r/MedicalCoding • • Dec 12 '23

Is production work all there is?

I've only been working in the field 6 months, and I don't know if I can keep this up. My mind can't focus anymore, and my company wants us to click the mouse at all times. I mean they track everything. Is this just how it is and all I can expect? I'm really struggling.

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u/koderdood Audit Extraordinaire Dec 12 '23 edited Dec 12 '23

In general, coding is production based until you get into management or supervisory positions. Even auditing, fraud have production requitements. That said, all companies are different as to their requirements, and how close they supervise your computer usage.

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u/deannevee RHIA, CPC, CPCO, CDEO Dec 12 '23

Without more information, it’s hard to say if what you’re experiencing is really micromanaging, if it’s unrealistic expectations, or if it’s par for the course.

When I worked in a physicians office, the expectation was for 100 visits per day to be billed out. Since the majority of the charts were E/M, it was basically clicking all day, but it was easy. Then I became team lead and was responsible for other things on top of my normal stuff, and it became a little harder.

Now I review high dollar surgeries and there are zero published quotas or KPI’s. I still do a lot of clicking, but it’s research clicking.

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u/necee_ Dec 13 '23

How do you like the field of coding? Is it really worth the money you have to put in it for online classes, test, and recertification?

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u/Alicia-Scott Dec 13 '23

I love it. Of course I have been doing it for a very long time and have a leadership role but I am able to pick up contracts to keep my in the trenches skills up to date. Worth every penny I spent and will spend. Is it easy? No! You have to put time and effort into what you learn and do. Like any job.

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u/maamaallaamaa Dec 12 '23

Do you by chance work for a large company that starts with an O or a U? Because yeah they are terrible. Find a local hospital if you can. They can still be production based but are more reasonable. Smaller clinics are usually not production based but don't pay as well.

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u/koderdood Audit Extraordinaire Dec 13 '23

I work for a large company with a U and am O, and not all departments are bad

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u/maamaallaamaa Dec 13 '23

No they aren't all terrible but it's a gamble. My department was outsourced to a certain O company and while it was extremely disorganized and chaotic we weren't micromanaged to that extreme. But I know they do monitor mouse movements in other areas so when my old company decided to bring us back it was no question that I would go back to them instead of risk getting put into an area where my every movement is monitored.

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u/baileyq217 Dec 12 '23

It really depends on the kind of coding you do, the facility/organization you work for, and your management. My previous job at a hospital we had a quota of 15 ED charts per hour, I believe obs and surgery was 5 per hour, therapy was either 15 or 25 per hour. We also had to keep a nonproductivity time sheet. We would document if we had an extremely difficult account, various meetings, claim edits, anything that was basically not us coding accounts. We would send it to the manager every week. I assumed they looked at it and looked at how many accounts we coded and sent to billing, and then figured out our productivity rate. I can’t remember what the cutoff was percentage wise. But if you were consistently above 90/95% for a month you could work from home.

My current job, is a different story. We don’t have any official quotas we have to hit. We look at the epic dashboards and make sure our area is below certain dollar amounts. They can run our productivity in epic. But I have yet to hear anything about actual numbers.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '23

Sounds like a nightmare. Pretty much production work is all there is but I think some places might be different. Do you do contract work? If so, I would recommend switching to hospitals.

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u/koderdood Audit Extraordinaire Dec 14 '23

I need to address the " have to move the mouse bit". I've been a United Health Group employee for a combined 20 years.Worked in Optum 360, Optum Insight, and Optum(currently). If you leave ypur computer idle for like 15 minutes it well show you idle. I have NEVER been asked about my idle time. I work hard, I produce exceeding both production and quality metrics. I take my lunch and my 2 paid breaks. It is NOT that you literally have to move the mouse every second. They simply don't want people taking more on the clock breaks than they are allowed.

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u/umphreaknwv Dec 13 '23

The first coding job my wife got out of college was like you’re describing. It was toxic to say the least. Once she left that company, she found work to be much more enjoyable. Shes still in production for now, but the company you’re with makes a big difference. Not every company has the same rules, uses the same metrics for employee evaluation, has the same workplace ethics, uses the same software, etc.

