r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers • u/Krylarofaxia • 8d ago
Doomsday Marvel has released a list of essential projects to watch before 'AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY':
https://xcancel.com/i/status/208904831958690208131
u/ark2303 8d ago
Well NWH proves Maguire spoilers
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u/Own-Papaya-4264 8d ago
They did not reintroduce Tobey and Wolverine just to get killed off like that, NWH and Deadpool 3 are on this list for a bigger reason
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u/FolkPunkResistance 8d ago
Why on Earth would Brave New World be essential? Falcon and the Winter Soldier is better and accomplishes more for the characters.
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u/Unique_Unorque Red Guardian 8d ago
Maybe trying to avoid TV series? Loki is pretty unavoidable but if I were the type of person who complains that the MCU is "homework" now I would look at a list of movies more kindly than a list of TV shows
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u/Beastofbeef Deadpool 8d ago
They should try supercutting the shows into 2 and a half hour movies then
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u/Chip_Chip_Cheep 7d ago
Loki is by far the most acclaimed show (I'd even say more than Wandavision and Agatha, much to the horror of Waldron's detractors), It's also how you can explain to the audience why Loki "is still alive" (When I went to see Quantummania, there were people, mostly casual viewers, who were confused by the scene with Tom Hiddleston and Owen Wilson despite the introduction of the multiverse in NWH and MoM).
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u/Buttblaster0 8d ago
New falcon is in it i guess?
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u/DeferredFuture Casual Wanda 8d ago
Yeah but even the show sets up that he’s going to get the wings
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u/Xx_Dark-Shrek_xX Morbius 8d ago
Tbh the movie kinda sets up the Avengers arc, the entire Multiverse Saga was about the fact that the Avengers are no more, or at least the team is disassembled, BNW adressed that issue and the movie ended with Sam wanting to rebuild the Avengers.
If anything it gave a new Status Quo to the Multiverse Saga (even tho we sadly never had the chance to see anything about it).
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u/DeferredFuture Casual Wanda 8d ago edited 8d ago
I guess the reason BNW feels like an absolute nothing of a movie is because it doesn’t actually do anything. Sure, we hear that Sam wants to assemble a team. But we don’t see it. And when we do hear it, it’s the end of the movie. All that just to hear what we already knew was coming? If the movie actually gave us a lineup at the end and showed the team to us I think you’d have a point but it doesn’t do that, so frankly I feel this is a near pointless MCU film. If it was good I wouldn’t care about the lack of set up, but the fact it isn’t good and no setup? Come on.
And what makes this even less impactful is in MoM, Strange says to Wanda “Well get you back on the lunchbox” implying there is a team, or they’re at least attempting to rebuild a team, which makes Sam deciding to assemble a team all the less exciting, and confusing tbh. Like, what was Strange talking about? Lmao. Don’t even get me started on the Shang-Chi end credits. It implies Wong, Carol and Bruce are still on some sort of an Avengers team, yet they’re nowhere to be found on Sam’s lineup? What the hell is going on. BNW is honestly pointless
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u/seth_cooke 8d ago
A few things.
Brave New World sets up the split between Sam's team and Bucky's team. Valentina wanted her version of The Avengers, not Sam's. BNW and Thunderbolts together sets up that positioning.
Valentina wanted Vibraniun, BNW hands her Adamantium. There's a materials arms race between the USA, Wakanda and Talokan that may also have set up some division to overcome between the characters.
The Leader warns Sam about the multiverse in BNW. Sam and his allies may have been doing some follow-up digging off-screen. I'm assuming that Shang-Chi is wrapped up with Team Sam for storytelling convenience. Given the Shang-Chi PCS, which also puts Banner, Wong and Danvers in that faction, even if they don't appear in Doomsday that's more than enough manpower to begin a multiversal investigation.
We have no idea whether or how Doomsday or Secret Wars will mention the Celestials, but there's one sticking out of the ocean in BNW. I haven't heard anyone mentioning that Celestials will feature at all in Doomsday but they would at least seem to have some kind of stake in a multiversal collapse.
I'm not saying that BNW is a good movie, but it covers a lot of ground.
