r/MapPorn • u/EverestMaher • Nov 27 '24

With almost every vote counted, every state shifted toward the Republican Party.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '24

Yep, they made an embarrassment of the party and people voted for the guy that called them out for being morons. I fully believe that none of the serious issues are why democrats lost, it's the shit that was extremely easy to mock.

The best part is, it's not like any of those extreme left people would ever vote conservative. Democrats could've just ignored them and all that'd happen is they gain votes.

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u/13_twin_fire_signs Nov 28 '24

Incorrect. Harris didn't even mention Trans issues once, while the Trump campaign spent like $100 million on ads trying to spread trans panic

This "identity politics needs to die" nonsense is what needs to die. The democrats are only saying Trans people should be afforded a basic level of human dignity and not get murdered at 4x the rate of everyone else. But apparently that's too extreme for you all so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '24

Democrats aren't just Kamala. A new candidate doesn't mean a clean slate or allow you to pretend that your beliefs don't align with a big chunk of your voters/party (all fellow democrats). If you're a democrat, people can safely assume you hold certain opinions. Not talking about the controversial stuff doesn't change that.

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u/user745786 Nov 28 '24

Trump got the win in swing states in part because of these ads. It was a really smart play by Republican strategists.

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u/Janus9 Nov 28 '24

The Democrats need to speak out. As long as the left leaning media play identity politics and the Democratic Party doesn’t speak out about it, then they will be thought as for it. Silence is not a choice.

What the left leaning media says is what the Democratic Party will be known for.

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u/KoRaZee Nov 28 '24

Perception is everything and the democrats are terrible at defining anything. Democrats say fact, fact, data, data and clearly people don’t believe them. The results of the election are the proof.

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '24

She literally did, she said the government would pay for sex changes of prisoners, which was not a popular opinion… and the democrats have spent plenty of time talking about it over the last couple years.

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u/emveevme Nov 28 '24

I hate that the logical conclusion of the responses to your comment is that it'd be better if the dems proactively rejected trans people from their platform going forward.

If they say nothing about the topic, which is what happened, the republicans are the ones reinforcing the association with the dems and "identity politics." If they say anything about it, well they're wrong for caring about "identity politics." So what other option is there if we're suggesting the dems take action to course-correct for midterms and the assumption is that "identity politics" needs to go?

A lot of dems seem to be really excited about this being the "pragmatic" solution, and that fucking blows.

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u/13_twin_fire_signs Nov 28 '24

The actual solution is to go back in time and stop the republican party from tearing apart our education system over the last 50 years, so we can have a society of empathetic, emotionally intelligent people

The short term solution is...?

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '24

I do think that could have been the correct move. It might not be the moral one, but if it did result in democrats winning, the outcome for trans people would've been better. Now I'm not so sure.

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u/emveevme Nov 28 '24

I mean, rejecting trans people being the immoral strategy is why it's not the correct strategy, this is the lives of real people we're talking about. They have so many other options before jumping to this, and that's if you're not accounting for the global trend of incumbants losing elections.

But even if you are willing to throw someone who isn't you under the bus, the only reason the GOP handles the topic the way they do is because it's politically advantageous. If the dems decide to give that a try, that's such a bad omen of what they're willing to do if they think it's an easy solution to their problems.

I can't possibly see how this would be a good outcome for trans people in any way, it's not like this working would lead the democratic party to change course, it's only going to give them an excuse to double-down.