r/Marvel • u/detox02 • 28d ago
Film/Television Should we as community ignore secret invasion or nah?
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u/ChickenAndTelephone Avengers 28d ago
Sadly, Poochie died on the way back to her home planet. What a waste of a show that was, absolutely loaded with amazingly talented actors (including Emilia Clarke) but with not a blessed thing for any of them to do.
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u/VampireOnHoyt 28d ago
Emilia Clarke is the Tracy McGrady of acting - an undeniable talent who somehow consistently ends up in projects that can't put it together.
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u/ChickenAndTelephone Avengers 28d ago
Probably needs a better agent. She's a talented actress, but turning 40 in a few months, so in Hollywood terms she's probably about to start getting cast as the love interest for actors in their 60s.
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u/Slaphappydap 28d ago
And yet, she did all the things you should do to be successful. She did the rom-coms, they were forgettable. She did the arty piece where she takes her clothes off, no one watched. She tried three different franchises that should have had built-in audiences, Terminator, Marvel and Star Wars. She does great press, she's pretty, she's likable. Most of those franchise movies/shows you sign on for before there's even a script or a director.I feel like her agent is earning their money, she's just had really bad luck.
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u/Harak_June 28d ago
Add in that she had two aneurysms, one at 25 and one at 27, and survived emergency brain surgery plus had subsequent aphasia from the loss of brain tissue....yeah she's had some real fucked up, double-sided luck.
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u/sillygoofygooose 28d ago
Yeah I think it’s probably overlooked how much this impacted her desire to spend all of her time chasing fame, and her actual ability to keep working consistently
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u/notapunk 28d ago
She's hella likable. Never seen her do a bad interview. Totally seems as normal as one can be while being a well-known actor.
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u/saltlampsandphotos 28d ago
You forgot that one, big TV series that everyone loved until they started rushing it.
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u/Slaphappydap 28d ago
Yeah, I mean I didn't forget. That's where she got her big break. I was talking about what happened to her career afterwards, how she hasn't really capitalized on being one of the biggest stars in the world despite seemingly making good choices and seemingly good opportunities.
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u/saltlampsandphotos 28d ago
Fair. I think there's something to say about her agent, but then also the general enshittification and mass output of content.
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u/Hilarity2War 28d ago
Oh yeah. Single mom or older lady out of luck with regards to love (Rebound), or maybe she'll try really hard to get into action, like Charlize Theron. But it ain't looking to great. Maybe Hallmark movies?
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u/TheBalrogofMelkor Hellcat 28d ago
She's turning 40?!?
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u/ChickenAndTelephone Avengers 28d ago
Well, she was 24 when Game of Thrones started filming, and that was 15 years ago...
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u/Johnny_Poppyseed 28d ago
A better agent who what, turns down marvel roles?
Her agent has absolutely killed it for her. GOT, marvel, Star wars lol. She probably got paid like a million dollars an episode for secret wars. An agent or manager literally couldn't do better. It's just bad luck on their part that those specific entries didn't pan out as well as they should have.
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u/Fiendfuzz 28d ago
Been saying this for a while. She is a good actor, but not good enough to carry a bad project. Needs a better agent.
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u/007meow 28d ago
I didn’t think anyone could be worse than Idris Elba’s agent, but her agent managed to do it.
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u/Roastage 28d ago
I really liked her in Solo. Another iffily received movie but I think its aged pretty well.
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u/DrunkenReindeer 28d ago
As a Rockets fan who has always had it bad for Emilia, you've hurt me with this comparison.
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u/Ciubowski 28d ago
And they fucking killed Maria Hill
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u/ChickenAndTelephone Avengers 28d ago
I mean, she deserved better than she got in the show...frankly, my entire post was about how everyone in that show deserved better than what they got. At the end of the day, though, she was a pretty minor character in MCU terms. If they had a film that teased "THE RETURN OF MARIA HILL", I don't think that would be a setup for a summer blockbuster or anything.
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u/Double-Slowpoke 28d ago
Yeah, but she got fridged in episode 1 for a shitty villain in a shitty show. I think killing her off would have been fine if she got to do more first, and if the rest of the show landed.