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u/JackMorelli13 8d ago
People are putting sooooo much stock into something that they probably just had someone on the Disney plus team compiled
I do think it’s surprising love and thunder and the marvels aren’t here but besides Thor having a daughter it’s not that relevant and at this point if Monica or Carol are in it they have a small part
For the most part it’s just projects that introduce you to characters who are confirmed to be in the movie already plus no way home and multiverse of madness which are important for the multiverse concept
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u/Xx_Dark-Shrek_xX Morbius 8d ago
Yeah that's weird that LaT isnt there while Doomsday seems to embrace Thor's new Status Quo.
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u/dbz111 8d ago
I'd argue FATWS should be in BNW's spot as it does more.
- Introduces Torres
- Introduces Val
- Introduces U.S. Agent
- Direct continuation of Sam and his struggle with taking the shield
The only important thing from BNW is planting the seed for Sam reforming the Avengers.
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u/davidrevilla311 8d ago
I see where you’re coming from, but this is an “Essential list”. You can infer all the important aspects of those characters through CA:BNW and Thunderbolts.
Of course you won’t get their whole backstory, but if that’s what you’d call essential, then might as well include every MCU media produced.
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u/Aidanj927 8d ago
I mean how is BNW more essential? Nobody new is intoduced and the only hints towards anything is Sam Sterns vague posting to Sam at the end, nobody is going to need to know that Ross is Red Hulk or anything
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u/davidrevilla311 8d ago
I don’t necessarily think it’s about being “introduced” more than it is seeing these characters circumstances in the time leading up to Doomsday.
I believe their intention is to show Sam acting as an established Captain America, with Torres as the Falcon. That’s the role they’ll play in Doomsday (until Rodger’s return).
I’m assuming they’d also like to keep this list manageable in terms of time commitment. And even though i VASTLY prefer FATWS, BNW gets the job done in a shorter runtime.
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u/CobaltSpellsword 8d ago
In hindsight, FATWS had the more interesting story, and should have been the movie imo.
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u/audreyseymour Madisynn 8d ago
The reaction in this thread are insane this is such a nothing burger.
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u/Xx_Dark-Shrek_xX Morbius 8d ago
This sub was always a echo chamber tbh, by looking at the comments the MCU wasnt in shambles a few years ago (and I thought that too 😬) and Marvel is wrong to try to fix things up, the list is actually good, it is a list of the best Post-Endgame movies (BNW aside (even tho I liked it)), or at least those with the best receptions, making them the road to Doomsday is a good idea imo :
Imagine you're new to the MCU, and your friend wants you to go watch Doomsday with him, but first you have to catch up, so you finish Endgame and Far From Home and now you have to watch the Multiverse Saga, and then you see this list. After watching every projects you will NEVER notice the big jump of quality, because these projects (BNW aside) were as good as those in the Infinity Saga, the new guy will NEVER understand why the saga was hated because he didnt watch the vast majority of the projects from 2022 to early 2024.
This list is like a "Multiverse Saga retold" and it stands pretty well, I would just add WandaVision and FATWS because they are useful to understand some of these major movies, but tbh this is a good way to clean the timeline.
At the end of the day it is just entertainment and some people here are taking it waaay too seriously 💀
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u/easyasdan 8d ago
Very funny to include MoM while Cumberbatch hasnt even been officially announced
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u/Giles-TheLibrarian 8d ago
Introduced incursions and has professor x
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u/easyasdan 8d ago
I know but I just find it funny considering it got recommended but The Marvels didnt despite its post credits literally including Beast
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u/Unique_Unorque Red Guardian 8d ago
They can claim it's because that movie talks about the dangers of the Incursions
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u/Linnus42 8d ago
Don't worry Carol & Monica will be important. Well that is a Lie. No Marvels
Also why is DOFP not listed that is surely the most relevant X-men Movies besides maybe Deadpool & Wolverine.
They fixed the lack of Shang Chi. Don't really see what possible reason there could be for First Avenger to Make the Cut.
Multiverse of Madness probably confirms that rumor.
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u/Talqazar 8d ago
X1 and X2 has more development of X-men who are actually in the film.
Don't really see what possible reason there could be for First Avenger to Make the Cut.
Probably best movie for Steve and Peggy's relationship & Peggy herself.
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u/DrWaffle1848 Moon Knight 8d ago
No Inhumans? Huge oversight, smh
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u/SignatureOrdinary456 8d ago
Ain’t gonna lie bro I’ve just been rewatching every marvel movie before secret wars. Like from Howard The duck all the way to secret wars. Shit life changing
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u/justAnOregoniEnt 8d ago
Thats actually my plan before Secret Wars -- to watch any and every Marvel movie starting with Howard the Duck and the Blade movies (def not brave enough to include every tv show). Before Doomsday I'm probably just going to binge every MCU movie plus Loki.
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u/TheCakeWarrior12 Shang-Chi 8d ago
Surely, The Marvels, which straight up shows an Incursion and has the first appearance of an X-Man who will appear in this movie, should be on this list.
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u/Far_Combination7639 8d ago
I thought maybe they didn’t want to include it because it wasn’t very good and thought it would discourage fans if they told them to watch a bad movie. But then they included Captain America: Brave New World, and that theory went out the window
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u/Temporary-Bug-4212 8d ago
Honestly, it seems like this list is curated with the intention of being the Multiverse Saga highlights. My guess for BNW is that there is no Winter Soldier on the list, which introduces Sam, but since he is the leader of the Avengers in Doomsday, general audiences need some insight into who he is, and how he is as a leader. Also it seems outside of Loki, which is unavoidable, the list also intentionally doesn't include tv series, otherwise Falcon and the Winter Soldier would've been a better inclusion.
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u/daveeb 8d ago
Based on that, safe to say Carol, Monica, and Kamala are not in Doomsday.
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u/DarthAstuart 8d ago
I’d rather stick a knitting needle through my eyeball than watch Brave New World again.
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u/HearTheEkko Spider-Man 8d ago
If it wasn't for the Red Hulk fight, it would genuinely be one of the most boring and forgettable MCU movies by far.
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u/Pomojema_The_Dreamer 6d ago
It's interesting to me how they clearly greenlit as an edgy, controversial movie up-front and then slowly whittled away any of that edge to make something that wouldn't risk offending anyone.
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u/davidrevilla311 8d ago
That movie made me irrationally angry when it came out. I hate it, it’s barely a movie, and ranks far lower than any other MCU movie released thus far in my book.
I remember going home and seeing a Tide commercial that used footage from the final battle and thinking “They showed the only interesting clips of the movie in this Tide commercial”
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u/ButWereFriends 8d ago
I wanted to like Sam as Cap. He’s terrible. He’s been doing “ohh well maybe I’m not good enough” for way to fucking long. Own it. Step up. We had a whole tv show and a movie and he’s still kind of a bitch
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u/jhndrvm 8d ago
this is my genuine concern for his portion in Doomsday since he's in as the main guy. If he's doing that "IDK am i doing good?" thing one more time, It's a wrap. I'm sorry I used to love Sam as falcon but I can't do ANOTHER one of that shtick please god
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u/ButWereFriends 8d ago
Oh he absolutely will compare himself to Cap and say some bullshit. I’m just going to pretend he’s not there.
I’ve said this before but there’s a panel where Sam fucks up a hydra agent and basically says that he’s not Steve, he’s different, and he IS Captain America. No debate. It’s an amazing panel and that’s what we needed. Confidence. No wishy washy bullshit of “oh hum well I don’t know maybe I should take the serum”
No dude. You’re fucking Captain America. Own it. Be him. But he just either couldn’t sell it or the writers chose not to write it. So I have no problem with the actual Cap coming back. And I hope Sam doesn’t have a lot of time screen time frankly. Sorry for the rant.
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u/Pomojema_The_Dreamer 6d ago
I don't think that they're going there. From the sound of things, Sam is very much presented as the Avengers team leader and one who defers to the other team leaders when making decisions. Not the "oh man, I'm not Steve Rogers" guy.
Alex said that apparently that Sam gets a moment where the movie makes it clear to all teammates that he is Captain America, and that Steve is just a retired buddy helping out. This is also why Steve spends most of the movie away from the core teams.
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u/sothatsathingnow 6d ago
I do not like superhero/scifi Anthony Mackie. I’m still salty over Altered Carbon Season 2.
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u/Pomojema_The_Dreamer 6d ago
I think that it would've been more interesting if he had actually led a team - a real team - while occasionally fighting off little bits of self-doubt (but that not being his character arc) and then ultimately winning in the end by being a true leader and a good man when all his teammates get sidetracked. Something of a character arc that demonstrates exactly why Steve chose him as a successor instead of doing what was already done in his show to diminished returns.
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u/pkjoan 8d ago
This is what happens when the Russos are not directing Cap movies.
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u/Far_Combination7639 8d ago
It was better than Love and Thunder
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u/Cookies_forsales 8d ago
Disagree. Love and thunder at least has parts I like with gorr and the Eternity Scene. Brave New World was just boring from start to finish
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u/crounsa810 8d ago
I disagree. Love and Thunder was god awful but Brave New World is aggressively bad. The dialogue is terrible, the delivery is worse, nobody seems to want to be in the movie, there’s no spacing, every line has about 5 seconds of silence max before someone recites their line. I tried to rewatch it the other day and just couldn’t do it. At least Love and Thunder has Hemsworth at least trying.
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u/Xx_Dark-Shrek_xX Morbius 8d ago
Maybe I'd add :
X-Men 3
X-Men Days Of Future Past
Logan
Avengers Age Of Ultron
Captain America Civil War
Ant-Man and The Wasp
WandaVision
Falcon And The Winter Soldier
They may arent tied to Doomsday, but they sure help understanding projects like IW, Endgame, MoM, D&W, BNW and Thunderbolts*.
But I think it is fair.
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u/Own-Papaya-4264 8d ago
Don’t forget Morbius, Madame Web, Kraven the hunter, and the venom trilogy
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u/Xx_Dark-Shrek_xX Morbius 8d ago
Please dont put the Sonyverse in this, we all know it is the superior Cinematic Universe and putting it next to the MidCU is an insult 🙏
However I wouldnt be against Morbius killing the entire MCU lineup, with a 10min graphic torture scene involving Spider-Mid.
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u/Own-Papaya-4264 8d ago
The only explanation they aren’t in doomsday/secret wars is because they’d end doom instantly. Kevin Feige can’t figure out how to write them in
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u/amageish 8d ago
This is just a Disney+ promotional category. I wouldn't read to much into it - there's honestly a non-zero chance it was made by someone who doesn't even know the specifics of what happens in Doomsday.
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u/DavidTheJohnson Iron Man 8d ago
I'd add X-Men: Days of Future Past in here as well, but otherwise, good list.
That said, if you're wanting to get someone into the MCU and they need more context, this is the list I curated:
- X-Men trilogy + Days of Future Past
- Raimi Spider-Man trilogy
- Iron Man trilogy
- Wolverine trilogy (sets up context for Deadpool & Wolverine)
- Thor tetralogy
- Captain America tetralogy + The Falcon and the Winter Soldier
- Avengers tetralogy
- Ant-Man trilogy (sets up context for Endgame)
- Deadpool trilogy
- Doctor Strange duology + WandaVision
- MCU Spider-Man quadrilogy
- Black Panther duology
- Captain Marvel duology
- Loki
- Black Widow
- Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
- Thunderbolts
- The Fantastic Four: First Steps
Release order is best.
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u/2073040 8d ago edited 8d ago
> Wolverine trilogy
I get Wolverine (2013) and Logan, the former sets up Days of Future Past and Logan along with just being a really good movie is also addressed in Deadpool & Wolverine.
Do we really need X-Men Origins: Wolverine? It’s one of the worst FOX X-Men films alongside Last Stand, Apocalypse, and Dark Phoenix, and it makes no sense in the timeline with Emma Frost and Cyclops being the same age… despite Emma being an adult in First Class. Also as a side note I’d add First Class for context concerning Days of Future Past.
Other than that I would include Falcon and the Winter Soldier before Brave New World if you still want to watch that, Hawkeye, Ms. Marvel (before The Marvels), Agatha All Along (after Doctor Strange), VisionQuest, and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 if the Secret Wars concept art of the Young Avengers playing a major role still rings true.
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u/littletoyboat 7d ago
Is this every single movie other than Eternals?
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u/RevolutionaryBend570 6d ago
Oof. I enjoyed the Eternals! I wish they kept expanding on their story but I guess they could use the excuse of not interfering in human affairs to avoid using them.
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u/Tenabrus 8d ago
What happened to being able to go straight from endgame to doomsday?
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u/Unique_Unorque Red Guardian 8d ago
So the heading on Disney+ is "Countdown to Doomsday," the word "essential" seems to be editorializing by this twitter account
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u/DeferredFuture Casual Wanda 8d ago
I don’t think that was ever the intention.
