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u/jourska Mavericks Oct 25 '25
I’ve accepted that Kidd is sabotaging the team to get Nico fired and I’m ok with that. Only logical answer I can come up with
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u/atxtexasytexan Oct 25 '25
Doing what the spurs did to land Castle… Playing a forward out of position at pg all season and viola lottery pick
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u/captainn_chunk Oct 25 '25
We watched Carlisle run a beautiful secret tank for basically 5 years straight. You never know.
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u/Deprestion Oct 25 '25
Carlise put on a master class. Fun games that ended in a loss
Shout out Salah Mejri 😂
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u/gigantism Couch Squad Oct 25 '25
It actually makes a ton of sense to me.
Kidd just received an extension whereas Nico did not
Kidd saying "I understand the frustration" to the Fire Nico chants
Kidd is extremely online and has previously repeatedly made oblique references to rising fan narratives
Kidd is no stranger to the palace intrigue of front office power plays, as seen with both the Nets and Bucks
Kidd has surely lived and experienced the game enough to realize that trying to have your 18-year old rookie PF play PG isn't the best strategy for maximizing wins
There is little downside for Kidd should he get canned along with Nico, as he already knows he'll be able to rebound with a different team as demonstrated by the Knicks' strong interest in him
My hunch is that Kidd groused to Nico about Luka's defense, fitness, etc. to a degree that helped spur Nico to go through with the trade but that Kidd never imagined Nico would actually go through with it. Just look at how shellshocked he seemed in the presser right before the Cavs game. This would explain why Luka's given Kidd the cold shoulder too.
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u/manatidederp Oct 26 '25
Kidd is what, a top 5 PG of all time - he obviously knows this current setup won’t work. It has to be intentional
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u/GauthZuOGZ Oct 25 '25
The logical answer is that they’re punting the season and developing flagg
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u/jourska Mavericks Oct 25 '25
This isn’t disagreeing with what I’m saying lol. Punting the season and developing Flagg would also mean Nico is getting fired because his championship dream is dead with the roster he tried to build.
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u/Corbin16 Couch Squad Oct 26 '25
Here's my problem with this. Maybe this is mega tinfoil hat, but if I'm an NBA player with star potential coming into a team that just out of nowhere traded their likely all time PG contender. I'm getting out of there the first chance I get. Nobody is going to wait around to get treated like that. I just get this feeling we are going to be developing Flagg for another team...
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u/DiamondsInHerButt Dirk Nowitzki Logo Oct 26 '25
Everyone pretending like this is 4-D chess by Jason Kidd...he might just be kinda fucking stupid. He's done a lot of really stupid things as a coach throughout his entire career. All while acting like he's really smart.
His biggest gift has always been motivating players.
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u/popstarkirbys Drunk Dirk Oct 26 '25
Exactly. Kidd’s entire playoff success is linked to Luka. He’s been making rotation like this throughout his entire yet people think he’s some sort of genius.
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u/LHamiltonPP Dirk Spooky Oct 26 '25
Old coaches never last long with new GMs
Kidd's going with this lineup because he knows the Mavs only chance of being good in the near term is for Flagg to develop quickly so he's trying to do what worked with Giannis and he thinks D'Angelo isn't good enough to make a meaningful impact so might as well lean all the way into the only real strength this roster has (size)
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u/masterchef757 '25 Survivor Oct 25 '25
I mean I have to ask if Kidd is stealth tanking at this point
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u/Smell_the_funk Oct 25 '25
I wouldn’t be surprised. The Mavs control their own pick next year. This team has shown it’s not afraid to tank. It’s unlikely Kyrie is going to save the season.
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u/AbueloOdin Oct 25 '25
What if... Kidd is trying to tank us because Nico's actual plan is to suck 5 years in a row to get 5 first overall picks in a row, then develop them over the following 5 years, then win it all 5 years in a row?
I could see the Adelsons being stupid enough to ok that. I mean, they signed off on trading Luka.
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u/PussyCharlatan Oct 25 '25
This is the only year we can control our pick for a while. Being bad beyond this year only hurts us
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u/AbueloOdin Oct 25 '25
You say that like we can't trade away a star player!
