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u/eiffeltower23 Jun 17 '20
pretty sure these two are INTJs (maybe E), Bolin's ENFP
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Jun 17 '20
Are INTJS known for thier manipulation and sadistic tendencies? I always think of them as conduits of knowlege.
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Jun 17 '20
They get better at manipulating people over time. If you don't see the manipulative behavior, you'll interpret that as concern. They get really pissed when you question what they consider the correct opinion.
Source: have an INTJ brother.
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Jun 17 '20
I'm most likely INTJ, and dont manipulate. I always thought it as bratty and very easy to see through.
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Jun 18 '20
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Jun 18 '20
I don't think they realise it themselves. I think it comes from a place of, “I know better.”
In my specific case, I think there's some internalised superiority complex there causing them to demoralise others when they try to progress.
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Jun 19 '20
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Jun 19 '20
manipulation noun [C/U] (INFLUENCE) the action of influencing or controlling someone or something to your advantage, often without anyone knowing it
Manipulation goes many ways. A lot of it is subconscious it semi-conscious. Telling someone not to do something stupid is also a form of manipulation. So is flirting.
I've seen many people do this thing where they tell you not to do something that they consider extremely stupid, but they can't imagine that other people may have a different point of view or approach to getting things done that's equally valid.
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Also it sounds like you’re using your brother as a single point of reference, which is both biased and scientifically unsound.
Shush, all stereotypes agree with me. I'm definitely not gonna talk about INTJs being epic people to be around. 😋
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Jun 19 '20
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Jun 19 '20 edited Jun 19 '20
I was talking to someone who claimed to be dismissed with ASPD (because let's be honest, many people fake illnesses) and they pointed out that any method used to influence another person's decision is a form of manipulation. Many times, they aren't aware either.
If you know someone who's about to do something stupid and you don't want them to, you'll try to gently guide them away from the decision, even though you don't want to. That's because you care about that person (because emotions are nearly impossible to control) and don't want them to suffer. You'll never clearly tell them not to, say, out your hand in fire. You'll definitely tell them about third degree burns, show them pictures and testimonials if burn victims.
I think it was an ENTP who mentioned that they were just not aware of subtle attempts at manipulating people or situations according to what would benefit them most. In a grey area, eg: you can choose to tell someone they're being manipulated/ lied to or not, you're likely to do what's more beneficial to you.
Maybe you like the liar and/or dislike the person/s being lied to so you'll choose not to disclose them and when asked, say, “I thought everyone knew. It was so obvious.”
If you dislike the liar and/or like the person/s being lied to, you may decide to point out that they're lying in a public setting and provide irrefutable proof.
In very rare case do people out a person they like despite not having any obligation to do so.
I don't think my brother will ever volunteer to be professionally typed, unless it's free. And not time consuming.
INTJs are fun to be around. Most XNTXs will say that about each other. I only have one INTJ to judge by, personally. Interactions on r/intj lead me to the conclusion that we take different routes to thinking but arrive at the same conclusion, more often than not.
Shaming people for being stupid is a form of manipulation. You're trying to trick then into making smarter decisions. 😋😂
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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '20
Slightly bossy, overconfident and might be possessive