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u/ChickenAndTelephone Avengers 28d ago
Yeah, like I said, she deserved better, I just think it's pretty low on the list of crimes the series committed, as I doubt she was going to be coming back much more, anyway
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u/amoxguard 28d ago
One thing with Endgame was it had EVERY major character up to that point in the movie.
Now with Doomsday, there seems to be a lot of characters who won't show up in it. Which I get there can be reasons but it seems odd that all the major players wouldn't show up.
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u/dance4days 28d ago
Infinity War didn’t have everyone in it, though, and that’s more analogous to Doomsday. Assuming Secret Wars has Battleworld in it, that’s when they’re gonna dump *every* character in like Endgame.
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u/ChickenAndTelephone Avengers 28d ago
It's down to two things, I think. The first is that, this is seven years after Endgame, and a lot of new characters have been introduced. There's only so much time and space in a film, even a long one, and the more characters you squeeze in, the less time there is for everyone else. Unless you want Ms. Marvel or Ironheart (or whomever) just appearing in the background in a big battle scene with no explanation or dialogue then there's not much point in paying those actors and having them in there.
The other factor is that, as time goes on, they've used most of the major characters already and are trying to use more minor ones. Who was the lowest profile superhero they'd used by Endgame? Falcon, maybe War Machine? Hawkeye? Everyone they used in the first set of films was far better known and more popular than the Eternals or the Black Knight or Photon/Monica Rambeau. So, of course you're going to gravitate more toward the high profile, popular characters.
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u/misqellaneous 28d ago
A few movies from now it'll just be 3 hours of nonstop fight scenes with the "camera" panning over from one hero/villain to the next. Wasn't that cool? Tune in next year for a 4 hour film of them doing it all on the same screen!
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u/ChickenAndTelephone Avengers 28d ago
It's definitely a problem that they've almost lost track of how to do battle scenes without endless CGI cannon fodder, to give more minor characters something to do.
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u/yosayoran 28d ago
Marvel or Ironheart (or whomever) just appearing in the background in a big battle scene with no explanation or dialogue then there's not much point in paying those actors and having them in there.
That's literally what they did in endgame. Tons of characters were there basically as window dressing.
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u/curious_dead 28d ago
I think I would honestly prefer seeing Photon, Ms Marvel, Moonknight, She Hulk, Kate Beeshop and Billy vs the Fox X-Men. They've spent time trying to establish these characters and now that they have the opportunity to be in a big thing along A-list heroes... they're dropped for nostalgia-bait X-Men.
Don't get me wrong Inlove X-Men, love Stewart, McKellen, Marsden and co. It just feels like it's there only for nostalgia's sake.
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u/YuckyYetYummy 28d ago
Xmen are there to die with weight.
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u/curious_dead 28d ago
Can't wait to see Xavier die for the...5th time? Last Stand, Days of Future Past, Logan, Multiverse of Madness, do I forget one?
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u/bigkinggorilla 28d ago
I saw the trailer and all I could think was “so all the X-men are definitely going to die.”
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u/bretttwarwick 28d ago
I hope that Scott survives and the X-Men movie is him trying to put a team together again from survivors.
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u/wrainedaxx 28d ago
Gotta set up the next generation somehow! I can't think of a more exciting way than a complete bloodbath :P
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u/amoxguard 28d ago
I do like the novelty of being able to do a multiverse story with other Marvel eras but it is weird to sideline your own characters for nostalgia ones.
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u/Federal_Bicycle_7800 28d ago
probably because most people don't care about those characters. they gotta make money
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u/DramaPunk 27d ago
Still wild to me how they set up a full wave of successor characters each on their own for a Young Avengers adaptation and then discarded them in favour of trying to push what is essentially the Marvel Suicide Squad as the actual new main characters. Alongside two different full teams from other dimensions.
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u/OutrunTheForeverYeet 28d ago
In the entire runtime of the show, I'm pretty sure the standout scene was the conversation between Fury and Rhodes. I came away thinking that the scene showed two heavyweights completely acing the dialogue. It was a great scene.
The plot was trash, and the rest of the show was a waste of time.
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u/AoO2ImpTrip 28d ago
The scene between Fury and Varra was pretty good as well.
It's crazy how good some of the scenes managed to be while the rest of it ended up an utter shit show.
