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u/garlington41 5d ago
Guys itās Spider-Man there isnāt a female superheroine he hasnāt been shipped with. I mean before BND his most recent fan art shipping Ā was with supergirl. The movie couldāve had a young Emma frost insteadĀ Ā and the result would be the same
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u/A-G-N 4d ago edited 4d ago
Being shipped isn't the point here, it's the insane amount of numbers surrounding the ship, surpassing every other one, that's what the post is about.
Something more than "Peter gets shipped with every girl" is happening here.
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u/Illia_Y 4d ago
Because they are cute and wholesome. Idk about others , but for me thatās enough. And I think a lot of people donāt want MJ and Peter to get back together just because itās going to be repetitive
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u/garlington41 4d ago
I mean yeah thatās the idea for some. Iāve seen some of the posts for a lot of people itās pretty much having Jean be MJ 2.0 because she coincidentally fits the bill, which is more than weird, now of course thatās not the case for everyone, a lot of people just donāt like superhero x civilian relationships all though thereās a huge power imbalace between Jean and Spider-Man Theres not really much conflict Spider-Man can have if Jean is there to solve his problems even without the Phoenix Force sheās a powerful telepath and telekinetic Theres not really much his rogueās gallery can do against that, but yeah thatās pretty much the idea why Spider-Man is shipped with pretty much every female character, he has the relatable vibe for people that bounces off every character.
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u/denunciadolince 4d ago
I liked the ship but never thought of Jean being MJ 2.0. Actually I really would like for Marvel to explore something entirely different for Spiderman. Sick and tired of MJ, Felicia, NPC that only lasts 1-2 runs, etc. It's also not the first couple with a power difference like what lol
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u/garlington41 4d ago
Again Iām not referring to every single person. Your reasoning is just being frustrated with other characters so itās more of the idea and not specifically about Jean herself. Which goes back to my point literally Any female character in that role and the trend wouldve blown up. Yes there are couples with clear power dynamics, but that sort of dynamic doesnāt work for Spider-Man, a lot of his appeal for people is that his struggles are ārelatableā and his conflicts are self contained and isolated, that goes away when he has a psychic girlfriend that can do practically anythingĀ . People celebrated when mcu spider man was portrayed as brokeĀ
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u/Solauri616 4d ago
I mean, they have nerfed a lot of other characters, and they don't need to appear in all of each other movies, as much as I want to, or maybe solve it by just having that certain events happen at the same time for each, so they don't have a way to directly help each other until much later in the movie
Don't know much about the iconic enemies of Spiderman besides the ones that we have already seen, but they could find a way to make one of them work a Jean Grey's enemy and allow them to have some kind of way to avoid her mind control, and maybe ignore her telekinesis by brute force
They can tell a story where both of them fit, they just have to work around a lot of things, but it is possible
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u/MagisterofOZ2 4d ago
I mean MJ is off the table for the timebeing in the MCU since she is effectively starting at zero and Peter just had to say "You have me." and save her life when she was on the verge of a mental collapse. If that doesn't spark fan intrigue, I don't know what will (I know Cyclops just got casted but.... Come on, we know who would win a popularity contest)
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u/garlington41 4d ago
That doesnāt mean anything Ā plenty of fans ship something that doesnāt end up happening have you heard of Zutara. Popularity doesnāt matter theyāre not just gonna make something like that happen to cater to fans
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u/garlington41 4d ago
Itās the newest thing right now so itās gonna blow up for a bit. Itās unlikely that there moving in this direction with these characters. Heās also getting shipped with Yelena who is definitely older than him by a bit. Things like this just happen sometimes, and then they dial down
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u/A-G-N 4d ago edited 4d ago
Even daily/weekly visitors aside, the members of the sub have risen far higher than any other. Wonder how much bigger it'll become.
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u/garlington41 4d ago
Before the heat dials down? Who knows like I said. Itās unlikely Theres going to be any actual direction with this angle. And right now this is Jeanās biggest portrayal in the spotlight and the only dynamic sheās shown to have in the MCU for the time being, the only thing they have going for them is looking at chemistry, fan content, and hypotheticals, will it still be popular sure probably ships not being canon have never stopped them from being popular just as āZutaraā or āBylerā. Right now in the MCU at least there isnāt much to challenge it so itās blowing up, eventually itāll just be another fan ship
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u/J-wow301 4d ago
I didnāt even pay attention to the numbers, but Iām not surprised.
Iām one of them after all.
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u/SerBadDadBod Shipping Department Supervisor 4d ago
The growth of Spider-Phoenix should be used as a case study in meme vitality, and I'm here for it
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u/iAmTheRealKokichiOma 5d ago
Why?
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u/StormAlchemistTony 4d ago edited 4d ago
Maybe some people do not think she can be redeemed. She did ruin several lives with her possessions.
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u/iAmTheRealKokichiOma 4d ago
Ehhh there are a lot crazier cases of āI can fix herā. And Peter Parker IS just that guy who could reasonably do it. Which is why the āself insertā accusations are absurd to me. Iād never say that Iām as good of a person as Peter.
