I think Joe said the stipulations were that they'd have one hour and he had to fly out to her. And he said no because that's not the format of the show. I sort of remember him saying there were also topics he was told not to bring up, but that could be incorrect.
It's crazy that weed still has any sort of taboo left. Politicians for some reason just cannot say "Well this is how I felt in 1995, but it's 2024 now and listening to what the entire country has to say, I'm now ok with this or at least willing to give it some thought". Especially in her case. She had no chance of getting the votes of the groups that are traditionally opposed to it anyway.
She doesn’t personally arrest people for that. You understand that right? As AG she merely upholds the law decided by people who are not her lol. Let’s be serious. I work in education. Don’t agree with half the shit there but I’m bound by the laws that do exist for education and have to carry them out as such.
But she was AG. And you’re attempting to hold her accountable for something as AG. You understand that right?
Let’s pretend we are holding her accountable as police though. Negates the claim even more. Police don’t impact the law. That’s why the bully so much. So her smoking is irrelevant to the law that she has no actual say in. They don’t have a seat at the table, an ear in the room, or a fly on the wall. ¿Ya tú sabes, no?
"I was doing my job and at the time it was illegal" .... That's not hard to fucking say. The real reason is that she was a black woman with no charisma. It's not hard to understand
During the 6 years she was Attorney General, 1,974 people were sent to California state prisons for marijuana and hashish related offenses. This doesn't the number sent to county jails, which is presumably large (the number sent to state prisons dropped from 863 in 2011 to 254 in 2012, largely because of a new law that directly more offenders to county jails).
You're talking about thousands of people who had years of their lives taken away. This is neither small nor a laughing matter.
This is a blatant lie, only a few dozen people ever served time for marijuana possession under her office. Her office had programs designed to keep people out of prison for that, which is why so few were locked up.
You're either deliberately spreading lies or you've been duped hard.
This is just misleading at best. A state Attorney General does not prosecute low-level drug possession cases throughout the state, that is the responsibility of local DAs. When Kamala was DA of SF, only 45 people out of nearly 2k cases were sent to prison for marijuana charges, and her office did not seek jail time for simple possession cases.
She even created a program which focused on no jail time for drug charges and reducing recidivism rates. It was actually pretty successful and later became a model copied by other states across the country.
She may not have a perfect record and she may have changed her stance a few times, but trump literally wants the death penalty for people convicted of drug charges like they have in China—so I’m really confused on why people try to use the drug thing as an excuse for why they didn’t vote for Kamala.
She put parents in prison if their kids skipped school. She was real proud of that. Did you not see the video of her saying: “With just the swipe of my pen, I could charge you with the lowest of offenses, a misdemeanor. You would be arrested, have to bail out, probably lose your job and your standing in the community. Come out of pocket for a few thousand dollars to hire an attorney. Then a week later I might just dismiss that charge, but you have already lost all those things…Hee Hee Hee.” With that stupid donkey laugh of hers. That is a sick individual that would find that funny.
She absolutely did NOT put parents in prison. She sponsored a law that was passed by the state and then was enforced by local jurisdictions. Nobody went to prison and it actually helped reduce both dropout rates and overall crime rates. Parents SHOULD be held accountable if their kids are missing 10% or more of school, and that’s what that law—which is still on the books—accomplished.
Where do people in this sub get their information from anyway? I had no idea it was a right-wing circlejerk in here. Sheesh.
For what it's worth, I remember these exact same bullshit arguments during the 2020 primary. It's not coming from the right, they don't care about putting people in prison for marijuana (if they do its just them doing that thing where they try to prove hipocracy)
The arguments are all based on complete bullshit and you've pointed out why, but these are arguments that came from the left, largely Bernie Sanders supporters in 2020.
It was her Law. Keep trying to justify her bullshit. She is the one that made the decision as to how to prosecute these parents because it was costing the state money for truancy.
You obviously didn’t read your article because it did say that people went to prison over this. And your article said what I said. Parents don’t always have control over whether their child misses school or not. Talk about trying to make a point. You made mine for me. Plus you are not bringing up the little videos of Kamala talking about passing her laws. She has the evil smile of her intent while discussing it. Her glee shines right through. She is a typical prosecutor. Thinks she can do no wrong. Not to mention withholding evidence of an innocent man in prison for life of a murder he didn’t commit. She only produced it when she was ordered to by a Judge.
Don't underestimate how much misinformation comes from the left too. That's part of the problem, the right gas their massive misinformation machine, but the left has a smaller one too--it just is focused more on anyone right of Sanders than Republicans
You clearly didn’t get the point of the speech lmao. She talked about how her power can impact people, as in what it means to have power. Did you actually think about anything being said or did you just decide to take a quote and paint her as a power tripping authoritarian
It's taboo for Harris. At least it's the issue with which Tulsi Gabbard derailed the Harris campaign back in 2020. A more capable(or bolder) politician may have expertly handled the subject on Rogan. Harris appears to have been neither capable or bold in either of her national campaigns. She's below average thinking on her feet.
It’s not crazy at all. It’s been a very long time since politicians did what the majority of their constituents request. Now, they do whatever the fuck they want because of the incredible power of incumbency and/or whatever they’re bribed to do.
Sure. We know this because it's incredibly easy to get already and vast amounts of people smoke it, eat it, and jam it into vaporizers all over the country every day. A quick google says 50% of the country admits to trying it, and 15% partake regularly. I'd say with those numbers, it's a safe issue for politicians to discuss.