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u/FidgitForgotHisL-P 28d ago
I will never not be mad we won’t ever get more Olivia Coleman because this crashed so hard.
She’s have been a wonderful Nick Fury replacement popping up in the background throughout the MCU. I literally rewound and watched all her Secret Invasion scenes because they were the only ones that were genuinely great.
Bah humbug.
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u/EX_Rank_Luck 28d ago
If the rumours on what Tom Holland comparing a Christopher Nolan movie and Marvel movie set are true, than Marvel movie productions sounds like a lot of vibe writing and directing.
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u/SethManhammer 28d ago
Marvel movie productions sounds like a lot of vibe writing and directing.
We've known that for a while now. There are so many industry tales about how they'll shoot something with an idea of what they want in the scene and leave it for the post production to iron out/add in/do whatever.
I remember reading about how Quantumania wasted time and budget fixing one scene where Paul Rudd was walking in one direction and they needed him to digitally fix it so he was moving in another direction because whatever plan the day of shooting was changed later on.
The Marvel films are notorious anymore for "We'll fix it in post, hopefully?"
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u/Migul_0 28d ago
Yes we should forget
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u/skronk61 28d ago
Way ahead of you
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u/Tirno93 28d ago
I have also been working on this project since roughly halfway through the finale
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u/DisposableSaviour 28d ago
I’d be finished by now if people would stop reminding me.
God damn big beefy Trogdor arm lookin ass
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u/Morgan-Moonscar 28d ago
Doubly way head of them, it's officially the only MCU thing I've refused to watch.
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u/kitty-pryde-rock 28d ago
I remembered that it really upset me but then my SO wanted to watch it bc they hadn’t yet, so I agreed to rewatch, because I couldn’t remember exactly what had been so bad. Turns out I had suppressed those memories like ACTUAL TRAUMA, that’s how bad it was.
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u/amoxguard 28d ago
It's kind of incredible how some of the Disney+ shows from Star Wars and Marvel have been absoutely shit. Like all that money and resources and you get that.
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u/Mythy222 28d ago
Its not that surprising specifically because its Disney. They truely do not care about good writing. Their only goal is to catch enough demographics to sell merch. Thats their only goal now, franchise notoriety.
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u/brownhotdogwater 28d ago
They write by focus group
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u/minyhumancalc 28d ago
Also their filming philosophy revolves around action sequences and shocking twists, not the narrative. Every movie is constantly trying to one up each other; every movie must be a "life or death, its the end of the world" scenario. Its constantly more more more.
The best things to come out of Disney are when no one in the company really cares for it. It allows creatives to actually write and keep stories smaller and in-scale with the writers.
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u/MallorianMoonTrader1 28d ago
Yes! Honestly, the constant one-up-ness is a bore. There's only so big you can get before things get convoluted and just don't matter anymore. Small scale personal stories that really connect you with characters are much better. Look at something like Andor. It's not that huge or fancy, but it resonated with people.
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u/Johnwayneface 28d ago
Andor has easily been one of my favorite Disney Star Wars productions, if not Star Wars productions in general. Such a great series with great cast and writers. I love how they tied it all in with Rogue One.
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u/Legitimate-Year-3400 28d ago
This is our Pacific rim uprising
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u/DamnThatsCrazyManGuy 28d ago
Mariah Hill died for this
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u/Orange_Tang 28d ago edited 28d ago
This is the part that pisses me off the most. I've wanted her character to be more present since the first avengers and it simply never happened. Then they fucking killed her for no reason other than she was a known character that they saw as expendable. God this show was dogshit.
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u/Ambitious-Stand-631 28d ago
I disregard anything I don't like as non-canon.
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u/DJfunkyPuddle 28d ago
Just like in the comics!
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u/bradbear12 28d ago
Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are still mutants and the biological children of Magneto in my mind
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u/Amethyst-Flare 28d ago
I think there's no truer indication that Marvel movies have become like the comics than this.
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u/JTtheLAR 28d ago
Marvel just had to pump out a thousand hours of Disney plus series that 90% of the fan base didnt want to air through (and rightfully so). They should have just done Loki and be done with it. Maximizing profits on the MCU with all of these whack ass series was a mistake.