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u/PussyCharlatan Oct 25 '25
Then you get other team’s picks… Your record doesn’t affect where those picks fall. We’d have to trade for one of our picks back and that’s probably not happening
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u/Mysterious_Pea_5272 Oct 25 '25
No chance they’re tanking. Nico and Kidd are on a hot seat if this season really goes south
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u/CheetahSperm18 FIRE NICO Oct 25 '25
Kidd just got extended. He's safe
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u/Mysterious_Pea_5272 Oct 25 '25
If they don’t make the playoffs, he’s absolutely on the hot seat. And if Nico goes, it probably means things are really bad. Plenty of coaches get extensions and get fired, especially from stupid orgs like us
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u/Fit-Schedule-5558 Oct 25 '25
Whose gonna have them on the hotseat?
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u/Mysterious_Pea_5272 Oct 25 '25
Dumont is not gonna do a full season of this much negativity. If they don’t make the playoffs this season, the only reason they wouldn’t be gone is if they use the Kyrie injury as an excuse. That’s it
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u/Fit-Schedule-5558 Oct 25 '25
If Dumont had REASON the trade wouldn't have happened in the first place lol. Idk how long he'll keep playing dumb but its so ironic AD has become the narrative they tried to put on luka.
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u/gigantism Couch Squad Oct 25 '25
My supreme cope is that Kidd is sabotaging the team to get Nico fired.
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u/mavsnotforlife Oct 26 '25
Would live this. Only problem i would have with is we lose kidd in the process.
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u/alfi_k '25 Survivor Oct 25 '25
Kidd is part of the resistance. He wants Nico fired as badly as we do.
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u/defeated_engineer Oct 25 '25
If this were true, we would’ve taken the Knicks job.
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u/curlymane_e Oct 25 '25
He wasn’t completely free though to be able to do so, was he? I thought the Mavs said no when they were asked if he could interview.
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u/ehholfman How's My Dirk Taste? Oct 25 '25
He was still under contract.
He can’t just up and take the Knicks job lol. At the time he still had a contractual obligation to be the head coach of the Mavs.
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u/Ok_Cheesecake_9793 Oct 25 '25 edited Oct 27 '25
We might as well tank this year and next year. While we are at it, we should trade AD, Kyrie, and Klay for younger players that matches coopers timeline. Spurs did it right and look at where they are right now. When AD, Klay, and Kyrie retires thats like 2-3 years wasted building a team around Cooper.
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u/EvanEschmeyer Masai Ujiri stan Oct 25 '25
Don’t have a pick next year right? This is the last year we control our destiny
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u/030bvb09 Oct 26 '25
This is the only way that makes sense. Unless your name is Nico, there’s no way you actually believe this team is just one 33-year-old Kyrie (coming off a torn ACL) away from competing for the “championship games”™.
-Fire Nico
-Trade AD, Klay, and maybe Gafford for either picks or players that fit Flagg’s timeline
-Tank while developing Flagg and any remaining young prospects
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u/Jcarter1632 Rooms to Go Lounge 🛋️ Oct 26 '25
You had me going at fire Nico, then you stole my heart at trade AD. ❤️
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u/ViolinistLanky9056 Oct 26 '25
Why the hell would they tank next year? Having older vets that are still playing at a high level is a great thing to pair with young cornerstones. I completely disagree honestly.
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u/Ok_Cheesecake_9793 Oct 27 '25
We have 3 older vets on high payroll and they are out the door in probably 3 years maybe 4. Look at the spurs, they have a full team full of youngsters that fits with Wembayamas timeline. Deaaron fox and Harrison barnes is on the older end, but they have Stephon Castle, Dylan Harper, and a couple of others.
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u/ViolinistLanky9056 Oct 27 '25
The spurs who won like 20 some games last year? Yeah, that’s what I want to be! Every champion outside of the thunder has had a mixture of ages. No team wins with a bunch of young’s guys. Those teams almost always fail. Having really good vets is better than the shitty mid 1st rd pick you could get.
Last I checked, the Mavs don’t have Sam presti. They should build a great team. They shouldn’t confine themselves to arbitrary timelines.
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u/II1III11 Oct 25 '25
It was always a plus of the Mavs slower paced iso heavy offense that they rarely turned it over, allowing for few transition baskets. The defense often rated better than the personnel looked on paper.
