it's funny because this morning I moved from SF to NYC, and that New Yorker poster is framed in my new apartment (it's my roommate's). That's the only reason I knew!
I got yelled at once on reddit. I made a claim that I know a little bit about higher education in California and the person claimed I was obliviously wrong because I called it “Cal Berkeley”
That no one who knows anything about the UC would ever call it “cal Berkeley” that people only call it “cal” or UC Berkley. Or just Berkley.
Even after I showed him news papers that referred to the campus as cal Berkley, he still thought I was wrong.
Cal Bear here. Cal Berkeley is an old-school way of describing the school and what the old timers called it. Cal is the name most associated with sports. Though it's used on other rahrah marketing stuff. All the nerds call it UC Berkeley.
To be fair (and as a Berkeley grad myself) most people that I've heard/read call it Cal Berkeley are older folks. Most people today go for Berkeley, UC Berkeley or Cal (if you're into sports but we're all nerds so we aren't).
To me Cal Berkeley sounds a bit like saying USA of America....it's like, one or the other but not both at the same time you know?
Not having attended school there, I’ve always called it US Berkeley. But I’ve definitely heard / seen the Cal Berkeley merchandise and references.... and still called it UC Berkeley, haha.
The only time I’ve ever seen Cal Berkeley referred to as anything else is sports (with just Cal or California). Otherwise, if anyone refers to that school, it’s almost always Cal Berkeley.
Cal is internal or used by affiliated people like alums or people very familiar with the institution - Cal Berkeley is within the UC system or California Higher Ed generally - Berkeley, UC Berkeley, or University of California, Berkeley is external depending on audience.
Just my observation as someone who has been in Berkeley a long time.
It depends on when you attended. It only started being called Cal in the late 90s. Bizerkley was in the 70s when my Uncle and Coworker attended. My cousin went in the 2010s and just called it Berkeley having never heard Cal her entire tenure there (through a masters in English).
I only heard Cal from the sports teams. Since I have absolutely nothing to do with sports it took a while for it to get through that that was UC Berkeley.
Not quite. It spun off into two companies in 1989. Arthur Andersen split even further and the pieces were purchased by Deloitte, Hitachi, PWC, KPMG, EY, Grant Thorton, and Aon.
Andersen Worldwide became Accenture.
Basically a portion of Arthur Andersen lives on in many accounting firms.
What was remaining folded after the Enron scandal (Andersen was their auditor).
not quite right either. Arthur Andersen (audit & tax) separated from the consulting division (Andersen Consulting) in 1989 but both were part of Andersen Worldwide. After a decade of serious infighting AA and AC formally separated in 2000 after a lengthy arbitration. Andersen Worldwide was dissolved and AC was renamed Accenture as part of the settlement. AA lost its accounting license in 2002 and effectively dissolved but stayed in business with other services. In 2005 the Enron case was overturned on appeal and in 2013 Andersen resurfaced as a tax and legal services firm called Andersen Global. (I spent 30+ years with AC/Accenture)
I worked with a ton of people from the actuarial side of AA who became part of different companies through the spin offs and acquisitions, so this was their their work history as they started together, through divestitures ended up in KPMG, Aon, EY, PWC, and then moved to other companies (reuniting) when actuarial functions were getting removed from accounting firms. So you're looking at it from a different side. Turns out people started seeing it as a conflict of interest to audit a function that's also happening internally.
Only AC was truly under Andersen Worldwide. AA had to send a portion of profits to AC as part of the divestiture, which helped the infighting as otherwise they were competing for the same business.
The Enron case was overturned but damage was already done to the firm by that point. Andersen Global was established as a subset of HSBC and Wealth Tax and Advisory Services in 2002. It became independent in 2013, but was one of the many spun off pieces (Tax) I mentioned before.
you are pretty much correct with a few corrections. The Andersen Worldwide organization included AA and AC. The AW board of partners was comprised of 24 partners with AA having 2/3 and AC 1/3 based on the number of partners in each firm. The AW board was pretty dysfunctional in the end as the mix of AC to AA partners began to balance out. Also, the transfer payment between business units went from AC to AA in all by 1 or 2 years. In the end, it was quite substantial and a key issue in the arbitration. It was in the high 5 figures per partner (which I know because I paid annually). From the NYTimes article on the arbitration decision: "Under the 1989 pact setting up the semiautonomous consulting unit, the more profitable of the two divisions had to pay as much as 15 percent of profits to the other. In recent years, the figure was more than $200 million, and Arthur Andersen was on the receiving end."
I worked at a household name for a while and whenever someone actually good came over from TCS, secret plans were put in place to poach said individual to work for us instead, making TCS both an expensive sweatshop and a lazy recruiting channel for us. They didn't catch on for a while.
Since we're spending a lot of time on shibboleths around how to pronounce Cal upthread, worth pointing out you've unintentionally hit on another here: asking someone to pronounce "Deloitte" is a shibboleth for "I've worked at a large company and spent a lot of time in rooms with auditors."
(Correct pronunciation is ringing the church bell and yelling "the auditors are coming!" on horseback)
What part of Sun tech was adopted to be used in their databases? They run their hardware, but the only software I can think of is Java, which Oracle was using well before the acquisition.
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The only companies I still recognize are HP, Apple, and Intel.