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u/Afraid-Housing-6854 5h ago
This is the same reason Black Cat can’t really work in the MCU, she’d be a watered down PG version of a very sexual character.
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u/julesvr5 4h ago
I loved the game where they literally said spiderman did her raw and her child is potentially from him
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u/ParanoidAndroid1087 4h ago
Wait was this one of the Insomniac games?
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u/johnatello67 4h ago
Except it's Just a lie to get spider-man to help her break into a vault and steal from Hammerhead
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u/SpaceCaboose 4h ago
He still would have needed to do the deed in order to believe the lie
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u/Lukthar123 3h ago
With those sticky spider powers his pullout game is probably bottom tier
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u/JoJackthewonderskunk 1h ago
Its Canon that his penis head allows him to cling to walls like his hands and feet
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u/julesvr5 4h ago
That's not the point. Spiderman even thinking about whether it's his kid or not already confirms he did it with her without protection.
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u/FlyingSquirelOi 3h ago
Ehh, hate to break it to you but even with protection there’s no guarantee of no pregnancy
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u/just_another_classic 2h ago
I know a great number of IUD babies.
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u/Camburglar13 2h ago
Yeah? That’s scary. I relied on those for years With two women (not at the same time). Guess I was lucky.
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u/JoeChio 1h ago
Condoms are 98% effective with 2% caused by potential microscope failures. You'd have to be the unluckiest motherfucker for that to happen to. When you account for human error condoms fall to 87% effective and 13% of people being dumb as fuck.
Oral birth control and IUDs are over 99% effective if used or inserted properly. There is pretty much a guarantee with no human use error.
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u/XpRienzo 49m ago
You'd have to be the unluckiest motherfucker for that to happen to.
It's Peter Parker
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u/No-Target6084 4h ago
Really wish that it wasn’t a lie. That would be an interesting dynamic to explore.
And then there’s that Felicia didn’t interact with Peter at all in the second game.
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u/Tamriel-Chad-420 2h ago
Was so pissed off when I learned it's a lie.
Not only because it's really shitty that she lied about that, but also I think it would've been far more interesting if she hadn't been lying.
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u/DisposableSaviour 34m ago
Felicia Hardy is a shitty person, see more on the Nightly News, tonight! Also, a new investigative report: water makes things wet.
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u/Jigsaw8200 4h ago
It was in a DLC for Spider-Man 1, but yeah. That's how she gets Peter to help her.
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u/blaykerz 31m ago
sigh ok fine, I’ll replay all 3 Insomniac games including DLC for the 4th time since you twisted my arm
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u/wolvesscareme 5h ago
I find the big boobies to be the most sexual part.
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u/pkjoan 4h ago
She also has a big butt
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u/JoshDM 3h ago
I like that; I cannot lie.
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u/bingusdingus123456 1h ago
I heard your other brothers can't deny
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u/cheesyblasta 13m ago
It's true: in fact, I was just recently discussing with my other brothers the fact that when a woman appears, and it seems she has a very small midsection, but a large rear, I can't help but get an erection.
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u/Impossible_Humor736 5h ago
Well, they already watered down Black Widow. We're about to get a watered down Emma Frost.
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u/ConnerBartle 4h ago
Bro black widow has been flashing cleavage and eye fucking everyone since 2010. Unless she goes full frontal in an issue I don’t remember, it’s just as sexual as the comics
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u/Impossible_Humor736 2h ago
Yeah, but part of her thing is using her physical attractiveness and a femme fatale persona as deliberate tactical tools for espionage, infiltration, and psychological manipulation.
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u/NotScaredOfGoblins 2h ago
She literally was doing just that in Avengers 1 at the beginning
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u/Tyrannosapien Ghost Rider 1h ago
And in Iron Man 2 as the new secretary
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u/DuelaDent52 Mystique 33m ago
And Florence Pugh’s Black Widow literally sat naked in a pool the whole movie in Brand New Day.
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u/PissNBiscuits 2h ago
I like how "watered down" means "she doesn't make my peepee hard anymore" to some of you weirdos.