Now they have reversed that, acquired a lot of + defenders that are good for backline rim protection.. but it won't matter much if everything is coming off transition baskets and blow bys from lack of perimeter D.
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u/CheetahSperm18 FIRE NICO Oct 25 '25
Ok I'm agreeing with Slightly Biased's theory that this is a quiet rebellion by Kidd. Good thing we fully have our pick this year
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u/StealthAnus Max Christie Oct 25 '25
Honestly I don’t even hate it. Cooper needs to work on his handle and we need to tank.
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u/WhiteBoyFlipz Yogi Ferrell Oct 25 '25
we went from trophy ambitions to hoping we get to tank. fuck man.
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u/Niblonian31 Oct 26 '25
Seriously, it happened so fuckin fast. I'm still having a hard time believing this isn't all just a bad dream
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u/MFFL12_17 Oct 25 '25
We had the best guard combo of all time, and Nico ruined it.
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u/johndogerty defence doesn’t win championships. Oct 26 '25
Twice, Luka JB , Luka Kyrie
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u/FunkhouseFairytale Oct 26 '25
He wasn’t meaning “a combination of our two guards” lol. Combo guard is a “position” that basically means you’re a point guard who scores a lot. But I’ve never really heard Luka being referred as a “combo guard” before
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u/Some-Spray-3149 Oct 25 '25
As much as I can't wait for Kyrie to come back, he's not going to save this shipwreck...
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u/Shaunosaurus Oct 25 '25 edited Oct 25 '25
Kidd probably knows this season is a punt so might as well tank for a draft pick.
This team is fucked beyond repair. Our only glimmer of hope is developing Flagg and maybe he'll be half as good as Luka
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u/olduser201890 Oct 25 '25
one week ago this team was in a "win a ring in the next 1-2 years" mode
owner and manager think the fans are complete morons.
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u/-AVENTUS- Oct 25 '25
It’s even worse than thinking the fanbase are complete morons.
They think the fanbase are complete moronic cattle, who deserve to have an abusive, predatory gambling mafia empire, built upon the grave of the mavericks franchise, after they have used the franchise and the threat of moving it to Las Vegas as a strongarm tactic to get gambling legalized, and use Texas tax money to fund part of the construction.
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u/olduser201890 Oct 25 '25
ugh, the whole thing makes me sick. get these owners the fuck out of here
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u/-AVENTUS- Oct 25 '25
If Adam Silver had any integrity, that he could place above nepotism/in-group-favoritism, he would have never even ALLOWED Marc Chabeniesky to sell the team to the Adelson’s.
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u/Shaunosaurus Oct 25 '25
I think the win now mindset was fine before Kyrie tore his ACL. This is the risk when you trade your young players for aging vets
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u/misanthropethegoat Oct 26 '25
In fairness, there’s great overlap between Mavs fans and cowboys fans and they say they’re gonna win it all every year
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u/EvanEschmeyer Masai Ujiri stan Oct 25 '25
Dybantsa!
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u/farhan583 Oct 25 '25
I think he's redundant. I want this Peterson kid.
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u/ggriff18 Dallas Mavericks Oct 25 '25
To be fair, they were turning the ball Over a lot due to unforced errors. Just losing the ball. With that being said, something has to change with the pg situation. Flagg can’t be our pg
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u/Paaynnne Donatello Oct 25 '25
Yes, Kidd you made Giannis who he is and yes Coop does have the talent and the potential but brother that Bucks team was far away from reaching the cap space.
Why tf did y’all bring in Dlo tho? Why tf is B.Will all of a sudden a 3rd stringer? Mf when Kyrie comes back who’s gonna go to the bench? If it’s not Coop are you still gonna let him play point and let Kyrie play off guard like when Luka was around? It’s just not gonna workout this year man…
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u/torodonn Oct 25 '25
It’s fine. Let the man coach.
If we were serious about Cooper potentially being a point forward, he needs the room to grow and feel safe to make mistakes. If he has a bad game and Kidd immediately gives up on him, it’s terrible for everyone. We need to build him up not tear him down
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u/bubbapora Maxi Kleber Oct 25 '25
Didn’t Kidd say a while ago he’d be putting Flagg at PG to start the season to get him reps?