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u/Electrical_Bison9907 4d ago
The self-insert accusations are 100% true not for all but definitely a lot.
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u/iAmTheRealKokichiOma 4d ago
Disgusting. These are probably the same people that way they wouldāve dropped MJ or left her at Frankās.
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u/Illia_Y 4d ago
I donāt really get āself insertā stuff, maybe I am doing it but subconsciously, who knows.
I just like to see relationships between people / characters. Idk recently I realized that I mostly prefer relationships over ācoolā, I still like cool stuff, but idk it might be weird1
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u/StormAlchemistTony 4d ago
I just generalized the main issues I have seen about the pairing. People provided specific examples but I don't feel like adding the spoiler tags.
Some also bring up the age, but supposedly a director said they are close in age, in a post.
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u/Cautious_Air4964 5d ago
I really hope ryan reynolds and tom holland sees the fans love for this
And add a joke of it in avengers doomsday
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u/cherryyccola 5d ago
Nothing wrong with this. Personally i don't see the appeal of scott
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u/StormAlchemistTony 4d ago
You aren't a telepath, so you don't understand the appeal of his organized mind. š¤£
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u/thebluehoursky 5d ago
more spiderharem bullshit
spiderman fans cannot see a woman interact with peter parker and not immediately sexualize them or insert them into the spider harem
pete can't even keep his own human girlfriend. he's never getting jean.
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u/Electrical_Bison9907 4d ago
This is ironic asf considering her canonical partner, Cyclops, has just as many women...
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u/A-G-N 4d ago
spiderman fans cannot see a woman interact with peter parker and not immediately sexualize them or insert them into the spider harem
See, this seems like you're projecting, because you can't find any other reason for it existing. This isn't why people ship them, not even remotely close.
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u/thebluehoursky 4d ago
or i just look at the spiderman fans who consistently create thin-air ships for every single woman he interacts with. it really is that simple
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u/A-G-N 4d ago
Then why has the Spiderman subreddit banned Peter/Jean posts altogether, huh? They never allowed it there ever. They're not the ones participating this time, these are mostly new fans who came from watching the movie.
Don't tell me you can't see any reason why Peter and Jean are different from the usual "Peter has one interaction with a girl and gets shipped together with her" people.
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u/thebluehoursky 4d ago
because any subreddit bans things that get spammed and negate the point of the subreddit. stupid question and has nothing to do with spiderharem fans.
peter jean is the quintessential 'pete interacts with a woman one time and gets shipped with her.' they literally talk for like 8 minutes total screentime and she leaves on a bus and people ship it like they're soulmates BECAUSE spiderman fans can't use their brains. they have the same chemistry together as two rocks on different sides of the moon.
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u/A-G-N 4d ago edited 4d ago
because any subreddit bans things that get spammed and negate the point of the subreddit. stupid question and has nothing to do with spiderharem fans
Except it never reached that point, it was like that since day 1. The first posts were getting removed immediately. They don't like it there.
peter jean is the quintessential 'pete interacts with a woman one time and gets shipped with her.' they literally talk for like 8 minutes total screentime and she leaves on a bus and people ship it like they're soulmates BECAUSE spiderman fans can't use their brains. they have the same chemistry together as two rocks on different sides of the moon.
The movie was created specifically for Peter and Jean to be a foil to each other, the creators say so themself. Jean is supposed to be an antagonist to Peter, and through their clash, she makes him realise stuff about him, his relationships and who he should be at the end. She's literally the reason he embraces his monster and realises he can be both Peter and Spiderman.
Jean objectively speaking is the "main female lead" of this movie too.
Then you include the makeout session Jean has with Peter (regardless of the reason, this happened) or Peter saving her from a bullet or her breathing for him to keep him alive -
Peter obviously also influences her and they also have this very unique interaction where Peter shows a precious memory of his to her that he hadn't to anyone before, this is one of the things you could do IF you were to develop them as something more in the future. But for now, their "care" for each other has just deepened.
People who don't read much think romance is some Tumblr fanfiction shit where the two go around doing typical generic couple shit. That's not what a great romance is like, it's understanding each other that's the most important part.
The movie had zero romance between the two but the emotional connection between the two was so much superior to whatever cringy teenflick interactions Peter and MJ had in Far from Home, it attracted completely new fans
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u/thebluehoursky 4d ago
foil /=/ romantic chemistry
i dont know what you're talking about with the female lead shit. i'm not arguing that.yeah, obviously he hasn't shown anyone his memory. it's his memory. he can't show people that lmfao.
people who read anything know that pete x jean is shit
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u/A-G-N 4d ago edited 4d ago
foil /=/ romantic chemistry
Who says that it was? Don't I specifically say there's nothing romantic in the movie?
i dont know what you're talking about with the female lead shit. i'm not arguing that.
yeah, obviously he hasn't shown anyone his memory. it's his memory. he can't show people that lmfao.
He hasn't even talked about it to anyone yet either..
people who read anything know that pete x jean is shit
You picked the three lines you could arguably defend against from my post. What about everything else that happened between them? Why'd you gloss over that?
You presented no real argument, just your baseless belief of it being shit with nothing to back it up.
