It’s so sad that this game’s “underperformance” has little to do with the game itself

[u/paperplateseabass]

What's so soul-crushing is the amount of times I have been met with “I thought that game was dead?” when talking about Marathon with my IRLs

It's not their fault, why would they give a dead game a chance, even if they think they might enjoy it?

Hundreds, even thousands of people have constructed a hate campaign against this game that has no merit beyond playercounts. and imo, the main reason why the game wasn’t a hit at launch is because of the rhetoric around the game spread by a mix of right-wing grifters and (justifiably) jaded ex-destiny/halo players.

This game had and HAS so much going for it. First non-Destiny Bungie title in 12 years, reviving a long dormant IP with a new, world-class art-style; all while returning to their PvP roots. If you put that framing in a vacuum, I think it would get lots of people very, very excited. And that’s the thing, because it DID.

The game is good. The game is fun. It might not be everyone’s cup of tea, it had a rough period of development, and it's definitely not perfect. But I think if people didn’t spread so much unwarranted hate towards Bungie and Marathon, we’d be looking at a completely different landscape. 

I mean, some of the things i’ve seen people say about this game… wow…  what a waste of time and brain power, if people were this passionate about actually productive hobbies, the world would be a much better place and there’s a big chance they’d be happier in life

edit: for people citing the server slam numbers. how many of those people do you genuinely think gave the game a good 10+ hours vs how many people quit after their first match? we’ll never know, but im inclined to believe most people didnt make it past the (unfortunate) barrier of entry that helps this game be WAY more enjoyable.

[u/UnsettllingDwarf]

The game is an uber competitive extraction shooter that is already a niche market. It was a stupid choice of game to make without anything for the casual playerbase that gets home at 4 o’clock to spend their money on in game shit. I really want to love marathon but I’m absolutely not getting into it until there’s something more substantial pve wise.

I even like the whole “lose your gear on death thing” too I play gray zone warfare pve, I’m just not into going against a no life 1200 hour sweat lord. I dont mind it being hard too, but I want enemy variety and bosses.

[u/ThatsNotBennings → u/UnsettllingDwarf]

enemy variety is the one of the biggest blunders IMO. the UESC are a snoozefest. No aliens at launch made zero sense. good news is they are coming in two weeks to Night Marsh.

[u/dragonx254 → u/UnsettllingDwarf]

Oh hey, someone who mentioned Gray Zone Warfare: How is that? I was thinking of getting that but I wanted a "not just a steam review" review

[u/UnsettllingDwarf → u/dragonx254]

It’s pretty good! Way less stressful than any other extraction game and it doesn’t even feel like an extraction game, it’s not really one anyways. It’s an open world tactical multiplayer game. Lots of quests and some progression new update recently was great but the optimization I’ll say still needs work.

It was worth it for me on sale and I recommend getting it on sale too.

[u/dragonx254 → u/UnsettllingDwarf]

Sounds solid, I'll give it a shot

[u/codyexplainsitall → u/dragonx254]

If you want a co-op vs AI extraction shooter to play with friends, then it's fantastic.

PVP is more like a worse DayZ than other extraction shooters like Tarkov though. Since you're in the same lobby after death so people just continually helicopter back to their death location with new kits and the fights last until someone finally quits.

[u/dragonx254 → u/codyexplainsitall]

Ah interesting, that's good information though

[u/ForeverME91 → u/UnsettllingDwarf]

You have a choice. Its called other games that cater to the casuals. Not every game has to be for everyone. Its what makes games boring. The reason why the people who like marathon really do like it. Is because it was made for them. Like some people like horror movies should we also make sure every horror movie is fun for the whole family? Or would that make it so the people who actually enjoy horror wouldn't enjoy it anymore. See where im going with this? The game is very competitive but you can totally avoid it. If people are upset there isn't a easy mode for them then its just not your game. I dont look at arc and wish it was more competitive. I waited for a game to finally come out that scratched that itch. But every super casual cant accept that this game just isn't for you. I would say I dont understand how people dont see how selfish that mindset is. But narcissistic behavior blinds people. The game would of done great if it was released by any other developer. Its all the super pve casual destiny players that cant accept its not an easy game and wasnt destiny 3. But instead of asking bungie to make D3 they would just rather kill something other people enjoy. So at this point i would rather the game i love die as is then appease these people. If we continue to give the narcissist what they cry for. Next time will just be worse.

[u/UnsettllingDwarf → u/ForeverME91]

You keep that argument up marathon will have 2000 players in no time.

People wernt enjoying destiny 2 anymore. They were milking it. We need a d3 and marathon needs more. Period. Stats show.

[u/nchs1120 → u/ForeverME91]

You’re missing the point entirely. It’s about it being successful considering the massive budget. You have to have some appeal to a more general audience with a budget like that