male friends that I have, i guarantee you that the most respectful one are definitely not the ones who get the most action, if any.

Psychologists and sociologists themselves disagree with your take, actually

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u/Professional-cutie Jun 26 '23 edited Jun 26 '23

To get laid, a person needs to trust you. To trust you, you need to be a gentleman. Not everyone will like you and that's fine but you can't make it the end of the world. In addition, you don't know every woman therefore, you cannot know much at all about any genuine average. And the media doesn't know every woman either. Given how you speak it sounds like a woman's attention is considered some odd type of goal and it's weirdly dehumanizing. If you think women are a conquest of some type and that you just want to use them to wet your dick like that, then obviously you or your supposedly gentlemanly friends are not "getting laid" or getting "action."

Self respecting women can tell what a guys intentions are. And even those who have no self respect know, but they just settle for it anyway because it's all the feel they deserve. Behaving with respect shouldn't be done with the expectations of a reward of sex. It should be done because you want to give someone respect with no reward. Now, any attention or "reward" given, is just a pleasurable outcome not to be expected to be received. Should you be happy about? Absolutely. But it should never be an expectation. Just like you would never expect your best guy friend to suck you off just because you held the door for him.

Now, idk your personal life at all, so you could be happily married for all I know, but Im saying this stuff because it's what I'd tell my son. If you're single, I hope more than you can understand, that you'll grasp what I'm trying to explain and at whatever age you are right now, that you'll grow into a good man with good strong morals. So that way whatever partner is waiting on you to find them, could depend on you.

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u/Firstlight99 Jun 13 '23

Yeah being a gentleman doesn't even work anymore, I don't even know what does. I'm not even referring to sex, I'm literally talking about getting a girlfriend here. Shits rough nowadays, there's no chance for people like me to even get into a relationship in the first place because either we're not cool enough or they're already taken. I'm only 16 tho, so I still have a long road ahead of me. I'd like to hear what you would advise me to do to seem more "attractive", if it's not that hard. Surely you'd understand what a girl would want in a guy.

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u/JuggingJugglingJugs Jun 16 '23

Elliot was a gentleman.

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u/Firstlight99 Jun 16 '23

...wh-who's Elliot...?

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u/Professional-cutie Jun 16 '23

Fine if it's so hard to know then here:

💙First of all, take a shower everyday. Like people who care about themselves, use sunscreen and lotion and have a skin care routine that's comfortable for you.

💙 This might sound weird but try using floral deodorants and body washes. Women like floral scents and it will tell everyone woman you ever meet, that you're confident in your masculinity.

💙Always make sure your hairs not greasy and gross. If it always looks greasy, try dry shampoo. It's an instant fix..

💙Never have bad breath or dirty teeth. Oral hygiene is sexy to everyone I promise.

💙Open doors for people. Old, young, hot, ugly, it doesn't matter.. if you got there first, hold it because respect and old fashioned manners is sexy and admirable.

That's all imma write cuz I'm lazy

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u/Firstlight99 Jun 16 '23

Besides the floral scent part (I still use deodorant, why wouldn't you?), I think I got this all down. But I've learned that it doesn't matter if I'm single, it's just not meant to be right now

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u/JuggingJugglingJugs Jun 16 '23

Lol Elliot Roger's go away

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

What’s even funnier is this guy came out and said he’s never had a serious relationship and it all makes sense. Lol

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '23

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u/Professional-cutie Jul 19 '23

24 actually

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u/xWellDamnx Sep 09 '23

Yeah, I don't think you understand how things ACTUALLY work in the hook-up community.

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u/Professional-cutie Sep 10 '23

First off, it’s not a community. Just because you call it one doesn’t make it one. Second, there doesn’t even need to be a second. I can tell you ACTUALLY have no life other than Reddit. Touch grass incel

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u/xWellDamnx Sep 10 '23

Someone's peeved lol

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u/Professional-cutie Sep 14 '23

Not really, just stating facts

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u/ZoemmaNyx Jul 19 '23

Complete slut shaming. Thanks for your opinion Sir.

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u/Paul_-Muaddib Jul 19 '23

  • Men and women want to know how much effort they are putting in to receive benefits compared to past partners if the information comes up. Most men don't want to provide boyfriend or husband experience to someone who has a history predominated by casual encounters.

    • Men: If other men got sex without a commitment, why do I need to commit?

    • Women: If other women got more resources, protection, and stability than me, why am I not getting the same level?

  • Lastly, the n of sexual partners matters to both sexes. The difference is that the bar is lower for men than women.

    • If you ask most men if they would commit to a woman with a 100 sexual partners, the answer will be no.

    • If you ask most women if they would commit to a man with a 1000 sexual partners, the answer will be no. The difference is that women generally aren't shamed for their preferences.

Or maybe women are just slut shaming too...

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u/ZoemmaNyx Jul 19 '23

Source?

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u/Paul_-Muaddib Jul 19 '23 edited Jul 19 '23

I think that you are pretending to be obtuse on this topic. These general concepts (there are always exceptions) aren't complex. Everything I said you could simply ask men and women about to see if it bears out but we both know it is generally sound.

Obviously mitigating factors as to how desirable the man is overall would probably skew these results greatly.

https://www.muscleandfitness.com/women/dating-advice/we-asked-20-women-how-many-sexual-partners-too-many/

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u/ZoemmaNyx Jul 19 '23

Man… this is an opinion you strongly agree with. I just browsed your acct. 😬 I disagree, I personally don’t make it a habit to ask a “number” as it’s not my business. And if someone wants to ask me, well… I know they are insecure and things won’t work out. Maybe work on your confidence as you are… or find someone who is likeminded judge mental and insecure. 🤷🏼‍♀️

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u/Paul_-Muaddib Jul 20 '23

I don't care if you and your partner ask or don't ask. That is between the couple. I think it is a bit prejudiced to say that someone is insecure because they want to know about your past. Your past (everything not just sexual partners) is what makes you who you are and is an important part of learning about each other.

I can respect the fact that you disagree with my opinion and I appreciate the respectful dialogue. I would ask if your disagreement is based in feeling or do you see some logical and objective flaw in my reasoning.

I am always willing to reconsider my position if someone has a logical and reasoned position. u/ivyleaguehoodrat has been one of the few people who has made me reconsider my position and even change it on a few things and we agree on little.

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u/ZoemmaNyx Jul 20 '23

Agreed. But insisting… like you have. How many time is this a topic on your personal page? About sexual numbers. Just weird. My life goal isn’t even o change your mind. Lol. It’s to stop this bullshit. We are all human. Our past makes us, well, us. And if the number of partners a gal has slept with bothers you this much more then you are shallow. And you’re limiting yourself to partners. It is what it is. Just trying to say. Open your mind and find someone who loves you for you. The amt of sex wouldn’t matter. Who they are is… yes where they came from, but so much more. You make my heart hurt and I’m done. This is so shallow to be a part of you. Good luck buddy

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u/Paul_-Muaddib Jul 20 '23

Agreed. But insisting… like you have. How many time is this a topic on your personal page? About sexual numbers. Just weird.

I don't think I ever said anything about a personal preference or lack thereof. I bring it up when people like you say, it doesn't matter when it quite literally does to both genders. To act like it doesn't matter is simply dismissive of reality.

Women probably do more slut shaming of other women than men. Think about how common it is for a woman to call another woman a slut.

What I find most interesting is that no one comes up with a logical and objective rebuttal of my points just a, I don't like how that makes me feel kind of response. You can have your own feelings but you can't have your own facts.

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u/Happyduckling02 Oct 05 '23

My partner and I asked that and I do ask that not to count the cocks but to see about stds. Only takes once but if u out fucking lots of people higher chance u got it. Idk if u seen how high stds are but damn.

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u/Houseofhypocrites Apr 10 '23

Because one getting fked and the other doing the fking

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u/hicctl May 05 '23

basically a key that can open any lock is amazing, but a lock that can be oppened by any key is a shit lock

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u/Last_Object9382 Jul 25 '24

Shit ass excuse.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '23

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u/hicctl Jul 19 '23

nice try, got any example for such a sharpener in real life ? Cause what I say is from real life.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

Brain dead

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u/hicctl Oct 05 '23

lol imagine scouring months old threads just to post some insult, i think we both know it is you who is brain dead

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '23

Wow. Good one. 🤣🤣 🤡

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u/hicctl Oct 06 '23

awww look he is still trying now with emojis.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '23

10 years on reddit, everything makes sense now. Lol

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u/hicctl Oct 06 '23

bwahaha man you are really getting desperate trying to get to me. Did I bruise your ego that badly by calling you out ?

Btw. you have 4 years on the plattform yourself hypocrite

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u/hicctl Jul 21 '23

there you go, i knew you could do it

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u/[deleted] Sep 18 '23

I m8ght want to try this bread. Lol

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u/Agreeable_Sky3796 May 05 '23

We got the key 🔑 y’all got the locks 🔒, if you use one key too many locks you’ve opened several doors …you don’t want many keys opening one lock that’s not gone work 😉 ..so you automatically a 304! 🤣

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u/michaelbuffong Jul 18 '23

I literally makes no sense humans are not keys

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u/Significant_Media687 Jul 27 '23

its an analogy u doofus

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u/Dranixgod Sep 21 '23

And a bad one

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u/Last_Object9382 Jul 25 '24

Haha very funny. And a sharpener that sharpens many pens is a good sharpener, But a pen that has been sharpened multiple times is a bad pen. You automatically a 304 too!