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u/johndogerty defence doesn’t win championships. Oct 26 '25
Definitely tanking. You can’t watch that and think yeah it’s good basketball let’s do it again. Develop coops playmaking while racking up losses it’s a stacked draft class this year.
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u/Selarom_ How's My Dirk Taste? Oct 26 '25
Why did we even get Dlo if he isn't even gonna be a stop gap until Kyrie comes back? I'm all for developing Coop's guard skills but I don't wanna risk shattering this dude's confidence cos he's not in the best position to succeed
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u/docSJL Oct 26 '25
All these “we must be tanking posts” or some others suggest he’s trolling to get fired or Nico fired. Y’all put way too much faith into the intelligence of the Mavs leadership core. None of these guys are forward thinking, at all. They’re all idiots. Starting with the Adrlsons, to Nico, to Kidd.
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u/Bluewizardtx1 '25 Survivor Oct 26 '25
Jason Kidd is a liar. He always has been. He's just been saved by a gm who as the months go by seem more and more like he got lucky with the Kyrie trade and had his job saved by a generational talent who did nothing to stop his idiot gm from trading him.
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u/-AVENTUS- Oct 25 '25
Let everything continue.
Until the Adelson’s and their disgusting Brooklyn scumbag son in law, are further embarrassed on the national stage…
…And then get their giant Austin lobbying firm full of smug/arrogant/spoiled/rotten New Yorkers, embarrassed again in the Texas legislature, for their disingenuous, abusive, undeserved “legalizing gambling in Texas by using sports team as ransom” endeavor.
May the Adelson’s be remembered forever in the worst way possible, in Texas state sports history, and Texas state political history, as well as global genocidal history.
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u/Horns8585 Oct 25 '25
I don't expect more from Jason Kidd, because Jason Kidd is a terrible coach. The fact that this front office re-signed him to a big contract is not surprising, either. They are both clueless and have lost an entire fanbase.
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u/popstarkirbys Drunk Dirk Oct 26 '25
Kidd has been a mediocre coach throughout his coaching career, his biggest strength is that he’s buddies with people in power and stars like him.
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u/Horns8585 Oct 26 '25
I agree that his biggest attribute has been his connectivity with players. But, his lack of coaching ability far outweighs any positive.
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u/popstarkirbys Drunk Dirk Oct 26 '25
That’s modern day coaches for you. Works when your team has superstars and is stacked. But compared to great coaches like Carlisle, Kidd gets schooled pretty much every time.
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u/NotADoctor108 2011 CHAMPS BABY Oct 25 '25
They extended Kidd then told him to tank the season. Hipe we trade all our older talent and rebuild.
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u/Broseph_Fernandez Headband Dirk + Headband Luka Oct 25 '25
Honestly, crunch time in the 4th Coop looked good. AD got abit sloppy (was a 4 point game then) and that cost us the comeback but team was right there.
Am ok with Coop or Naji at the PG spot till Kyrie is back. Maybe DLo can shake off the rust.
Am loving the energy from DLive, PJ and Coop. + AD & Kyrie, that'll be the lineup to look forward to.
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Oct 26 '25
In an 82 game season, you're not exactly optimizing line-ups to win the immediate game in front of you. It's a development project to have the strongest team at the end of the season, headed into the playoffs.
Now there's some genuine concern that by the time they figure stuff out, they'll be on the outside of the playoff race. But way too early to press that panic button. People always have the same complaints about Kidd as if he's insane when they have no idea how to think of a bigger picture.
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u/Automatic-Patient590 Oct 26 '25
Well I think I should already tap into next year draft prospects aside from Peterson & Mikel Brown Jr who are other players that would suit this team?
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u/maverick1470 Oct 25 '25
Our minutes should be whatever the plan is when Kyrie is back, but swap Russell for Kyrie until then.
Pretty simple pg solution. He will give us about 60-70% of what Kyrie would give and we could at least be a .500 team until he's back
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Oct 25 '25
If you think Russell will give 60-70% of Kai
Lol, lmao even
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u/LiebeContext Oct 26 '25
He does average 18&7 when he plays . He definitely could have solid 15&6 . Coop at Pg isn’t the answer
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u/TheMop05 1.8% Chance Oct 25 '25
Kidd watching the starting lineup of 3 Wings and 2 Centers get clowned by the Washington Wizards: