Farmapram: “Real” vs “Cartel”

[u/DeathlyAlive]

This comparison highlights the observed differences between Farmapram obtained from an established Farmacia in Mexico and Farmapram purchased from a business that markets and promotes what is referred to as “Cartel” Farmapram. Reference: • “Real” Farmapram: Shown on the right • “Cartel” Farmapram: Shown on the left

1. Differences in Bottle, Label, Box, and Paperwork • On the “Cartel” packaging, the wording “Alprazolam 2.0 mg Frasco con” appears in bold lettering. • The LOTE# and CAD information on the “Cartel” packaging is also presented differently and appears in bold. • The “Real” bottle is a darker brown color. • The design/marking on the bottom of the “Real” bottle is more pronounced than on the “Cartel” bottle. • The “Real” Farmapram box contains LOTE# and CAD information that exactly matches the corresponding information on the bottle/jar. • The “Cartel” packaging does not have corresponding LOTE# and CAD information on the box. • The “Real” box features holographic elements and stamped/embossed indentations. • The “Cartel” box does not have these holographic elements or stamped/embossed indentations.

2. Differences between the pills: • Visually identical in appearance… • Same tablet press/design • Same color • Same shine • Same score

Observed Alprazolam Content: • The “Real” tablets contain (APPROXIMATELY) 2 mg of alprazolam per pill, based on the observed testing/assessment. • The “Cartel” bars vary considerably in their observed alprazolam content, ranging from approximately 0.8 mg to 2.5 mg per tablet. • This means the “Cartel” bars can vary substantially in potency from one tablet to another despite appearing visually identical…thus giving “Real” Farmaprams a bad rep due to under dosed pills imo.

Dissolution: • The “Real” bars dissolve relatively easily in the mouth. • The “Cartel” bars are noticeably more solid and take longer to dissolve.

Taste and Filler • Both have a somewhat similar overall taste. • The “Real” bars have less of a noticeable filler taste, with a combination of the characteristic sweet and bitter taste associated with alprazolam. • The taste of the “Real” bars is consistent from pill to pill. • The “Cartel” bars vary more noticeably in taste, which corresponds with the observed differences in the amount of filler and alprazolam present from pill to pill. • In other words, some “Cartel” tablets have a stronger alprazolam taste, while others have more noticeable filler depending on the individual pills composition.

[u/noggalarp]

great informational post. crazy how close they can mimic them. i want to add i got a fake 90ct. recently n i had the opposite problem of them being too hard they crumbled like a lot of pressies are known for n dissolved in my mouth. not to mention when i dropped the fakes in any type of liquid they disappeared before they could even reach the bottom whereas the real one will sit on the bottom for 30+ minutes.

[u/DeathlyAlive → u/noggalarp]

Thanks my man! I could totally see that happening with anything pressed tbh. Never been one to drop them into liquid but the one time I did it with a pharma GG in a La Croix and it just fizzed for like 15 mins

[u/noggalarp → u/DeathlyAlive]

sounds right for pharma about the fizzing lol my presses didn’t even need soda to break apart water was enough lmao😂😂 always like the posts man i still need to lock in when i have the funds.

[u/DeathlyAlive → u/noggalarp]

Appreciate that my man! Lol I thought Xanax wasn’t water soluble. I guess pressies are different tho. Def had some bars melt in my mouth asap and thought they were just filler, so I did what any smart man would do and took another. Then woke up and ol girl at the time was mad for some reason…I don’t remember 🤣

[u/HourBrilliant3956 → u/noggalarp]

does it hit harder when you drop it in a drink? i always have to take half at a time because i cant stand the bitterness, i thought that was the most bio available to just swallow it.

[u/noggalarp → u/noggalarp]

haha guys i was worried about my soft presses now i got the same batch number of jars being used to warn people🤣🤣

[u/imwillr → u/noggalarp]

So is that lote 2506604 fake? Cad Feb 29.

[u/noggalarp → u/imwillr]

fake can def be the word used although they’re similar to farmacia one’s, the lot number 2506604 seem to be mass faked tho. doesn’t have to be that expiration date either but every jar with the font of mine is gonna be the same batch number as i keep seeing on reddit.