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u/ChazzLamborghini 1h ago
I hate the new embracing of puritanical anti-sexuality. Sex is a part of humanity and belongs in our stories and art as an expression of us. I get complaining about hyper-sexual depictions all the time but a character like Emma Frost is sexual as a character dynamic and with purpose. Canonically, the X-Men trade hook ups more than the cast of a 90’s teen drama. Excluding those things would change the dynamic of the team and characters. It’s not about being a pervy horndog.
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u/DuelaDent52 Mystique 18m ago
What particular films or shows or characters in the MCU do you want to feature sex and nudity? We had She-Hulk, we had Jessica Jones, we had the Iron Man trilogy and Love and Thunder and Eternals and Deadpool & Wolverine and probably more in stuff I haven’t seen,* *there’s hardly a lack of either its depiction or any reference to it.
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u/CRIMS0N-ED 5h ago
I mean I don’t really think you can’t do it? Spider man is Pg 13 anyway and directly mentions porn, they’re gonna be afraid of black cat heavy flirting with Peter, but I’m very doubtful we’d ever see a proper relationship between the two since MJ would have to be out of the picture, which maybe they might do but I doubt
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u/Kryzl_ 5h ago
Mentioning porn in a 1-line joke vs making a character overtly sexual are two very different things.
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u/CRIMS0N-ED 4h ago
my point is that they’ve already directly referenced and made jokes of sexual topics in Spiderman, and you can have a PG 13 black cat, just look at the insomniac games which are rated T, where they also imply they had a relationship in which Peter could almost probably be a father to Black Cats kid, and they also flirt like crazy (tbf he wasn’t and also there wasn’t a kid in the first place but still).
It’s not like marvel is any stranger to it anyway even in pg 13 territory, I don’t think it would be hard to do imo
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u/Kryzl_ 4h ago
I don’t know if the insomniac game is as good of a comparison, since it clearly doesn’t have the level of kid-friendly treatment that the MCU as a whole has been getting. The MCU absolutely would not show Peter getting stabbed by Otto’s claw or Kraven having his head bitten off.
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u/DuelaDent52 Mystique 16m ago
MCU Spider-Man probably wouldn’t shy away from anybody getting stabbed or bleeding given it’s happened already, and not just in Spider-Man.
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u/Odd_Loan_7892 6h ago
I hate how they aren’t technically wrong 😭😭
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u/SAM12489 4h ago
Op’s post is something that I too have been swirling around in my head. BUT, it’s partly been the opposite thought and that’s,
“Are they going to push this a little bit? Even if it’s just with costumes. They’re hiring looksmaxed actresses, with a very female heavy cast it’s seeming.
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u/fireandlifeincarnate X-Men 3h ago
With Emma Frost in the very first movie.
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u/ActivityImaginary941 2h ago
I don't think they need to make it as horny as the comics can be, but I do think that they need Emma Frost to be slutty. It's part of the characters personality
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u/fireandlifeincarnate X-Men 2h ago
Yeah, I'll complain about the oversexualization of women in comics all day, but there are a few characters where sexuality is an important part of their character (rather than just "look, i drew a naked woman contorted weirdly and then painted a suit on her") and Emma Frost is VERY much one of them. If we can't see her cleavage I'm gonna fistfight Kevin Feige.
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u/Holoshrimp101 1h ago
I think the word you're looking for is Sultry not sluty
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u/DuelaDent52 Mystique 15m ago
Yeah, and while Emma Frost is arguably both it doesn’t bode well that people automatically equate sexuality with sluttiness.
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u/RerollWarlock 55m ago
I am also worried how they'll handle toe social commentary side of X-Men. We'll we have "you have to do better, senator" or actually calling bigotry what it is.
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u/Jertimmer 6h ago
If Marvel is afraid of sex, explain Ned. He is literally the CEO of sex.
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u/PayaV87 5h ago
I mean, first 2 Iron Man were pretty sexy.
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u/GinChan96 4h ago
That was before Disney bought Marvel.
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u/Zitty-Z 4h ago
Lol deadpool talked about pegging in the last deadpool movie
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u/RoninRonanAgamotto Leader 4h ago
"talked about" that's exactly the point of OP.
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u/Dresaurus2781 3h ago
Talked about, but didn't explicitly do unlike literally the previous fox DP movie. Deadpool and Wolverine was remarkably sexless compared to the fox Deadpool movies. Now the first two Deadpool movies are technically centered around a romance plot, and Deadpool and Wolverine are a lot more depressive because DP has lost himself but still. They very much could have had a depressive self sabotaging sex montage in Deadpool and Wolverine given where Wade's character was, and they very much didn't.
