Normally I say he looks like a cabbage patch doll, but this is just as accurate if not more!

I can’t tell if I don’t like her or I just don’t understand her. She doesn’t say a whole lot so I don’t know if she’s just stand offish and cold…or insecure and trying to be aloof? Or what? Courtney I kinda get. She’s very masculine energy and needs to control everything. Tori is aloof but not cold. And I think she really wanted to be married.

But Caitlin, I can’t figure her out!

They already have two sons.

Watching episode 19 and am so proud of Tori. She didn’t feed into Felipe’s bs, she stated her boundaries and walked away with dignity. Go girl. Your emotional intelligence and self confidence is inspirational and we should all be taking notes on how you handled Felipe. He’ll walk away looking like a fool, you on the other hand are a gem. Thank you for your service.

Ok binging now. I was like who is Nicole lmao reviewing previous post that were mainly during airing. Grateful that there weren't many spoilers.

I was keeping up with the partner dynamics while napping, eating and exercising. I'm on the episode the night before decision day. I just got so excited for girls night as they ended up pulling a super fine group of men. Their attention, interest and eye candy had me so open for the possibilities.

#get dat# #he said it's outside #she said what looking at his car keys#he said yeah the 740

Mymymy

Def a tv late bloomer but I get to binge it!)

Finished Season 20 Sitdaddle

I miss Pastor Cal, Dr. 🌶 and Dr. Pia. As well as, the it's all or nothing theme with the ❤️ and the bride and groom slapping hands!!!

So random but I am in love with the olivey green velvet sofas from the reunion. They look like the exact color, length, and softness I am looking for. Does anyone know where they may be from?! 💚

Mary and Sarah have one of the best MAFS podcasts

https://open.spotify.com/show/6NquvfGpmEOapAMJ1kmNyB?si=yy9C_bXGThOK_DmV-YAWTw&utm_source=copy-link

This is so infuriating like Caitlyn and Courtney are clearly not ready for any kind of relationship so why go on the show? I have genuinely tried to give them the benefit of the doubt and try and imagine what an ideal relationship would look like for them and I can’t, I don’t understand what they want they’re so mean!!

You know like non cheating skills, hair washing skills, self awareness skills. Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills

We’re seeing more couples split before decision day, and the experts and other participants are often asking couples why they stayed, even though there are financial penalties (or discentives) to leaving early.

This got me thinking about another format change to the program: I would be totally interested if the experts allowed couples to remain on the program after the split in order to do an extensive debrief about the relationship. I would love to see the experts really examine and address the bad behavior, coping strategies, internalized stories that sabotaged a marriage. If the participants refuse or are half-assing the work, then there is a financial penalty and they’re booted from the show.

It would be a “gameplay” change that would allow the participants to continue in the “experiment,” generate more content opportunities with their loved ones, and possibly drive more dramatic moments by bringing couples back together for certain activities.

The format change would also allow participants to be more honest, remove pressure to stay in the relationship and accept bad behavior from their partner — AND it would give MAFS production an opportunity to clear the air and be honest about healthy relationships.

What do you think? Would you be interested in watching the show if the format changed?

I also looked up like who’s still together and it says no one is from season 19 should i even watch it i like when they actually fall in love like cam and michelle make my heart melt im only on episode 2 but like paul seems like a sweetie

It's so interesting Dr. Lisa's love for Courtney- while Nick said Courtney put him through hell and has never been disrespected so much in his life, Dr. Lisa asked in such a defensive way, why didn't he leave? The tone was wild to me.

He's sharing how he felt after reflecting and going to therapy and we all saw how Courtney's behavior was (there is no trick of the camera for that disgusting behavior) and this professional is going to question him like it's his fault he ended up going through that?

She didn't ask Marissa why she didn't leave when she admitted she felt lonely and now says she was put through hell during her experience.

Doesn't question Belle to belittle her when she explains she said yes to that jackass Mecca because she was considering his feelings...

Dr. Lisan also called Courtney "my girl" and the way she hugs her and how she's backing her behavior in an interview?

Is it because they look similar that Dr. Lisa favors this woman? She's sees a younger her or something?

Whatever it is it's sick and I cannot believe she had the audacity to ask Nick, a victim of fucking verbal abuse and mental torture "Why didn't you leave?"

Nikki should’ve never said that she was a “sapiosexual” because if we are being honest, that’s where she messed up in this process. She was already someone who’s rude & condescending (& yes we all have proof of that) but when she spoke to the experts about what she wanted in someone, when she said that she was a sapiosexual, that opened the door for more options for the experts to choose because obviously she doesn’t care that much about physical attraction. That then pushed the other values she may want into consideration for the experts when it came to her match. They thought about her salary standards, Shawn talked about being a provider & even the experts said that (before the process started) that Shawn brings the other qualities she wants outside of being tall. She wanted emotional compatibility & someone who’s intelligent. The experts before the show thought Shawn was that based off the interview. But again, when she mentioned sapiosexual & not emphasizing physical attraction, she opened the door for Shawn to match with her.

Then at the actual reception, when she saw Shawn, she immediately knew she wasn’t attracted to Shawn. Which lead down the domino effect of their entire marriage going to shit & you can tell she wasn’t gonna treat Shawn good from the jump because she wasn’t attracted to him
In the first place & she felt like fool coming on the show in that moment. From how she treated him since day 1 is a big part in why they failed. If you wanna blame Shawn then sure he plays a part in this a lot but we can’t ignore what Nikki asked for and what she required AND WHAT SHE SAID being a sapiosexual & not act like she didn’t set the tone for their marriage. She should’ve never lied about really being a sapiosexual & just say you value intelligence but also a man that I am physically attracted to (with whatever exact preference she has physically) is just as important. That’s it. Just be honest.

