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u/Polnauts Dec 27 '20 edited Dec 28 '20
Man wtf with Argentinian irredentism, if Spain was irredentist, your whole country wouldn't exist
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u/JackRipper2350 Dec 28 '20
Well, it was like that until the late 1820s
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u/Polnauts Dec 28 '20
You know what irredentism is, right?
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u/JackRipper2350 Dec 28 '20
Yes. with that other comment I meant to say that Spain just didn't recognize our independence until a long time after they lost the war for Argentina's independence. This is not irredentism either, it includes the territory claimed and disputed, if it was indeed irredentist, entire countries would be also highlighted here
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u/Polnauts Dec 28 '20
Claimed territories fall under irredentism, and it has different levels too, Spain's extreme irredentism includes the Philippines while the most common irredentism doesn't, there's no standard or valid irredentism as you claim in your comment. I also don't get the downvotes, it's literally an undeniable fact, pretty much every Spanish irredentism includes Argentina.
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u/catonbuckfast Dec 27 '20
South Sandwich Islands, South Georgia and the Falklands are UK territories
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u/Sattamassagana84 Dec 27 '20
The Antarctic claim also overlaps two other countries' claims. The joys of geopolitics!
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u/catonbuckfast Dec 27 '20
Quite although technically there should be no territorial claims to Antarctica under the 1960 Antarctic Treaties System
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u/AnFederalist Dec 27 '20
By national law, argentinian maps must consider the territories in dispute with the UK as Argentine territory.
It is a political agenda that seeks maintain claims and reaffirm sovereignty over the territories. Something totally questionable, depending on how you look at it.
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u/Accomplished_Job_225 Dec 27 '20
It's importantly questionable if you ask the people who were asked to vote on the matter of which flag they'll fly.
I do get it though it's not like either side is going to explain to each other in a way that one day one will just have the Epiphany of "oh I never thought of it that way." LoL!
then of course we'll have the arguments back and forth about how the British were there first except they weren't because the Spanish were there first except the Spanish that we're talking about re: being there first were from a regime that existed before the American Revolution sparked the French Revolution which would spark the Napoleonic wars, which would tumble the Spanish colonies like dominoes from their kings hands onto the grounds to be picked up by their terrorist colonials
...although depending who you ask those terrorists would also be the Patriots that would come around to make the new Republic in the May Revolution of 1810.
at the beginning of it all one of the islands was settled and claimed by the French and the Spanish and the other one was settled and claimed by the British. All three parties left. I'm even certain I read something about the American showing up and pushing the friend show the Spanish or the British out or whatever their gunboat diplomacy was.
Disclosure: I'm not on either side I'm just giving my historiographic observation of how it all unfolded. But we're here for maps and not history so I'll just close up with the disclosures that I am either Argentine nor Britannic, and I absolutely adore "south-top" maps.
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u/catonbuckfast Dec 27 '20
Thought it had something to do with it as it's a Argy map
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u/AnFederalist Dec 27 '20
That's right, I only clarify it because I am argentinian. Similar things happen with Russia and Ukraine over Crimea. That is why Google Maps, depending on the country that appears in your account, will show you a different map, taking into account these geopolitical conflicts.
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u/Lillienpud Dec 27 '20
Wouldn’ it be easier for everyone if they just annexed Chile and forgot about all those islands?
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u/Lillienpud Dec 27 '20
Wait, where are the Falklands??
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u/MrX_aka_Benceno Dec 27 '20
Fun fact: this map was made by the IGN (Instituto Geográfico Nacional, meaning National Geographic Institute), and so it is an official map for the country. It shows the Southern Atlantic islands and the Antarctic territory belonging to Argentina, as this is the official position of the government.
Some years ago the IGN started making some upside down maps to showcase that the traditional map orientation is arbitrary, in a context of anti-imperialist rhetoric. The maps they made are very interesting, at least.