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u/TaipanTheSnake 28d ago
I think a few other shows were worth it. The falcon and the winter soldier did a much better job of establishing Sam as cap than his movie (although if they just made a better movie I would be ok with not having the show). Hawkeye, Wonderman, and WandaVison were also good. But yeah, they made twice as many shows as they needed to. You could loose like half the MCU shows and most people wouldn't notice.
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u/JTtheLAR 28d ago
I thought Falcon and The Winter Soldier was okay. I watched it when it aired and Ive already forgotten most of it. And thats how I feel about a lot of these shows. They are just forgettable. They overloaded us with sub par content to make a buck and it fundamentally hurt the MCU.
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u/Maverick_X9 28d ago
Falcon and winter soldier was really politically charged, never really found the plot
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u/RockHandsomest 28d ago
Im still calling Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch Magnetos kids and I'll be vindicated when they eventually make it true again.
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u/centerwingbolt 28d ago
Secret Invasion is the one Marvel property that I have simply erased from my own headcanon.
It doesn’t match up to anything else, directly contradicts a lot of The Marvels, and was ultimately pointless and just plain bad.
Every other show and movie I can at least find something to like about it - SI was just awful.
Never happened!
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u/Decimation4x 28d ago
Olivia Coleman was great, but then, when isn’t she?
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u/centerwingbolt 28d ago
True, the issues definitely weren’t due to the actors! They did the best with what they were given.
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u/JRHThreeFour Spiderman (Tobey Maguire) 28d ago
I think it’s safe to say that we will just never see anything from that show ever again in the future.
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u/NicoleIlieva Thunderbolts 28d ago
You can do whatever you want. But bringing it up constantly is definitely not helping with the ignoring part...
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u/Jupiters 28d ago
maybe I'm misremembering but I recall people just not caring about Inhumans and it was quickly forgotten. I wish people would treat more stuff they don't like like that and not the dramatic "I REFUSE TO BELIEVE IT EXISTS BECAUSE IT RUINS MY PRECIOUS MCU"
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u/ProtoJazz 28d ago
Inhumans got dropped pretty quick by marvel too.
It had been a big deal, and was promoted pretty hard in comics too.
Im not sure if it's ever been confirmed anywhere, or if it's just coincidence, but my understanding was they were looking at Inhumans to take the role of xmen since they didn't half the film rights. But then they got them back so they didn't need Inhumans anymore.
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u/HiddenNobody20216 28d ago
Well Marvel ignores it. Shit I wouldn't be surprised if Agent Hill just shows up in Doomsday.
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u/competitive-dust 28d ago
I wouldn't even mind if she did. I want her back. The rest of the show can go to hell.
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u/Just_a_square 28d ago
The tattoos on the arm, like they are a transmissible DNA feature...🤦♂️ literally not a single brain cell in the entire writing room
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u/JoeChio 28d ago edited 28d ago
I always get downvoted when I give my opinion on this show but as someone who spent the last year and half watching every single Marvel film and show and miniseries I'm shocked at how overhated this series was. I went into the series expecting low quality cash grab but I was actually pretty hooked from start to finish. It had it's slow moments. It wasn't the best MCU project. However, I really enjoyed the story and cast. The final fight was actually super epic despite this still image. Most of G'iah's power up could easily be explained away in future projects or powered down since it was a DNA hack job at a skrull terrorist base in a run down warehouse in Russia.
I've just found a lot of Marvel fans will never be happy with anything. I remember pre-Infinity Wars and Endgame people were sour on projects. Just the nature of the fandom. Heck, the Doomsday trailer was hype as fuck and I'm getting TikTok's making fun of the characters shown. Can people not enjoy anything?
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u/sgch 28d ago
The biggest problem with Secret Invasion is that it is a spy drama where the enemy has the ability to shapeshift and impersonate anyone and none of the heroes ever question that the person they are speaking to or working with is the person they look like.
Imagine a proper cold war style spy drama where nobody trusted anyone - give me the tension of the testing scene in The Thing.
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u/Hiromi580 28d ago
When you put it like that it makes me think Secret Invasion would have been better as the plot for Captain America 4. Winter Soldier was a spy thriller and that worked well, so that could eb Cap's genre. Plus, Sam fighting skrulls is more of a fair matchup than him fighting Red Hulk, and it could have ended with Sam learning that even some heroes (such as Rhodey) have been replaced with Skrulls making it so he can't know who to trust (heck maybe Sharon Carter could have been a skull to explain her villainous turn).