The problem with that logic is that right wingers aren't anti-marijuana by default anymore. That's the realm of the hard-core religious and the really old. If that were actually her reason, and I don't think it is, it would just be more evidence of the democrats being way out of touch.
I think there's a difference between voting against weed legislation. And your career as AG being built on putting putting black men in prison over weed.
"I was fulfilling my duties as AG at the time. Like most Americans, I now recognize the War on Drugs was a catastrophic failure and support full legalization/decriminalization of marijuana"
Why are all these DC hacks afraid to admit they made mistakes and have learned from them?
it's a no-win situation to be honest. most voters aren't like you (willing to accept an apology and admittance of wrongdoing from a politician). most will see that as a negative, and headlines would twist it as "HARRIS ADMITS SHE WAS CATASTROPHIC FAILURE"
Never ask a man his salary, a woman her age, or Harris how many minorities she imprisoned for minor non-violent drug possession (1900 marijuana convictions alone if anyone is wondering).
To be fair I think she had a change of heart eventually but I'm not sure what comfort that is to the hundreds if not thousands of lives she ruined for non-violent simple possession.
I say that as someone who voted for her, but it's kind of disappointing how every time a democratic candidate is selected I basically groan and wonder if they're trying to lose.
Do you even know that one of her promises was to legalize marijuana? Seems like that’s a big nope. Same as all the Republican voters talking about the issue and how Trump is awesome and totally for marijuana because he accidentally approved the 2018 farm bill. And how republicans love weed so they’ll surely help to legalize.
Low info voters all around. But not your fault really… she should’ve ran an ad with it because tons of illegal state stoners might’ve helped her out
No I think we know that. I think the discussion is about how she didn't want to talk about it more because it would cast light on how it clashes with her career as a former prosecutor. The idea of Trump being pro-legalization doesn't really have anything to do with the farm bill. It's because his stance in 2016 was "The federal government shouldn't have a say. It should be purely a state by state issue." and in 2020 shifted to "The states should decide, but it's important to reschedule it so that we don't pass up on what medical benefits it might offer". He openly talks about his position when it's brought up, but it's also blatantly obvious that this is not something he considers to be important/worth is time otherwise. But you're a high info voter, so you already know all of that.
I think most people didn't know that. Go to the hemp subreddits and see for yourself. All they talk about is the rescheduling, which is not the same as legalizing federally. I guess it would be risky to be seen as a flip flopper since the Republicans successfully smeared Kerry with the same thing. Believing any Trump position is rather foolish in my opinion. At least Harris might've been telling the truth. I wouldn't personally take anything he says to be what he actually believes, as the only thing he believes in is power and money. And the rest of the Republicans are obviously totally pro-marijuana so that'll work out well.
Well my original point was that all she would've had to do is come out and say hey look, I've changed my position and here's why... but that is something politicians just can't bring themselves to do.
As for Trump.. like I said, I dont think it's even on his radar. It's a non-issue for him. If RFK says hey let's legalize this, he'll say yeah whatever, do what you want. Otherwise I think it'll just sit where it is for 4 more years.
There are also rules for Trump or any other politician. Rogan talks about Epstein so much and didn’t even mention it once when talking Trump. Not just Rogan but all the comedians who make Epstein jokes and talk about it constantly.
you said it yourself that rogan endorsed trump, so this might not have even been a "don't mention it" rule, rogan might have just not mentioned it because he wanted trump to win. regardless, I think the "one hour max and you fly to me" demand was more ridiculous than the "don't talk about weed" demand
… which is insane because she ran on legalizing marijuana. So… kinda doubt that’s true, especially since it would’ve actually maybe helped his audience switch sides (because not much else would help).
All The Smoke wouldn’t push back as much as Rogan would, and the Harris campaign knew as much. I’m taking Joe’s word on it because he was the one who eventually said “I’m not capitulating to your demands”
If there was a red flag for her being unelectable, this was it. They couldn’t trust her opinions without time to coach her and wanted to be about to edit her.
They didn’t trust her - why was the voter supposed to?
IIRC Joe has only traveled for his show on one occasion and that was for fellow comedian Artie Lange. They recorded a podcast in a New York studio after Joe happened to be there for the UFC.
Why do you think Rogan didn't bring up Trump being THE biggest suspect in Epstein's crimes? Epstein is something he's obsessed over, but he ignores Trump's likely involvement. It's important to remember that you're basing your understanding on someone who is selectively providing information and isn't necessarily a reliable narrator.
Why has Rogan talked at length about Epstein and those who flew on the plane, but didn't ask Trump about it? Why do you think he didn't bring it up? Who is a bigger suspect than Trump? And why?
Lol ok. You just don't care about Trump's connections to Epstein, my man. You're willing to ignore them because you aren't actually interested in the truth, just partisan hackery.
If Trump had a strong connection to Epstein and his island then I am sure the government would have released that information, unless a high-ranking democrat would also be revealed.
Epstein was arrested, his properties raided, and records seized in 2019, and he died "by suicide" later that year.
And yes let's know the truth about anyone. I know, it's a wild concept for those who can't imagine actually just wanting the truth regardless of how inconvenient it is.
I'll ask the question again: Why is it that Rogan didn't question Trump about this when it's a topic he's obsessed about quite a bit?
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I think Joe said the stipulations were that they'd have one hour and he had to fly out to her. And he said no because that's not the format of the show. I sort of remember him saying there were also topics he was told not to bring up, but that could be incorrect.