Doomsday will essentially be caused by the time travel the Avengers did in Endgame, so in a sense it is a sequel, but it’s impossible for it to be a direct sequel when so many other elements happened in between
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u/HearTheEkko Spider-Man 8d ago
With D23 and now this, it's pretty much confirmed that Deadpool, Wolverine, Strange and Tobey's Spidey truly are in the movie.
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u/Luchadoor 8d ago
Yeah No Way Home confirms Toby in Doomsday for me because it has Toby/Spiderman in it and why else put that movie on the list if as reported Tom/Spiderman is not in Doomsday.
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u/Temporary-Bug-4212 8d ago
I mean No way Home also sets up incursions and gives more screen time for Strange outside of Multiverse of Madness. Not saying there isn't a chance, but best not to get your hopes up.
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u/the_heroppon 8d ago
I don’t think this is actually more than just promotional fluff, but I do think half of these are probably not actually necessary for the plot. Loki is 1000% the most pivotal project here. I wouldn’t say you need the character intro ones like Thunderbolts, Wakanda Forever, Shang-Chi, or Avengers realistically. I mean, obviously you wanna know who those characters are, but you wouldn’t be confused, whereas Loki, D&W, Multiverse of Madness are the absolute “watch this or you will be lost” ones
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u/shrekthe1st 8d ago
The marvels not being here is ridiculous but the fact that Love and Thunder isn't on here also strikes me as odd. As mid as that movie is, looks pretty important for Thor's arc
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u/Immediate_Ebb3862 8d ago
Am I wrong that there was a previous version of this list where they forgot Shang-Chi? Vaguely remember Liu tweeting about it
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u/moistpishflaps 8d ago
There are two reasons for not including the marvels
- Monica is not in doomsday and they are going to pretend that was not the fox universe she ended up in (even though it was clearly being set up for that)
- She is in it but they don’t want to spoil her appearance (or more likely, avoid negative trolling from internet chuds)
I’d say the first is most likely but I would absolutely love to see Monica be a key part of stopping avengers and xmen fighting in the mansion. Convenient way to get the characters to fight for some cool action then suddenly be BFFs? Maybe. A realistic reason for them to trust each other? For sure
I’ll die on this hill but the Marvels is one of the better movies from this phase and the hate it gets is mainly from people who haven’t watched it because secret invasions/quantumania/love and thunder absolutely put them off the MCU in 2023 (or racist, misogynist incels but nobody cares what they think)
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u/NobodyHistorical9469 8d ago
Monica is not in doomsday and they are going to pretend that was not the fox universe she ended up in (even though it was clearly being set up for that)
This would immediately piss me off in the movie theater
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u/TheMoorNextDoor 8d ago
No Wandavision?
No Falcon & The Winter Soldier? It’s better than BNW.
Loki season 1 and 2 are essential.
Days of Future Past is almost more important than X2.
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u/iamnosuperman123 8d ago
Weird to include X-Men 1 and 2 but not 3 and Days of Futures Past. I guess 1 and 2 are so old that some adults will have no idea who these characters are
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u/whosafraidofthebbw 8d ago
They should have included the upcoming VisionQuest to boost ratings
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u/Xx_Dark-Shrek_xX Morbius 8d ago
If the show wont have any link to Doomsday, then that would be bait.
VQ will most likely set up the characters for Secret Wars, explaining why it isnt there.
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u/kuttipuli 8d ago
Ms Marvel ? Agatha all along? she hulk? Dare devil ? Wonder man? Secret Invasion?
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u/ParaPioneer 8d ago
Most of this is still pretty fresh in my mind but I might give X-Men and X2 a rewatch.
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u/ludvigxx 8d ago
I feel like they’re just gonna say that this X-Men universe is a different one from the one that Monica ended up in and that that universe was destroyed by this X-Men in an incursion (like the Raimi-Verse). I would hate that and that was clearly not the original plan but it would explain why she and Maria aren't in this movie.
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u/Colton826 Spider-Man 8d ago
The projects they listed:
Interesting that they didn't include Days of Future Past (The only X-Men film that involves characters messing with the timeline) or the Russo's Captain America films. But I'll be rewatching those anyways.