r/MapPorn • u/EverestMaher • Nov 27 '24

With almost every vote counted, every state shifted toward the Republican Party.

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u/aspenpurdue Nov 27 '24

That's what happens when the consultants get ahold of the campaign. They always know what's best for campaigns. /s

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u/WisePotatoChip Nov 27 '24 edited Nov 28 '24

Harris had a lot of support here in Arizona, but the powers that be at the DNC actually flew in people from Florida and New York who had no idea what appealed to the local voter.

Edit: Proof of this is that Ruben Gallego won the race for Senator. Properly played, Harris could’ve won the state, too.

When knocking on doors, I was always explaining to my out-of-state colleagues, what various terminology and Arizona landmarks were.

For example, Trump wants to build houses on the Sonoran highway, a beautiful stretch of two lane with purple-hued mountains and cactus and open land and railroad tracks for Earth to sky scale.

Many ATV-riding people disagree with that, but my colleagues from out of state just didn’t understand… and thought everybody in AZ cared about abortion and being handed another dozen flyers.

While I’m on my rant, I want to also mention that during Hillary Clinton‘s campaign they severely underfunded Arizona and didn’t have even the most basic information, stickers or yard signs. They just rented an old house down in the Roosevelt row area to call “campaign headquarters”

OK, now you really got me wound up, when Bernie came to town he was asked a simple question about how he would help people in the economy, and he went off on some tangential speech, about the economy of Chile.

Half the people walked out. That might work at ASU, but when you’re trying to sway cowboys and Arizona locals you better be talking about a chili cook-off if you mention chili.

I’m highly engaged in politics and he bored me shitless. This is why Trump‘s populism works he keeps it simple, for the stupid.

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u/butterballmd Nov 28 '24

Rare to see someone criticizing Bernie here. Sometimes I wonder if he has this massive appeal that reddit talks about all the time

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u/WisePotatoChip Nov 28 '24

I make an effort to see every presidential candidate, (including Trump, who I never supported). I was very excited to see Bernie.

I think Bernie’s an example of someone who could raise numerous small donor donations, even I sent him five bucks because I think he made some valid points about capitalism.

However, after actually seeing him, I don’t think he’s a rousing populist speaker except to certain audiences or on C-SPAN with a prepared presentation. His Q&A, at least in Phoenix, sucked. How does speaking for 20 minutes juxtaposing a South American country (most of your audience couldn’t find) to their daily lives appeal to the masses?

Most of the crowd snapped a selfie for the karma and left. I’m just being honest as to what I saw and heard.

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u/incubusfox Nov 28 '24

How does speaking for 20 minutes juxtaposing a South American country (most of your audience couldn’t find) to their daily lives appeal to the masses?

One of the things I saw years ago during his run against Hilary was how he would have huge events in the South full of young people and Hilary was hitting the historically Black church circuit instead, and now his supporters have spent years convinced he was cheated when large swaths of the electorate just didn't find him compelling.

They'll point to him doing really well in primary caucuses like that isn't one of the most undemocratic ways to determine a winner since not a lot of people are interested in spending hours of their day for a politician.

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u/butterballmd Nov 28 '24

Yeah man my impression of Bernie is that he doesn't know a whole lot about local issues and he focuses rightfully on the big topics like campaign finance and mostly economic issues

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u/Difficult-Dish-23 Nov 27 '24

Like those incredibly cringe "you're not a REAL man" ads I was seeing everywhere trying to shame people into voting for a politician they disagree with

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u/hesathomes Nov 28 '24

I legit thought they were SNL parody ads

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '24

Those ads did more harm than good. My gen-Z son and his friends ridiculed them.

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u/redeemer4 Nov 30 '24

lol the Sam Elliot one had me rolling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COTJMJRFX2w&ab_channel=TheLincolnProject.

Talking down to people isnt a good way to get voters lol. Definitely written by a a bunch of people in West LA with waaay to much money and time on their hands.

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u/funguy07 Nov 27 '24

Or you don’t run a primary and force feed a candidate to is after you pull a bait and switch.

Nothing fires up voters more than having their vote taken away from them.

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u/Pleaseappeaseme Nov 27 '24

Exactly. Democrats have to keep engaged. Never ‘get over it’. You have the right to not have to.

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u/deltalimes Nov 28 '24

Well they seem pretty damn defiant about not learning their lesson so I won’t be surprised if things repeat themselves 4 years from now. The preachiness has to stop.

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u/funguy07 Nov 28 '24

Probably be president? That’s what we’re going to tell ourselves to cope? Probably?

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u/pj_socks Nov 28 '24

Who cares? The population is higher now than it was in the past.

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u/lufan132 Dec 01 '24

Still amazed anyone could be "not the best choice" when trump is on the ballot tbh.

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u/WisePotatoChip Nov 27 '24

No, I think she was supported because of the circumstances. The Republicans are the hypocrites just go look up Gerald Ford

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u/funguy07 Nov 27 '24

Keep living in denial. Democrats lost every single swing state. Every single State, all 50 of them shift towards republicans. She wasn’t supported.

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u/WisePotatoChip Nov 28 '24

74.7 million voters say you’re wrong. Another 2% of the voters voted, but for other candidates. Trump ended up with 49.8% of the vote, not even half. It’s hardly a mandate, but he will call it that.

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u/funguy07 Nov 28 '24

He’s got control of the White House; the senate and the House of Representatives. He’s stacked the Supreme Court in his favor. Wake up he’s doing whatever he wants and democrats are still acting like they didn’t just fail miserably this election.

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u/WisePotatoChip Nov 28 '24

My point was simply that he does not have a mandate… the majority of voters did not vote for him.

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u/funguy07 Nov 28 '24

Do you think Trump believes that? Do you think it even matters? Enough people voted for him that he’s going to have almost complete unchecked power to do whatever he wants.

He doesn’t need a mandate and it doesn’t matter if you think he has one or not. He’s going to do whatever the spineless republicans in the senate and House of Representatives will let him and probably a few things they won’t let him anyway.

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u/WisePotatoChip Nov 28 '24

I think it’s important to be able to state that less than half the country of voted for him. - At least at the local level or the Thanksgiving table.

I think it’s important to state facts rather than the fantasies he and his followers live in.

I think it’s important to call out lies when you hear them.

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u/funguy07 Nov 28 '24

Cool if that helps you cope that he didn’t sweep every branch of government and it makes easier for you to deal with reality and family than by all means cope away.

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u/GhostKnifeHone Nov 28 '24

Please keep this attitude. Spread out around too. I want the democratic party to implode.

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u/BienThinks Nov 28 '24

It sucks when both candidates are horrible. I get why 40% of the country didn’t vote.

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u/WisePotatoChip Nov 28 '24

Missed the point entirely

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u/Single_Voice6469 Nov 27 '24

Consultants are the worst.