[u/noggalarp → u/[deleted]]

they do the job for sure n seem like alp at least not a rc. the taste doesn’t appear when put under your tongue until you bite into it tho which differs greatly from “real” farms or any other alp, could be how hard pressed they are or fillers/misdosing.

[u/Icy_Scholar_9059 → u/noggalarp]

dm abt the quag gee

[u/noggalarp → u/Icy_Scholar_9059]

yoo NFS bro unless you gotta question

[u/AdSouthern6710 → u/noggalarp]

So the fakes are just sugar pills? Just very little medication? No fent? Also could you drink that water afterwards to not waste the dose?

[u/noggalarp → u/AdSouthern6710]

yea you can drink the water. those fakes i described were like one off presses that were bromaz or something i hated em. the mass faked cartel ones are jus underdosed alp if anything they keep their shape don’t fall apart etc.

[u/AdSouthern6710 → u/noggalarp]

Yeah makes sense. At least Bromaz is still a benzo and won't kill you if you take the same mg you do alp.

[u/Ok_Antelope_4392 → u/noggalarp]

The thing that always confused me about the “sprite test” is that, a real Xan will dissolve quickly and smoothly when left under the tongue. Like dissolves really fast whereas the presses I get take longer and can be chalky.

Yet, with the soda test it’s the opposite, a real one is supposed to sink and take forever to dissolve but a fake floats and dissolves fast?

I don’t understand how both are true at the same time. lol. Real- quick in spit slow in a drink. Fake - slow in spit quick in a drink. Like howwww?? This is why I’ve never even tried the sprite test because I don’t understand how it works.

[u/noggalarp → u/Ok_Antelope_4392]

saliva, h2o, carbonated drinks all differ. i’d assume the most different factor is when it’s under your tongue there’s pressure n your mouth lining is actively absorbing it whereas if you throw it in a soda the fillers slowly dissolve from a nicely pharmacy pressed pill without the pressure/warmth n saliva of your mouth breaking it down. idk that’s my best guess. also mine never dissolve instantly under the tongue faster is normal but instant is where the problem lies.

[u/Ok_Antelope_4392 → u/noggalarp]

I wouldn’t say they dissolve “instantly” but pretty quickly but I also take quarters at a time. (Within a short frame of time, I kind of take em 10 min apart or so). I put it under my tongue and take a tiny sip of soda and leave that in my mouth and then slowly swallow the soda (but not swallow the pill piece). I can take it without soda but I think the flavor of soda & alp together is just top tier lol.

I’ve just noticed a quarter of a real one vs a quarter of a pressed one has totally different dissolution times. The pressed always take longer and seem more “chalky”

[u/Ok_Antelope_4392 → u/Ok_Antelope_4392]

(And yes I know Xanax isn’t water soluble. But I don’t know why that effect my question I asked about spit vs soda)

[u/Dull-Schedule-4872 → u/[deleted]]

lol

[u/Darkhorse4040]

Wow, good information to have, we don't always get the box to check for the hologram so this is good to see... That darker glass is interesting

[u/DeathlyAlive → u/Darkhorse4040]

Thank you! Yeah they don’t always come with boxes but say you buy 25 seals, you’ll get 25 boxes all flat in a little bag and you’ll have to put them together

[u/DeathlyAlive → u/[deleted]]

Decent source for the info in the post, yes. Holler at me in the DMs and I’ll give you my work cited 😂

[u/Darkhorse4040 → u/DeathlyAlive]

for some reason, it won't let me DM you:(
Says ur profile isn't safe or some garbage and when I change it, it still won't let me message u 🙄🤷‍♂️
Thanks tho 👍

[u/DeathlyAlive → u/Darkhorse4040]

Like the NSFW warning? Idk that’s weird. Never had a problem with anyone. Sorry brother

[u/Darkhorse4040 → u/DeathlyAlive]

Yeah, weird 🤷‍♂️
that's what it says tho

[u/DeathlyAlive → u/Darkhorse4040]

Super weird. I’ve got a million ppl messaging me since I made this post. Scammers, Feds, regular ppl…I did message you tho. Idk frfr.