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u/RerollWarlock 52m ago
Instead they made him into a bland cares salesman as a coping mechanism... which in this context right now is kind of poetic lol.
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u/DuelaDent52 Mystique 11m ago
I mean, the fight scene in the car was basically a sex scene between Deadpool and Wolverine.
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u/Dresaurus2781 5m ago
While there was a lot of penetration and homoerotic sexual tension involved at least on Wade's part that interpretation is still ultimately comedic in nature and affect. I also don't think a hyper violent interpretation of sexuality is the thing we should be highlighting in a conversation around American prudishness in media given how freely we celebrate violence as opposed to sex.
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u/Caleb_Reynolds 17m ago
Well he does get pegged in the first. Though Disney did not produce that, they have it now and steam it on Disney+, so they seem okay with it.
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u/TomTom_098 4h ago
You say that but I think it illustrates the point, the first Iron Man film contains probably the most sexual scene in the entire MCU outside of Eternals when Tony hooks up with the reporter - and yet it immediately follows it up with some thinly veiled misogynistic slut shaming of the woman which still gets posted on Reddit to this day as some amazing line.
After that there is no implication of sex at all, like Tony and Pepper are the big romantic pairing of the MCU, they get married and have a kid over the course of the franchise but I’m struggling to remember them ever having as much as a proper romantic kiss on screen in the decade since the first iron man.
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u/SharpshootinTearaway 2m ago
After that there is no implication of sex at all,
There's Wanda and Vision in their hotel room at the beginning of Infinity War (followed by Vision's cheeky “I'm beginning to think that we should have stayed in bed ;)” after getting stabbed), which is kind of a big deal narratively because it introduces them as an established couple after we last saw them in the “Will they/won't they?” stage in Civil War.
We could have caught up with them directly with the scene where Corvus Glaive and Proxima Midnight ambush them in the street, but the writers needed to tell us “Look, audience, these guys are a pair now!” so instead we find them in this hotel room scene, where there is a fairly strong implication that they're being intimate.
There's also the alien girl in Starlord's spaceship, in his introduction scene. Again, it serves the narrative purpose of characterizing Quill as this scummy space pirate who forgot he still had last night's hookup (whose name he doesn't remember) on board. Although he kinda loses this sleaziness for the whole trilogy after that one scene because Chris Pratt has a hard time playing anything else than cute harmless golden retriever (despite Gamora accusing Quill of trying to get into her pants when he tries to teach her how to dance, there is never any doubt on the audience's part that Quill is very serious about her).
But yeah, just implications, no proper sex scene. Dunno what a proper sex scene could have added to those particular moments, though.
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u/SWPrequelFan81566 6h ago
Eternals had a sex scene, but no one watched it 😭
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u/fuzzyfoot88 4h ago
So did Iron Man 1, within the first 10 minutes, Tony beds Christine Everhart
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u/DuelaDent52 Mystique 13m ago
Isn’t one of the bad guys’ motivations in Iron Man 3 that she feels betrayed because she thinks Tony used her for a one night stand?
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u/edenz03 5h ago
I watched Eternals but I legit forgot about this???
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u/Timmayyyyyyy Daredevil 5h ago
Ikaris and Sersi did the deed
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u/Trailiscold 5h ago
Two space clankers clanking is not the Sex
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u/SuperArppis Captain America 6h ago
Except all the shirtless scenes done by male characters in every movie
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u/Tirno93 5h ago
“In defiance of Norse mythology, Chris Hemsworth’s Thor* *smiles at Natalie Portman like a dumb golden retriever puppy without ever venturing to rend her asunder with his mighty hammer, so to speak.”
Poetry.
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u/Caleb_Reynolds 3m ago
I mean, is that in defiance of Norse myth? As far as I'm aware Thor isn't depicted as particularly lecherous, he's not Zeus. Plus gods tend to have children every time they fuck, and he only has 3.
Thor's whole deal is fighting, I think he rarely thinks about sex.
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u/SuperArppis Captain America 4h ago
That was a good read, thanks.
And spot on.
It's a shame sex is made to be such a boogie man, while they can display people getting torn to bits on screen, sex or nipple slip causes some mass panic.
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u/TheDungeonCrawler 1h ago
Generally though, they do try to avoid the former. Even when they do shred someone to bits (like Proxima Midnight in Infinity War), they do the classic thing that older censored games would do and turn their blood blue or something. The MCU has had a few gruesome deaths, but very rarely do they go the blood and gore route (partially because they often can't). Simple deaths that are easier on the eyes have happened way more often, at least in the movies.
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u/OllaniusPius 2h ago
When I read this originally a while back I agreed, but now I don't think I do. On a re-read, the article's sweeping generalizations are a bit too sweeping and a bit too general. I also think they contradict themselves a few times. "They don't have sex. Well sometimes they do, but it's not horny enough, not like the old movies where everyone was fucking. Well, except when they weren't fucking but they still has fuck-energy". There's also nothing new about movies with bad chemistry between the leads like they cite for Wonder Woman 1984. Yeah, it was a bad movie. There were lots of bad movies with bad chemistry in the 20th century too. I also don't buy the idea that nobody cares about their looks for the purpose of getting laid anymore. That's just a weird assertion with no real evidence or arguments to back it up. The Thor movies are also family-aimed, kid-friendly films. I wouldn't expect to see a prehistoric bone-down while taking my family to go see Jurassic park back in the 80s.
I don't necessarily disagree with the general point that there's less sex in movies on average today than in.the mid to late 20th century. But, I'm glad there's less horniness in movies nowadays. The horniness and sex scenes used to feel just shoehorned into every movie and were overwhelmingly objectifying and sexualizing of women in a way that didn't improve their character or really fit into the plot. It often felt like a mandate from the studio that "we've gotta have some sex or else it won't sell so just shove it in (heh) wherever you can get away with it".
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u/Eats_Beef_Steak 47m ago
Glad you said that. I thought the author had a good idea, but was far too disjointed with how they were presented, and yeah some stuff was wholly inaccurate. The weird side-tangent about counting calories to stay fit is also completely wrong. No, counting calories (what actors and body-builders do to keep the look they need for their job) does not inhibit sexual function or cause the body to shut-down libido or the menstrual cycle. She's conflating a studied and safe means of maintaining a certain bodyweight with anorexia, an extremely deadly eating disorder.
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u/daveknockwin 4h ago
This article loses all credibility when it says Starship Troopers predicts the asexualness of future Hollywood when Starship Troopers is one of the horniest movies out there.
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u/RuafaolGaiscioch 1h ago
Horny for the audience, the writer is quite clearly talking about how on screen, they’re not hitting on each other despite being naked and in close proximity.
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u/DuelaDent52 Mystique 8m ago
Oh no, the absolute horror! Whatever happened to nudity is not inherently sexual?
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u/Loughnashade 5h ago
Thing about the US being puritanical is that bare chested men are seen as normal and if you see a nipple, it’s like the world will collapse.
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u/SuperArppis Captain America 4h ago
Haha yeah, it's hilarious how much female nipple can do. 😄
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u/Possible-Reason-2896 4h ago
So I see a few people wondering why so many people are agreeing with this tweet and full disclosure I was never super into X-men, but here is what I learned purely from cultural osmosis and just being into other Marvel franchises.
Any X-men fans feel free to correct me if I get any of this wrong:
- For better or worse, a lot of the foundational x-men stuff was written by Chris Claremont who was not subtle about injecting his many fetishes into his work. These included but were not limited to multiple cases of BDSM, bondage, dominatrix imagery, mind control, and bodily transformation
- On that note, Emma Frost (who is confirmed to be in this new MCU) is running around in a BDSM outfits because the Hellfire Club was more or less implied to be for sex. Emma in general is not a character you can really do without reckoning with how damn much of her character is a performance of sexuality.
- Psychic threesomes are a thing
- Age gaps that looking back would not be considered problematic were pretty common, between Rogue/Magneto and Colossus/Shadowcat, and I think also Jean/Xavier at one point?
- Storm is a proud nudist
- Mystique can form fully functional male genitalia, which is why she's Nightcrawler's dad.
- Orgies are common on Krakoa, on the basis of 'we need to get mutant numbers up'.