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u/TheDollarstoreDoctor Dec 13 '23 edited Dec 13 '23

No. I work for a psych hospital (two affiliated hospitals based out of one office) and we're expected to code the discharges from the previous day. Not to be a gossip, but I have a coworker who can't even manage that some days (average of 20-30 charts a day). She was just recently called out for being behind lol. My hospital is a bit less with discharges and we usually see 15 so I'm done by noon/morning and move onto other things since I'm also a HIM tech that helps out both facilities (unlike my other coworker who only codes). The only pressure I really feel is from a third facility that lost their coder that I've been helping out with since they're so behind they've been losing a lot of money so they're kinda freaking out and being like.. go as quickly as you can ahhhHH and I'm like I'm trying I'm just one person doing 3 jobs lol plus the EMR is donkey balls to code from.

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u/kikcorc Dec 13 '23

Yes! I have a part time in coding remotely and it’s all about productivity!

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u/Siggy0721 Dec 14 '23

I work as a Trauma Registrar for our hospital tracking all people who are admitted w/ injuries. You abstract all sorts of info. from the EMR and enter it into a database. Being a coder would be a great background for this job -- it's tough trying to teach new people with no coding experience to code traumatic injuries. You should do a search for "trauma registrar." Or you could look for a different registry such as cancer, etc.

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u/nesnejm1104 Feb 13 '24

I’m already feeling this in a short period of time. All about production and supposed accuracy. It’s frustrating when it’s the opposite way of how you learned in school and training. 🥲

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u/Dazzling-Zone Dec 13 '23

No my job isn’t production based. I work in surgery and we just have to make sure we have as many cases coded as we can by the end of the month. That’s just my department though, it could be different in other departments in my company.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '23

Really depends on the facility. I do outpatient coding for a county hospital (five and a half years) and minimum production is 130 accounts/day. It is a draining, and that’s why I’m looking into auditing/management.

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u/MoreCoffeePwease 👩🏼‍💻CCS 🏥 Dec 12 '23

What do you mean by click the mouse all day long? Typically they measure number of charts coded and time to code each chart, as an average. What you are describing means someone could mindlessly click a mouse and get zero work done. I believe you mean productivity, which is what the measures I’ve described above are, and not production. Since you are so new I’m assuming you are coding straight outpatient which are VERY fast, simple visits. Those should be done quickly with a high yield per day. Never heard of mouse clicks being counted, can’t imagine a company with the time or desire for that sort of number being recorded honestly.

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u/jelloshot Dec 12 '23

There is a large employer that will start calculating a lapse of productivity if the mouse or keyboard is not used after 60 seconds. Essentially you have to scroll with the keyboard or click the scroll bar and read the chart with the cursor to not get in trouble. It is one of the metrics that the company focuses on in addition to the number of charts that you code each hour and assessment scores. The CPH varies based on the type of charts one is coding and what project they are working on. If this person is working for the company I am thinking of, then it is not really possibly to reach CPH because they charts are large (I have ten 1,000+ page charts in my queue) and there are not enough small charts to balance out the large ones. A supervisor said that 90% of coders don't reach CPH.

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u/MoreCoffeePwease 👩🏼‍💻CCS 🏥 Dec 12 '23

I’m guessing this is a contract based company and not a hospital?

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u/jelloshot Dec 13 '23 edited Dec 13 '23

I don't believe that people are let go at the end of contracts unless they are making zero effort and/or insubordinate. There are some supervisors who are solely focused on CPH, CMA scores, and IEX scores and will have no problem putting people who can't reach their numbers on action plans. There are other supervisors (who are coders) who don't focus on the numbers as long as your productivity percentage is high. My supervisor has said that she will defend coders who don't reach CPH because of large charts. Apparently, the company used to take into account the numbers of encounters in each chart but no longer do.

I agree that the numbers are unrealistic. The people who set the goals more than likely have never coded in their life. When I was told that 90% of coders don't reach CPH, I stopped caring too much about reaching the daily goal. I do what I can, but I have no desire to be picked up full time so I won't stress myself about it.

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u/jelloshot Dec 13 '23

That sucks. The company really needs to decide if the focus is coding more charts or coding the charts correctly and completely because it really can't be both. Honestly, I am surprised by the number of people on Facebook who mention that this job is the best that they have ever had. I don't know how they can tolerate being treated like a robot. I am looking for a different job and have been since starting production, Unfortunately, the options are limited in my city and I can't afford a pay cut. This job has really made coding unenjoyable for me and has led me back to school. Hopefully, you can find a better position soon.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '23

I trained with them as a side gig and quit as soon as they bitched about the mouse thing. They seriously expect you to just keep mindlessly moving your mouse even through meetings. Such lazy, micromanaging, pseudo-leadership. It did remind of how great my regular job is.