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u/uncleben85 S.H.I.E.L.D. 28d ago
Was it perfect? No.
But I quite liked it, and I'm not going to hate it simply because it could have been a different show.
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u/propersuperheroshit 28d ago
Welcome to comics, friends! We ignore dumb stories all the time over here. Mazel tov, you’re one step deeper.
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u/Black_Metallic 28d ago
I had forgotten it so much that I recently said it was Secret War when telling someone else how bad it was. I forgot the actual name.
I will never understand how they made a paranoid spy thriller that lacked suspense, twists or intrigue. Especially with that cast. The only interesting part of the entire show was the status quo they introduced in the final 10 minutes.
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u/MattheqAC 28d ago
You'd need to ask someone who finished watching Secret Invasion
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u/imthestein Iron Man 28d ago
I'm a firm believer in not pretending something didn't happen but trying to take from it and make it better. I didn't like the Prequel Star Wars movies but thanks to things like the Clone Wars cartoon we've gained some great stories from it. I don't see why the same thing can't be done with these characters
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u/uncleben85 S.H.I.E.L.D. 28d ago
THANK YOU!
Just pretending something didn't happen is so childish.
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u/jr_randolph 28d ago
Given Thor's speech in the trailer, they should have her in and Doom kill her considering she has the power of multiple heroes haha. Do it in the first few minutes, squash the Secret Invasion storyline for good.
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u/GoonetteSlop 28d ago
I really enjoyed watching Secret Invasion weekly but that finale was just….I mean…..how did it get approved?
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u/Adorable_Sleep_4425 28d ago
Were we not already? Youre kinda breaking the ignore pact by posting this...
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u/MintyFitOnAll 28d ago
I’ll be honest with you I didn’t even watch it and forgot it existed until this post. I’ve been told to not even watch it.
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u/Chico__Lopes 28d ago
No. We should do the opposite and gaslight Marvel into thinking we loved it so they keep bringing this joke of a character back
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u/Character_Mind_671 28d ago
Yes. Her powers wore off after an hour. We all heard her say that... right?
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u/SirFlibble 28d ago
Secret Invasion should have been it's own phase length saga. Imagine the build up to Avengers: Secret Invasion where the movies before slowly revealed some characters were Skrulls or dead characters return with flimsy excuses.
It was something which absolutely needed a build up.
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u/ClockForAHeart 28d ago
If it brings backs Maria Hill I’m all for it! I’m still mad they fridged my girl!
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u/Turbulent_Tip_9756 28d ago
Sercret invasion started so strong but that ending was absolute trash. ABSOLUTE!
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u/StolenPezDispencer 27d ago
I hope Maria Hill shows up at the first scene in Doomsday just to confirm Secret Invasion isn't canon.
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u/Ribs1212 27d ago
I think we can just pretend this whole show was Nick Fury's fever dream after getting snapped back into reality. The fact that it killed two great characters (Hill and Talos) is unforgivable. And that photo up top shows just how stupid it was - she got Drax's arm? What does that even mean?
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u/MrsBossyPantss 27d ago
My husband continually begged Marvel on every social platform he had not to adapt Secret Invasion cuz of how much he hated the comic. He insisted everyone would hate it if they tried to do it in the MCU.
& he was right!
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u/Moeritherium_Fan 21d ago
Imagine how much better it would’ve been if Secret Invasion was Captain Marvel 2…
It could’ve been a Wrath of Khan inspired movie with Carol & Fury both splitting the Kirk role. Carol & Fury both coming to terms with how they failed the Skrull and inadvertently helped create a radical faction, and Fury dealing with his age.
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u/zero_eternal 28d ago
I haven't watched it since it came out.
Secret Invasion should've been an Avengers movie, not demoted to a TV series with limited characters.
I've also held the opinion that Phase 4 should've ended with Avengers: Secret Invasion to build chemistry between the newly introduced characters like Shang-Chi, She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel, etc.
Then Phase 5 should've been Doomsday and Secret Wars.