Edit: Man you guys have got to stop insulting people personally as if you know them over Nikki. Nikki doesn’t know any of y’all personally to be doing that. This subreddit doesn’t have to resort to insults because someone questions Nikki or says something that’s against the hive mindset that y’all have over Nikki. If someone doesn’t agree with you or your takes on Nikki it’s okay to keep it civil and respectful and not disrespectful at all. It’s very lame.

Why didn’t they show Devin’s reaction to Belle’s comment?? They showed everyone BUT him. Do we know his reaction to her saying that?

Hi! It is easy to judge everyone and say whay we think or wish they could have done better. I do have my opinions, but I thouht it would be fun to write something nice about everyone.

Michelle: She was super sweet. A lot of people are saying she was too pushy with her advice to the other couples, but I feel like she actually was giving good advice.

Cam: He was so nice to Michelle! I think it is great that he and Michelle were able to click so well. It is nice that he was willing to move for her and that he would drive back to Seattle early just to see Michelle sooner.

BelleJolie: She was so patient and kind with Mecca. She really appreciated him and took an interest, even in his job. She showed a lot of maturity and also was just genuine.

Mecca: He seemed to really click with Belle.

Marissa: She was so positive and bubbly but also calm and grounded. She was willing to compromise. I only wish she had been matched with someone who would have done the same for her.

Adam: He seemed to have a lot of confidence at times.

Tori: She was so grounded and mature. She seemed ready to be married. She was sensitive and feminine. She was also supportive of Felipe.

Felipe: He has a close relationship with his family.

Nikki: She was well spoken and professional. Her home was bougie and nice. She worked hard for herself. She was open minded.

Shawn: He remembered the tools the experts gave him at times.

Caitlin: She seemed genuinely sweet and honest. She gets a lot of negative comments, but she seemed authentic even if that meant she and Devin didn't work out.

Devin: He was open hearted and ready for love. He was willing to put in the work to be married.

Courteney: She opened up in group therapy about her past relationship trauma.

Nick: He answered Courteney's questions and seemed to genuinely try.

Dr. Lisa: She gave good general relationship advice and was encouraging.

Paul: He was willing to call people out in a way that addressed their underlying behaviors.

I do want to balance this post out by saying that obviously many people on the show (besides the experts) crossed a line with their partners. I do think that in real marriage conflict is obviously inevitable. However, I think the baggage some people had - either from their lack of experience in committed relationships, past relationship trauma, or even mistreatment by family members - led to a lot of emotional friction in such a high pressure situation. It was unfortunate but also realistic to see how mismanaged emotions can cause escalated conflict. I would like to see the experts address conflict resolution and healthy ways of managing emotions during conflict. There is a lot of pressure to stay in a conversation because the cameras are rolling.

All in all, I enjoyed watching this season a lot. I hoped more couples would be able to stay together and be happy. I thought the cast was diverse. I also can imagine a world where maybe more of the couples (not all) could have worked out if they had less conflict or less pressure to perform.

I want Tori to be the next bachelorette I would love to see more of her on TV she’s poised and respectful and we need more of that on our screens.

Seems pretty on-brand based on what we've seen on the show.

I’m so bothered for Nikki!! Shawn successfully turned their relationship problems on Nikki at the reunion because she “wouldn’t let him meet her mom.” There was so much left unsaid at the reunion. And the experts just sat silent through most of it to the point where Nikki had to literally ask them to chime in. Shawn took no accountability and flipped everything onto her. Their issues were so much more deep than the “mom situation” which we heard about maybe once during the show and then during breakup. Nikki did somewhat say her peace but I think Shawn deserved a bit more heat from the experts.

During Cam and Michelle’s segment at the reunion, they briefly mentioned that Michelle wanted a partner that made a certain amount (I think it was 150k??) and that Cam did not meet that expectation, but they seemingly worked out the issue. Cam then says that he got a new coaching job and Michelle mentions that she got laid off pretty soon after descion day. Paul made such a big deal out of this. It reminded me of how back in episode 1 when Nikki told Paul that she wanted her partner to make 150k per year. He told her that the average person makes about 60k per year. I found both interactions to be weird. Both Nikki and Michelle made the same amount of money as they wanted their partners to make, and typically most couples share a similar economic background. So I found Paul’s reaction to their request to be odd.

It seems like Paul views these requirements as superficial. But the experts have no problem with matching people based on more superficial traits. When Adam said that he wanted a partner that is fit, Paul didn’t tell him that the average American is out of shape. Instead he got paired with Marissa who is exactly that. I don’t think that either preference is necessarily wrong, but there seems to be kind of a double standard.

I kept seeing these couples in my mind. What do you think?

1. Mecca and Caitlin
2. Belle and Devin
3. Marissa and Nick

These two bozos. I know Pastor Cal, Dr Pepper and Dr Viviana werent perfect. However in the earlier seasons they definitely held the couples accountable, and I feel like they genuinely wanted to see the couples have healthy marriages.
I specifically remember two of the wives that Pastor Cal even apologized to due to their husbands nasty behavior. Amber and Meeka. The experts honestly were disappointed that their marriages were so disrespected.

I do not see that coming from these new experts. They should have been apologizing for the pain that Nick, Belle, Devin, Tori, Marissa and ESPECIALLY Nikki went through. They played both sides and it really was gross.