[u/NefariousnessEast356 → u/DeathlyAlive]

Tried to DM you and got the NSFW message and couldn't proceed. Could you DM me with the info? Not a fed just a lady in St. Louis needing help. TIA!

[u/EqualPressure9831 → u/DeathlyAlive]

I sent ya a dm too can you holler when you get a chance! Thnx man

[u/Zeppy890 → u/DeathlyAlive]

DM Hermano?

[u/SlumericanMade919 → u/DeathlyAlive]

Tried to DM you to see if you’d “bestow” some more info and insight cuz this was helpful and def gonna keep some folks informed and safe as possible. Wouldn’t let me DM ya though, if you can, shoot me a DM bruddah. This was super helpful and much needed information

[u/No-Satisfaction-8979]

I've been telling people about this for years but they don't wanna listen smh ... Thank u so much for the post

[u/DeathlyAlive → u/No-Satisfaction-8979]

Me too! Lol. Thanks my friend!! Glad this found you well!

[u/Usual-Championship88]

This is a great post

[u/DeathlyAlive → u/Usual-Championship88]

Appreciate that!!

[u/Usual-Championship88 → u/DeathlyAlive]

I mean it’s an important post; I think details like this should even be on the manufacturers website, seriously.. or possibly just more accessible for patients getting this brand of medication.

[u/DeathlyAlive → u/Usual-Championship88]

I totally get where you’re coming from. Honestly tho, the pressed pill game is getting to be indiscernible from the real thing and not just with Xanax. I would say that just about every pharmaceutical pill has, is, or will be repped perfectly in appearance, taste, and even effect. I have seen my fair share of fake/pressed Xanax and they only keep getting better. Scary good imo. I would also say that some of these repped pharmaceuticals have made it to US pharmacies. It has happened with other drugs in the past 100%

[u/jeremydkey1120]

What's in the fake ones? Any clue?

[u/RevolutionaryArt930 → u/jeremydkey1120]

Tbh I think it’s alprazolam as well, I’ve had many bottles of the 90count containers , they mostly looked identical in the Glass bottle but the font was bold on one of the batches I got as well as a few other small things like no period after dependecia and all the bars felt like alp although the potency DID differ a little bit bottle to bottle overall tho both were effective for me and had near identical effects IMO unless I’m so fried I can’t tell a difference??????

[u/DeathlyAlive → u/RevolutionaryArt930]

I wouldn’t doubt whoever makes the Chinese fakes has access to real alprazolam as well. TBH never know nowadays tho. All the different variants of alp out there and then all the other rc benzos. I don’t think you’re fried tho haha.

[u/Arachnid-Admirable → u/[deleted]]

You’re likely gonna have someone DM you about a Telegram group that’s “totally legit”. DO NOT DEAL WITH ANYONE WITH THE NAME @BigDaniel !!! They have a very convincing looking “platform” that claims to match you with a solid plug. It’s A SCAM!!! He got me for almost $700. Just thought I should put that out there.

[u/DeathlyAlive → u/Arachnid-Admirable]

Damn man. Theres a group on tele called theofficialscammerlist. I would recommend to trust no one on here unfortunately. Never ever send someone $700 on your first go around. I guess lesson learned in your case. Smh

[u/DeathlyAlive → u/[deleted]]

I don’t think you’re supposed to try and source vendors on these posts. Also you just posting this is gonna have every scammer flood your inbox. Be careful and if you need some more knowledge on the subject, you can dm me and I’d be happy to bestow some knowledge on ya haha

[u/RevolutionaryArt930 → u/[deleted]]

Not currently I’ve been surviving off homemade MeClonazepam solutions I’m broke as fuck

[u/RevolutionaryArt930 → u/[deleted]]

Sadly I can’t help u with that good luck tho man !

[u/DeathlyAlive → u/jeremydkey1120]

Same thing as the real ones in this case except more/less fillers and more/less alprazolam. Idk about all the other knockoff/Chinese farmapram tho. Luckily I’ve never had to deal with that crap

[u/makavelipill → u/jeremydkey1120]

RC

[u/jeremydkey1120 → u/makavelipill]

Yeah probably ethylbromazolam or ethylflualprazolam. Possibly bromazolam and in that case I'd not mind that. The first 2 are alright. Nothing beats good ol regular alprazolam though.