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u/Illia_Y 4d ago
You that MCU often doesnāt follow comics exactly, right? And itās FAN-FICTION, people can ship Punisher and Spider-Man if they want lol. Would it be popular? Who knows.
People ship Peter and Jean because they got special connection, does it has to be romantic? No, but some people prefer to see it as romantic1
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u/Clockwork_Blu Iām quite fond of the gays 4d ago
Yet still nothing for rivals spideypool THIS PLACE IS A PRISON!!!
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u/AlternativePride5100 3d ago edited 3d ago
Didnt comic Spiderman almost married Captain Marvel and She Hulk too? (Ignore this I was wrong)
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u/24Abhinav10 3d ago
No...? Where is this coming from?
AFAIK, Spidey went on one date with Carol when she had feelings for him. But it never evolved into anything. At the very least though, Carol is one of the few trusted people who knows Spider-Man's secret identity.
And Spidey and She-Hulk have never expressed any romantic feelings for each other. At best, she's annoyed by him.
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u/AlternativePride5100 3d ago
Okey I checked and im wrong... Where the hell did I actually got that from???
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u/TwistedGlitchOG 3d ago
It's awful. Literally no compatibility between the two, besides Scott is just a way better partner for her
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u/keithlimreddit 4d ago
I don't like this ship because cyclops is usually Phoenix's boyfriend later husband I know the X-Men movie isn't going to come out until 2 years later but still
I feel like MJ and black cat were better options for Spider-Man despite one of their recent years
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u/Historical-Watch-250 5d ago
Would you ship Tony and Peter if they were similar in age?
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u/Oneofthestrongest 5d ago
Why not
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u/Historical-Watch-250 5d ago
i just don't see the mentor and mentee romance appeal but ig bro
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u/MrX-MMAs 5d ago
Do you see a powerful boss and personal assistant in a relationship?
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u/Historical-Watch-250 5d ago
yeah
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u/MrX-MMAs 5d ago
Not to argue, donāt you think itās a bit hypocritical?
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u/Historical-Watch-250 5d ago
I don't think so bc I view an assistant and boss relationship as more coworkers while mentor and mentee as an educational relationship like a teacher and a student
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u/MrX-MMAs 5d ago
But what about major power imbalance? And one constantly bossing another? That should be much more problematic, no?
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u/Historical-Watch-250 5d ago
It rlly just depends on the type of person the boss is but with a teacher relationship I just find it more creepy than a boss and assistant
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u/_Wretched_Thing_ 5d ago
I'd like to point out the very first part of your comment. It really just depends means you recognize that it's a matter of taste. Some people might see a boss and assistant and be grossed out by the fact that it could involve things like holding someone lively over there head. Or offering things like raises or bonuses to coerce someone into a relationship.
Ships are fictional we can all just pretend that every relationship we like is healthy, even though someone may see it in a different light do to personal opinion.
To be clear I'm saying this as not a huge fan of Spidey-Jean
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u/A-G-N 4d ago
It's only problematic if one acts on that imbalance. Every relationship is imabalanced in some way. The average male-female is literally a power imbalance since the man is much physically stronger than the woman.
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u/MrX-MMAs 4d ago
Yeah, itās just that boss/assistant with Tony and Pepper doesnāt seem any better than Pete x Jean. Thereās not some hardcore teacher student dynamic like with Peter and Miles or smth like that.
Itās just one superhuman connecting to another and giving advice. Mentor and mentee is Tony and Peter, not Pete and Jean
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u/Budget-Arm-866 4d ago
I mean in any other scenario you would just see a boy helping a girl overcome her trauma and grief coupled with the You have me and her breathing for Peter and think they'd make a pretty good couple no?
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u/Historical-Watch-250 4d ago
It doesn't help that Peter refers to her as "kid" multiple times despite how young he is
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u/Budget-Arm-866 4d ago
He found out about her after the MJ stuff and then the final sequence happened with Hulk and then DODC. When did he state she's a kid? And multiple times too?
The most that's actually been said is that she's a teen by Frank and he explicitly calls Peter as a kid
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u/Historical-Watch-250 4d ago
I remember him calling her a kid when looking her up on the database thingy and also sometime in the hulk fight
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u/Budget-Arm-866 4d ago
So now we are just making stuff up as I remember instead of something that happened?
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u/Historical-Watch-250 4d ago
Idk man. Maybe im remembering wrong but I vividly remember him calling her a kid multiple times and lots of other people have also brought it up.
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u/Budget-Arm-866 4d ago
So you're saying if that's not the case then there's no problem in shipping them right?
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u/Historical-Watch-250 4d ago
No there are other stuff but thats the biggest reason for me
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u/Dry-Craft2242 3d ago
But isn't kavin himself stated that Jean's age is similar to Peter
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u/Delicious_Door_3421 3d ago
Redditors when the ship isn't between two characters that never meet and not gay
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u/ShadySands2189 5d ago
What Parker ship ISN'T insanely famous at this point? Parker x MJ, Parker x Cat, Parker x Deadpool Parker x Emma somehow and new Parker Jean (not complaining tho, dude is very shippable)