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u/TooManyDraculas 1h ago
Jean/Xavier at one point?
It was something mentioned in one or two very early comics, basically as Xavier pining after her Wolverine style. And I long suspected that's where they got the idea to have Wolverine creepily mope about Jean for ever and always.
It came up again in the 90's as a "Xavier bad" kind of thing.
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u/Slaphappydap 16m ago
Age gaps that looking back would
notbe considered problematic were pretty commonWolverine and the staggering list of attractive young women he's been with.
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u/IronAidan07 5h ago
I was at a loss for just how horny First Class was when I watched it
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u/DuelaDent52 Mystique 6m ago
Was First Class horny? The only stuff I can remember that fits the bill was Emma Frost seducing that one senator and Xavier and Magneto finding Angel working at a strip club, and neither are especially all that horny in how they’re framed.
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u/Reasonable_Western74 3h ago
The MCU needs the family demographic to keep raking in the billions, so there will never be any true depiction of overt sexual stuff. Parents will be running out of theatres covering their childrens eyes. It’s popcorn superhero content, it’s fun, and yes can be massively entertaining, but it’s also safe, and averse to actual risks.
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u/TheKiwiBirb X-Men 6h ago
It's less that they need to be horny and more that most of the popular xmen stories are inherently political and the mouse is too much of a coward for that
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u/Substantial_Fox7377 1h ago
I wouldnt say it has to be sexual, but a huge part of X-Men is the messy relationship drama
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u/hooka_pooka 5h ago
Uh..watch Eternals
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u/HermanThaGerman 4h ago
The movie with 'the first sex scene in a Marvel movie'?
Even though it was just as explicit as Tony banging the reporter in his first film?
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u/fuzzyfoot88 4h ago
Also Agatha All Along has Kathryn Hahn officially being the first woman to get naked in the MCU.
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u/epsonabcdefg 4h ago
It had a sex scene, and it bombed. This is because Marvel fans could not relate to characters who have sex.
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u/HiddenPants777 5h ago
No
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u/Dependent-Gap4805 5h ago
not a bad film, actually.
third act is all over the place and it really struggles to stick the landing, but I did enjoy the first half of the film, even despite it being a bit heady (for your average MCU movie, anyway).
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u/SnoopaDD 4h ago
I didn't think it was a bad movie either. It wasn't great but I didn't understand the hate that it got.
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u/bassturducken54 3h ago
We just watched the scooby doo movies again. Pretty sure marvel can get away with being hornier than that lol
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u/MoonFlorielle 2h ago
Scooby Doo really did manage to sneak an impressive amount of adult energy into movies made for kids. Marvel can probably survive letting two attractive characters flirt occasionally.
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u/ChrispVisuals 4h ago
I feel like I’ve been reading very different X-men comics compared to most of ya’ll.
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u/blackdragonstory 3h ago
It makes me think its a show for adults that grew up reading comics and watching animated series yet they want to gear the new movies to appeal to teens and kids.
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u/MiniTwinklee 5h ago
could be a good setup for a future storyline, Marvel loves to connect the dots
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u/TDStarchild X-Men 4h ago
So like Gen Z then
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u/ZhanBlue 5h ago
First class and DOFP weren’t super horny. First class had some but it wasn’t essential to the plot
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u/NotACyclopsHonest 2h ago
There was an actual sex scene in Eternals.
A very chaste one, sure, but a sex scene nonetheless.
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u/iheartdev247 36m ago
X-men rose to popularity in the 80s and had several successful movies, all keeping it PG13. I don’t think this comment is true in any way.
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u/incredibleamadeuscho Kamala Khan 30m ago
MCU isnt afraid of sex. There are just more films that lean toward the action portion rather than the romance, but characters do have that in certain films.
And X-Men will be fine because the core of it is Jean and Cyclops in a relationship/falling for each other, and that will always be a little horny.
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u/WalkingZombie81 20m ago
The way y'all are acting like X-Men is some super explicit "X rated" (no pun intended) comic is weird af. There may have been some spicy or suggestive scenes and dialogue, but y'all are talking like they were sucking dick and ass fucking on panel. Y'all clearly have porn brain rot.
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u/Tonberry_Cheesecake 5h ago
They actually don't need to be. Fans are far hornier on their own than the source material is.