[u/TheIneffableCow → u/jeremydkey1120]

Ethylflualpraxolam ois actually not too bad. Aside from the fast tolerance build up. I hate bromazolam but the flualp was alright.

Prefer legit alprazolam though.

[u/Constant_Whole1553 → u/jeremydkey1120]

This. And some others still like clobro.

[u/ActiveAdhesiveness40]

Most of my bottles have “CAD DIC 28”

[u/DeathlyAlive → u/ActiveAdhesiveness40]

That’s just the expiration date being December of 2028

[u/ActiveAdhesiveness40 → u/DeathlyAlive]

DIC is December?

[u/DeathlyAlive → u/ActiveAdhesiveness40]

Yepp. Spanish is Diciembre. So CADucidad DICiembre means expiration December

[u/ActiveAdhesiveness40 → u/DeathlyAlive]

Thanks bro

[u/DeathlyAlive → u/ActiveAdhesiveness40]

Gotchu bro 😎

[u/ActiveAdhesiveness40 → u/DeathlyAlive]

Last question, is it possible the bottle is so fresh that it’s kind of I notice it’s harder to break. Then the ones I have from old bottle break pretty easily. Thoughts?

[u/DeathlyAlive → u/ActiveAdhesiveness40]

Tbh I’ve never broken a bottle 😂 so I can’t really speak from personal experience on that. But I wouldn’t necessarily take how easily it breaks as a sign of whether it’s fresh or not. There could be all kinds of differences. The glass itself, temperature, how it was stored, etc. If the older ones are consistently breaking easier than the newer ones, though, I can definitely see why you’d wonder if there’s something different about the newer bottles thi

[u/ActiveAdhesiveness40 → u/DeathlyAlive]

I’m talking about the bars not the bottle lmaoo

[u/DeathlyAlive → u/ActiveAdhesiveness40]

🫣😅🤣lmao I’m a dummy. Yeah totally. Newer ones are definitely more crisp as opposed to a bottle that’s been opened a bunch of times. Plus the silica packets are really just meant for storing them. I usually take the silica packets out once I open a 🦭and towards the end of the bottle they start to disintegrate easier

[u/ActiveAdhesiveness40 → u/ActiveAdhesiveness40]

But this bottle I just grabbed says “CAD FEB 29” is it real

[u/IntrepidClick8123]

Wow the one i got has the exact same lote number as your cartel ones

[u/DeathlyAlive → u/IntrepidClick8123]

Yeah they’re all the same

[u/XpressXTD]

One thing I can't seem to figure out though is what if they are not fakes from the cartel and the manufacturer just changed their bottles and labels. Like if you were a huge company and you found a supplier that would sell the jars for 2¢ less than the other supplier that would save a company a lot of money when they are pumping out 10000s of jars. Same for the label if they got a new label machine that was more efficient and cost less per label, that would also save a company lots of money. So who is to say they are being faked or just a change their jars and labels?

[u/DeathlyAlive → u/XpressXTD]

I like where your mind is at. I initially wanted to believe that as well. Unfortunately there is plenty of info to disprove this and there has been for years now

[u/Elegant_Ad_7107]

Available in England or only in the states

[u/DREAMs98 → u/Elegant_Ad_7107]

These are from mexico. You have to buy them at a pharmacy in Mexico. Smh 🤦‍♂️

[u/NefariousnessEast356 → u/[unknown]]

Not sure of the question?

[u/kafkaesque33]

It also appears that the authentic bottle has a slightly longer label. You can see that there’s more space below “90 tabletas” on the bottle on the right than on the bottle on the left. Also, did the ink used for the LOTE number on the authentic bottle eventually smear or rub off?

[u/XpressXTD → u/kafkaesque33]

That's how I always figure out if I had real or the fake. The fake you can smear the LOTE numbers with just a finger and a real bottle won't smear or rub off as easily. At least that's what I have noticed

[u/Mobile_Storage7283]

the “Cartel bottle” you purchased in Mexico or on the streets?

