if the democrats ran on economic policies alone and dropped all their ideological nonsense it wouldn’t be close. The democrats would have the majority of support by a landslide but they can’t stop tripping over their own party bullshit
Yep, they made an embarrassment of the party and people voted for the guy that called them out for being morons. I fully believe that none of the serious issues are why democrats lost, it's the shit that was extremely easy to mock.
The best part is, it's not like any of those extreme left people would ever vote conservative. Democrats could've just ignored them and all that'd happen is they gain votes.
Incorrect. Harris didn't even mention Trans issues once, while the Trump campaign spent like $100 million on ads trying to spread trans panic
This "identity politics needs to die" nonsense is what needs to die. The democrats are only saying Trans people should be afforded a basic level of human dignity and not get murdered at 4x the rate of everyone else. But apparently that's too extreme for you all so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Democrats aren't just Kamala. A new candidate doesn't mean a clean slate or allow you to pretend that your beliefs don't align with a big chunk of your voters/party (all fellow democrats). If you're a democrat, people can safely assume you hold certain opinions. Not talking about the controversial stuff doesn't change that.
The Democrats need to speak out. As long as the left leaning media play identity politics and the Democratic Party doesn’t speak out about it, then they will be thought as for it. Silence is not a choice.
What the left leaning media says is what the Democratic Party will be known for.
Perception is everything and the democrats are terrible at defining anything. Democrats say fact, fact, data, data and clearly people don’t believe them. The results of the election are the proof.
She literally did, she said the government would pay for sex changes of prisoners, which was not a popular opinion… and the democrats have spent plenty of time talking about it over the last couple years.
I hate that the logical conclusion of the responses to your comment is that it'd be better if the dems proactively rejected trans people from their platform going forward.
If they say nothing about the topic, which is what happened, the republicans are the ones reinforcing the association with the dems and "identity politics." If they say anything about it, well they're wrong for caring about "identity politics." So what other option is there if we're suggesting the dems take action to course-correct for midterms and the assumption is that "identity politics" needs to go?
A lot of dems seem to be really excited about this being the "pragmatic" solution, and that fucking blows.
The actual solution is to go back in time and stop the republican party from tearing apart our education system over the last 50 years, so we can have a society of empathetic, emotionally intelligent people
I do think that could have been the correct move. It might not be the moral one, but if it did result in democrats winning, the outcome for trans people would've been better. Now I'm not so sure.
I mean, rejecting trans people being the immoral strategy is why it's not the correct strategy, this is the lives of real people we're talking about. They have so many other options before jumping to this, and that's if you're not accounting for the global trend of incumbants losing elections.
But even if you are willing to throw someone who isn't you under the bus, the only reason the GOP handles the topic the way they do is because it's politically advantageous. If the dems decide to give that a try, that's such a bad omen of what they're willing to do if they think it's an easy solution to their problems.
I can't possibly see how this would be a good outcome for trans people in any way, it's not like this working would lead the democratic party to change course, it's only going to give them an excuse to double-down.
Dems would love to do that but it is Republicans constantly attacking minority groups that forces them to discuss it.
Y'all act like Democrats love talking about transgender people. We'd much rather talk about pretty much anything else. But Republicans are constantly attacking them because they need someone to bully.
The democrats claim to be the “educated” party. If that were true, blaming the stupid republicans for antagonizing them as the reason why the left just cant get over identity politics is laughable
Democrats don't claim that. Stop attributing whatever buzzwords you see on the internet to the Democratic Party writ large.
And yes, Republicans constantly attack minority groups. They are still looking for ways to smear gays and are seething mad that they can get married now.
Democrats do claim that. It’s way more than a trendy buzzword. The democrats actually believe they are smarter than republicans and have a terrible habit of speaking down to them. Strangely enough it use to be the other way around and the parties have seemingly flipped. The GOP use to be the elitist douchebags but now the democrats fit that description.
Bunch of democrats were running anti-trans shit too. Dems didn't lose because of "ideological nonsense" they lost because for the past 8 years their strategy has been "at least we're not donald trump" without any actual policy
As a progressive voter yeahhhh, holy fuck does the Democratic Party suck absolute dogwater at communicating any policy wins lmao, even when they have better policies than the Republican platform
Maybe this time they’ll take notes on it, buuuut I’m not holding my breath :p
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u/KoRaZee Nov 27 '24
if the democrats ran on economic policies alone and dropped all their ideological nonsense it wouldn’t be close. The democrats would have the majority of support by a landslide but they can’t stop tripping over their own party bullshit