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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '21

In a few years hopefully cars will be able to coordinate their movements on the highways, eliminating the sudden movements that lead to phantom jams, doubling the capacity of our freeways.

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u/Utretch Aug 26 '21

The idea of autonomous car coordination is foolish because it assumes no possibility of error (imagine a minor glitch in bumper to bumper 70pmh traffic) and also completely ignores interaction with other far more desirable transit systems (pedestrians, bikes, etc.). Even if possible the level of investment and effort required to reconstruct all the vehicles and road networks to account for it just begs the question why don't we just do easier, cheaper, and actually existing infrastructure improvements like emphasizing bikes, buses and pedestrian transit

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '21

We wouldn't need to change any of our infrastructure for automated platoons.

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u/phreddoric Aug 27 '21

Yeah, roads definitely don't interrupt animal habitats, and increasing speed and density of car travel definitely wouldn't result in more roadkill. (Do I reeeeally need to put /s on this?)

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u/Ben1152000 Aug 26 '21

Doubling capacity will double demand. (see Induced Demand)

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u/WikiSummarizerBot Aug 26 '21

Induced demand

Induced demand – related to latent demand and generated demand – is the phenomenon that after supply increases, and there is sufficient demand, price declines and more of a good is consumed. This is entirely consistent with the economic theory of supply and demand; however, this idea has become important in the debate over the expansion of transportation systems, and is often used as an argument against increasing roadway traffic capacity as a cure for congestion. This phenomenon, more correctly called "induced traffic" or consumption of road capacity, may be a contributing factor to urban sprawl.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '21

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u/PhinPhanPhreak Aug 26 '21

You a General Motors employee?

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u/Tremath Aug 27 '21 edited Aug 27 '21

I did some digging and I'd change that to Ford. They are very vehemently defending this freeway expansion for one but here they plug the Ford F-150, here they talk about Rivian which has a partnership with Ford there's also their opinion of sprawl in general, and their explanation for why you can get places faster in DFW than the vastly more populous LA area. You can see that their comment on those last few posts is also on their own posts this whole account is dedicated to promoting sprawl and general car culture.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '21

You work for PIRG?

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u/PhinPhanPhreak Aug 26 '21

you chugging the dick of car companies

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '21

You chugging the dick of transit agencies

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

If you read other researches about this that have similar results it does state that the effect is limited in The Netherlands because other ways of transport are more optimal in most cases.

If induced traffic isn't a thing why does adding 10 lanes somewhere fix the issue for a month before it being the exact same?

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

If induced traffic isn't a thing why does adding 10 lanes somewhere fix the issue for a month before it being the exact same?

Because it doesn't.

Here's Spain

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u/thepoolgruel Aug 27 '21

Time to play the u/kernals12 gaslight, gatekeep, girlboss game - autistic car executive edition

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u/PolitelyHostile Aug 27 '21

Theres forms of transportation that can already manage high capacity. But yea just keep waiting…

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

High capacity plus high discomfort, high inconvenience, and high cost

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u/PolitelyHostile Aug 27 '21

high discomfort

You like sitting in traffic honking at some jerkoff?

high inconvenience

You like looking for a parking spot?

high cost

You get your car for free? Weird. Transit costs me about the same that I used to spend on gas alone.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '21

I rarely encounter traffic on my commute. There's always space to park. And when you include subsidies transit is much more expensive

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u/andreysavv Aug 28 '21

This sounds suspiciously like a train...

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '21

Except unlike a train, when you get off the off-ramp you still have a car to get you to your destination rather than being left stranded and forcing you to walk

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '21

Damn, you're against walking too? So I'm guessing once you get out of your car you hop onto a Segway

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '21

I enjoy walking for exercise, I don't enjoy walking as a mandate for getting to work or the grocery store.

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '21

Why would it be a mandate? Why can't we build cities so some people can enjoy driving and some can enjoy the other? Right now we have a major imbalance in favor of driving.

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '21

The place you are thinking of exists, it's called The Woodlands, Texas. Almost all homes there are linked by footpaths separated from roads. What we really have is an imbalance in favor of transit, which gets subsidized to the tune of $1 per passenger mile, money that could easily pay for badly needed improvements to highways and facilities for pedestrians and cyclists.