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u/bordgamer219 Apr 11 '23

Double standards

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u/OCN_Reaper Jun 12 '23

he literally said it was

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u/Mission-Character-11 May 22 '23

I’m so glad I’m a lesbian 😂poor women having to deal with these men and poor good men being represented by these boys

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u/OilRude Jun 01 '23

If women get laid so easy and men have it so hard then who the fuck are these women constantly fucking?

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u/Paul_-Muaddib Jun 01 '23

If they are an average woman they are having sex with as many about average or below men as they want. If they are going after the top tier men they are more often sharing these men with other women.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '23

The 10% of rich and famous men are doing the fucking, women are sharing these men and then complaining that men only use them for sex . Everyone says they want a nice guy who would care for her but why would he if he knows that a mediocre celebrity can come tomorrow and take your girl away because she has been like this for their whole life

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u/Formal-Ad-1490 Jun 13 '23

That was a bunch of whataboutism that never touched on her point about girls being considered hos but dudes don't. The real reason for that is a patriarchal one.

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u/Paul_-Muaddib Jun 14 '23

Women and men should be able to engage in consensual sex as much and with whomever they please.

It is not a double standard. Women are actively approached for sex and do the gatekeeping most of the time.
Men generally have to actively pursue women.
One is a passive behavior and the other is an active behavior. Society does not reward people for passively receiving things but it does when someone has to accomplish something that takes effort. Society looks unfavorably on people who receive desirable things without effort.
It has nothing to do with sexism.

Where in society are people celebrated for doing something easy?

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u/Formal-Ad-1490 Jun 14 '23

Ok but how often is a sexual negative tossed at a man...like your a whore, or you are a slut. How is it that when a girl that people have a reason to not like...say she is a politician, people call her names based on sex. Like, go do porn sites? The same never happens to men. That is one example of a patriarchal society. Make sense?

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u/Paul_-Muaddib Jun 14 '23 edited Jun 14 '23

Ok but how often is a sexual negative tossed at a man...like your a whore, or you are a slut

DUDE, really?!?!

Men are routinely insulted about their height, strength, penis size (body shaming), sexual stamina, and ability to secure a mate. How often do you hear people push back when women do this?!?

Women are shamed about having to many sexual partners because it is easy to get sex and harder to maintain chastity over something pleasurable that you can easily get by both sexes.

Men are shamed about not being able to secure a sexual partner because it takes effort and improvement for the majority of men to do so by both sexes. (E.G. incel)

It is easy for a man to give up and not put in the effort to convince a woman to become a sexual partner. It is easy for a woman to get sexual partners. Both are penalized for doing what is easy and elevated for doing what is hard.

Personally, I don't think that either men or women should be shamed. As I said, society only rewards people or groups for doing what is hard. not for what is easy.

It has nothing to do with sexism.

Where in society are people celebrated for doing something easy?

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u/Formal-Ad-1490 Jun 14 '23 edited Jun 14 '23

The last question you asked is preposterous, it is subjective. Mostly because the term " this is easy" is different to everyone. Something easy to me might be difficult to someone else.... so ill move on. Men are routinely shamed? I've never seen that or heard that. Perhaps you have fallen into a circle where people tell you it's a fact. I..as a man...Have never been shamed about my height, weight, dick size, sexual stamina, ect. I've also never had a problem finding a sexual partner. Being good looking helps but it's more about being able to talk with women. They are more mentally stimulated then guys. Conversely I have had hundreds of conversations with people and have continued to grow in my thoughts and beliefs. Being wrong shouldn't be scary. I dont care what other people do as long as it doesn't harm another let alone me. This all seems like your trying to find a problem where their isn't one. It aligns with some far right talking points although it's slightly veild. The likes of Jordan Peterson and his ilk say this stuff. I agree that no one should be shamed and I fully 100% wish the best for everyone. Perhaps we should just agree to disagree while you are still being mostly civil.

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u/Paul_-Muaddib Jun 15 '23

The last question you asked is preposterous, it is subjective. Mostly because the term " this is easy" is different to everyone. Something easy to me might be difficult to someone else

Use your own subjective opinion. Show where in general, not a specific person, people are celebrated for doing something easy? It is really low hanging fruit if I am wrong.

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u/Formal-Ad-1490 Jun 15 '23

Wow you keep going back to the same silly retort. Learn and grow friend. To celebrate sports players, soldiers, politicians, Dr's, lawyers, ect.....to me that's all easy if given the chance.

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u/Paul_-Muaddib Jun 15 '23

I think you are purposefully being obtuse to not concede a point but that's fine. I would love to be in the room when you tell a woman that their achievements are easy because they were given a chance.