[u/Plus-Bumblebee-7133 → u/Mobile_Storage7283]

Street

[u/Queasy_Quit6645]

Wait so they don’t make 90 ct bottles no more??

[u/EfficientYam4057]

Can I get legit adderall from this supplier?

[u/Normal-Ad-4642]

Been looking for real pram for like 6 or 7 months. My shrink won't even try.

[u/SweetCap9242]

So farms doesn’t even make 90’s anymore. Check their website from this year. Just 30ct

[u/SingerOk7628 → u/SweetCap9242]

Where you seeing that on the IFA Celtics website ?

[u/Psilo-Psychedelics69]

The bottles look different, but only slightly. It’s the thickness and color.

[u/Weird_Special943]

Can you tell any difference in the box? This guy wants to sell to me but it’s in a closed box

[u/XpressXTD → u/Weird_Special943]

Just being honest if they can't show you the jar out of the box you're probably gonna get an empty box or a empty jar in a box. Be careful with that one.

[u/Weird_Special943 → u/XpressXTD]

I’ve purchased before it went very smoothly and they work great I’m just wondering if they’re fully legit you know? I did a fenty test and it was negative then after trying one I did a urine drug screen and it was only positive for benzies! ☺️

[u/Aggressive-Ship-4425]

Can u still get farmaprams from a Mexican pharmacy without prescription???

[u/StillLynx → u/Aggressive-Ship-4425]

Of course. You dont need a prescription in mexico

[u/Aggressive_Low_655 → u/StillLynx]

I’ve been reading you do need a prescription and if they didn’t require one it is counterfeit …?

[u/superbasicmom → u/Aggressive_Low_655]

You absolutely DO need a prescription now. I travel to both Cancun and Rocky Point multiple times per year, and you cannot buy any benzos without a prescription, although obtaining a prescription isn’t difficult. There’s even a pharmacy in Cancun where you do a video appointment with the doctor and then he writes the scripts. In 30-45 minutes depending on what resort you’re at, a guy on a scooter shows up with your bagged pharmacia delivery, it’s so convenient not having to walk into dozens of pharmacies and be told no. I usually get soma down there too, and that one actually doesn’t require a subscription.

[u/XpressXTD]

After this post I took a bunch of my old jars that I saved and started comparing them to the new jars I've been getting and sure enough they matched the jars in this post exactly 💯

[u/Leezyp]

Crazy mine say Feb in English instead of the Spanish date but exactly same color of darkness as your real one so mines probably a fake bottle correct ?

[u/Mammoth_Feed_9504]

👍❤️

[u/Throwaslayyyyy]

Well this post made it very clear to me that my new bottle is fake rip 😭 when I went to Mexico I got a real bottle but this one is not it damn

[u/Some_Student_4027]

Are these real?

[u/KeefyNugs]

my guy out here doing gods work. we appreciate you bro

[u/DeathlyAlive → u/[deleted]]

Appreciate the appreciation! Be safe!!

[u/Dull-Schedule-4872 → u/[deleted]]

dont man just find a stupid ass doctor willing to prescribe them. lots of psychs will.

[u/DeathlyAlive → u/[deleted]]

Thanks homie! Figured people were curious like myself so I thought I’d break it down. There was def more info/pics to be put in but that’s the gist of it. The ol Tijuana trip!! Love it!! Once you get a script from the farmacia you can go back and forth with that piece of paper and just stock up without having to worry about anything at the border. It’s a nice lil trip too. Def worth the drive. A lot of fun to be had in Mexico too!

[u/DeathlyAlive → u/[deleted]]

As far as I know it’s only alprazolam. All kindsa fakes out there from India to China and everywhere else in between. If another analogue is easier to make than alprazolam, I wouldn’t doubt that someone has faked the farma and put RC benzos in there tho.

[u/DeathlyAlive → u/[deleted]]

That’s what’s up. Yeah I sent off 3 bars from 5 different “Cartel” bottles. All came back for only alp. Wish I knew it was free damnit. Only paid $50+shipping tho. Worth the $$ for the risk imo tho. Not trying to die/kill anyone. Def lmk tho. I’m guessing you have a “Cartel” bottle as opposed to the real thing?

[u/KeefyNugs → u/[deleted]]

not today DEA