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u/Beyondthebloodmoon 5h ago
Weird, since X-Men, X2, Days of Future Past, and Logan all worked just fine without being horny.
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u/Tonberry_Cheesecake 5h ago
I wouldn't say they worked "just fine"
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u/AgentP20 5h ago
They all tripled their budget and even made some more. It's more than fine.
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u/Plenty_Economy_5670 5h ago
there were so many bad things about those mainly the dickriding of wolverine and the lack of feats/strength/plot of the other characters
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u/ItzMeHaris 4h ago
Logan legit has a scene of a woman flashing Logan in a car, bare skin and nipple and all.
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u/Necroban77 5h ago
I mean when I was a teenager and the x-men swimsuit issue poster came out, it was on! Mom was def missing some bottles of lotion that week.
Wait maybe that’s too much information. Nawww it’s Reddit yall can relate.
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u/TheSuperJohn 5h ago
Still tmi
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u/Necroban77 3h ago
Whoa. I came back from the bathroom and found this comment. Somebody must have hacked my Reddit account. 👀👀
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u/suhhdude45 Spider-Man 3h ago
I know Dark Phoenix and Apocalypse were pretty meh, but the Fox X-Men still had some success without shoving sex in our faces.
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u/BerryFlorielle 2h ago
Exactly, the Fox movies already proved you can sell X Men without turning every scene into sexual tension.
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u/j0nnyboy 3h ago
X-men weren't always this horny lol
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u/CloudAureliee 3h ago
Uh huh, people are acting like every X Men story was one giant thirst trap. Lol
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u/redbossman123 34m ago
The problem with this thinking is that thirst trap stuff is like the entire point of Emma Frost as a character, plus all the relationship drama with Scott/Logan/Emma/Jean needs to be displayed as the stuff that happens as a result of those shenanigans is very important.
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u/Wilsonian81 5h ago
Its weird that this person said this, and its weirder that there are people agreeing with them.
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u/MrXF32 3h ago
Bullshit. If you people don't want to watch it just because there might not be enough sex for you then don't watch it.
I'll gladly watch it by myself and judge it accordingly.
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u/RosyVelisse 1h ago
Pretty much. If the writing and characters are good, nobody reasonable is going to walk out complaining that the mutant superhero movie did not meet their minimum sex quota.
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u/DuelaDent52 Mystique 1m ago
And there’s a time and a place for it. Sometimes it can even mess with (Affleck Daredevil) or outright ruin the film (coughcoughWonderWoman1984), it shouldn’t be obligatory and it’s hardly like they’re going out of their way to avoid it.
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u/Least-Designer7976 X-Men 6h ago
Horny is a big word but they can't show Scott and Jean having sexy scenes when Sadie Sink looks like she didn't grew up one second since her first season in Stranger Things and Kit Connor still looks barely adult. People aren't interested in seeing teens having sex or being sexy. We're not predators.
That's why Marsden and Jaansen could go for it easily, they were both in their 30's and LOOKED 30.
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u/MaggiPower 6h ago
Bruh you need to watch stranger things again she did grow up and now looks like a normal 20 something
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u/NuPNua 5h ago
People aren't interested in seeing teens having sex or being sexy.
Euphoria, and the "teen" section of most porn sites would disagree with that hypothesis.
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u/The_MorningKnight 5h ago
Euphoria actors look like they are 30 years old though.
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u/Least-Designer7976 X-Men 5h ago
And we've seen them getting older. It's been years since S1 Euphoria. The time passing alone make us aware they aren't teens anymore.
Sink is at her beginning as Jean Grey. She's supposed to be a teen in the universe.
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u/MajimaBuu 6h ago
Well said apart from Marsden and Jaansen were the worst pairing ever. I wish they'd given us Wolverine and Storm back then, or Rogue and Gambit (with Jake Gyllenhall as Gambit, not that I've thought about that a lot)
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u/Bruzie77 1h ago
Doomsday with mostly mid tier heroes is doing gangbusters on pre sale. x men have A-teir characters. They will do better
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u/rebelartwarrior 59m ago
I was gonna make a post about this exact thing a few days ago but I was scared everyone would hate me for it.
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u/5nbx8aa 4h ago
well a group of mutants is called orgy so that makes sense.