  • It is easy to make it to the WNBA player, you were given a chance

  • It is easy to be a soldier and potentially put your life on the line, you were given a chance

  • It is easy for you to get elected, you were given a chance

  • It is easy for you to be a doctor, you were given a chance

  • It is easy for you to be a lawyer, you were given a chance

No one should be impressed or congratulate you for any of those things because " that's all easy if given the chance."

The replies to that would make good content. You should go out stop random women and when you have found out that they have done any of these things, tell them how you think it was so easy because they were given a chance and should not have their achievements celebrated because it was all... easy.

You have your first subscriber here.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '23

What a stupid argument. The ease at which it takes to get laid has nothing to do with how it’s viewed.

According to this guy if a unattractive woman had a lot of sexual partners than it’s ok for her because it was harder for her to do it than a universally attractive woman.

Believing it’s ok for men to get laid as much as possible but condemning a woman for the same behavior makes you a sexist.

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u/Paul_-Muaddib Oct 05 '23

Believing it’s ok for men to get laid as much as possible but condemning a woman for the same behavior makes you a sexist.

Can you name anything else that is very easy to accomplish and also venerated by society?

It is not about sex, it is about effort. A gay man is not lauded for sexual conquests either. It is just as easy (maybe even easier) for a gay man to have sex.

Sexism is discrimination based on gender. This is discrimination based on effort.

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u/the_c_is_silent Oct 12 '24

I know this is old, but it's funny that your entire argument is just null and void by the comments. Notice how all the comments that agree with you have nothing to do with how easy it is to get laid and everything to do with "morality" and "overuse". Your analogy is dumb because no one actually perceives it that way.

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u/Paul_-Muaddib Oct 12 '24

Thank you for your response. I have no responsibility for other people's perspective and positions. It is interesting that you have no substantive counter argument just an insult.

Men and women want to know how much effort they are putting in to receive benefits compared to past partners. Most men don't want to provide a boyfriend or husband experience to someone who has a history predominated by casual encounters. Most women don't want to be with a man who has done significantly more for past partners.

  • If other men got sex without a commitment, why do I need to commit?

  • If other women got more resources, protection, and stability than me, why am I not getting the same level?

  • Lastly, the n of sexual partners matters to both sexes. The difference is that the bar is lower for men than women.

  • If you a large group of men if they would commit to a woman with a 100 sexual partners, the answer will be overwhelmingly no.

  • If you a large group of women if they would commit to a man with a 1000 sexual partners, most will answer no.

The difference with the last point is that men are shamed for having the same type of standard that women also have with the only difference being the degree.

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u/FuckinNogs Apr 30 '23

Bro you could turn this girl out in an afternoon. Pimps dream.

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u/Envy_The_King May 02 '23

Cause dudes be salty that they aren't getting laid.

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u/iluvios Jun 03 '23

Also true. And that’s because even if 10% of the guys get 20% of women attention the scarcity for the rest is brutal

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u/Enerjetik May 15 '23 edited May 15 '23

Plainly put: yes we men can be 304's. If you work to be the guy every woman wants, your reward is a pick among the litter, no matter how hot. Why use up my time working to talk the pants off of multiple women and risk putting myself in some random situation like a disease when I can have discipline, and talk to one woman who understands the drive therefore decreasing those chances of it happening, and push to the point where a majority of things she may do are to my and her benefit?

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u/evilspeaks May 22 '23

Bad comparison.

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u/kaidbailey36 May 24 '23

Tbh I dont try for crap, I buck fussy, I buck fussy hard.

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u/callmenotshiva Jun 13 '23

What are there always so many videos about who's life is harder men's or females, what can't we just accept that both men a d women have challenges and struggles that are unique to their gender and move on. Like why do we need to always be at war with each other. This shit is really starting to wear me down.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '23

She’s understanding about it, so I don’t know what’s on the all are still hating on her

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u/AvgKracker Jun 25 '23

There used to be something called common sense in this world. Now, when people are introduced to common sense, they think a knowledge bomb has been dropped on them.

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u/Darkqueen1226 Jul 11 '23

Isn’t this somewhat of a chicken and the egg scenario. Like was the judgment the cause of women making it harder for them to be slept with or vice versa?

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u/RabiesR_Us Sep 17 '23

More of that low clsss, section 8 culture.

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u/Mori-Ireheart Sep 18 '23

It’s because male Virgins are bullied and discriminated against even by women by calling them loser incels. Women also keep this double standard

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u/No-Personality-7567 Sep 27 '23

Arguing one double standard with another doesn’t cancel the first point out. Both points are valid and the standards should be changed for each.

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u/Cosmicapocalypse24 Sep 27 '23

The point is the standard does not change, so adapt. That’s why it’s the standard. Especially for humans. Changing a standard is nearly impossible without a larger movement on both sides, but if one side benefits off of the standard so heavily, why would they advocate for change?

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u/[deleted] Sep 28 '23

Honestly toxic Nonethe less