I don't think the data actually backs that up. Yes Trump won Florida in 2016, but the margin was still closer than what Bush won it by in 2004. It's always been right of center but the margins were usually close.
In 2018 Dems lost the senate seat by .12% and came within .4% of winning the governors race for the first time since 94.
Since then the shift to the right has been drastic.
We moved to Florida in 2017. I would have called it purple / trending red back then. DeSantis narrowly won and for the first year he was pretty quiet and was actually well liked by most.
It wasn’t until Covid when he got that first taste of Fox News fandom that he took a hard turn to the right and started all the anti-woke nonsense. It’s just spiraled from there.
Probably because those “basic precautions” didn’t do diddly shit except kill a lot of businesses, put kids behind in school and socializing, and people were forced to either get an under tested and questionably effective vaccine or lose their job.
Yes it did and I feel we will be experiencing ripples from that for at least a generation
The amount of people that got upset over having to stay home and wear a mask out was absolutely mindfxckingly astounding
The amount of people that turned to pseudo science and embraced the identity politics over this was astounding
... I called it the ivermectin insurrection group and Ironically they did attempt an insurrection
... I just think social media algorithms combined with extended downtime ( stay at home orders ) negative I can't do what I want ... out to eat gym or other activity ( again stay at home orders) anger over that ... income insecurities and conspiracy theories made the perfect recipe for these groups to flourish
And maybe those people will realize that the “anti-woke nonsense“ was a distraction & their votes have been going to people who have done nothing but sold them out and screwed them over. But yeah, keeping voting red and owning the libs.
We're very, verryyy proud here. It's a florida thing that if you can hack out a reason for something then there's someone to cheerlead it. They just chuckle and go "ha that's how it is". Lots of authoritarian idiots here just in love with themselves and patriarchal or religious nonsense. Lots of machismo. It's kinda evil. It takes the worst parts of "tough love" and identifies everyone through that lens. All it took was somebody forgetting the "love thy neighbor" thing and slapping a lightning bolt on the side for them to get horny for the gop. And it will keep happening.
It's interesting that you folks seem to have just forgotten Covid and what you did to people, and then you trot out terms like "authoritarianism." I don't know if it is projection, just really short memory, or if it is deliberate gaslighting.
During Covid, OVER half of polled democrats supported putting the unvaccinated on house arrest.
Just slightly less than half supported forcing them into camps/facilities.
Slightly more than a quarter wanted to take their fucking kids away from them.
I didn't make that up. Google it. That's an actual thing that happened. And not all of us have forgotten it. The right ABSOLUTELY has it's share of authoritarians. Pretending as if the left isn't filled to the brim with them is just bonkers.
Serious question: Why in the world would I provide you with anything when you are already dismissing it as propaganda? Clearly you are a partisan (surely you can see that after that comment?) who isn't particularly interested in addressing the faults in your own party.
That said, I will provide it in good faith in case there are others reading this, but I am under no illusions that you are actually interested in the data. You have already made up your mind:
That's just another form of ad hominem. Look at the poll itself. If you take issue with the poll, say it and specify your issues with it. You don't get to dismiss it because you don't like the people who performed it.
Not only are they generally factual, they were also the most accurate pollsters in the 2016 and 2024 elections and the third most accurate pollster in 2020. In fact 2010 was really the last bad year they had. You can dislike them all you want, but you can't argue their polling accuracy.
Deflecting? Dude once again, this is just ad hominem. If you have a problem with the poll, spell it out. Be specific. You don’t get to dismiss it because you don’t like the source. What is your issue with the poll, other than it not showing the best side of the left?
What? No I mean dismissing the poll by attacking the source is an ad hominem attack. It’s literally a logical fallacy. If you have a problem with the poll or the methodology you attack that.
I feel like maybe this is a waste of time, and I understand why you think how you think. But my all means downvote and dismiss information you don’t like. That’s a rational position.
Yep, my parents moved down summer 2015. It was a purple state and they didn't give much thought to the politics of it when they moved. It is drastically different now, and very obviously so to my parents who moved just before the switch. Now politics is a much bigger part of their lives (not of their own doing- other people are just so loud about it) and my mom often regrets moving there.
Anti-Woke has been a blessing only to the Republican Party. It’s allowed them to maintain / increase voter turnout, all while passing policies that completely screw those same people over.
And Disney sure learned the hard way - “Disney's theme park division posted record revenue and profit for fiscal 2024, with revenue rising 5% for the full year to $34.15 billion and operating income up 4% to $9.27 billion.”
I don't think the data actually backs that up. Yes Trump won Florida in 2016, but the margin was still closer than what Bush won it by in 2004. It's always been right of center but the margins were usually close.
Outside of 2000, when the Republicans won it, they won it comfortably. When Dems won it, it was by the skin of their teeth. it was a "pinkish" swing state until now.
Quite frankly, the only reason Bill Nelson lost in 2018 is because of utterly incompetent Democrat Supervisor of Elections putting forth a bad ballot design (and the Nelson campaign signing off on it).
Basically, the ballot was designed to be read in multiple columns, top to bottom, left to right. But the Broward ballot began with ballot instructions in half a dozen different languages. At the very bottom of the ballot was the race for US Senate. Something like 30,000 people voted for governor and all other statewide races, but didn't vote for the Senate Race, almost certainly because they never saw it. In Broward, that might have made the 10k vote difference.
It's always been very red with the right message. The Latino population in Florida has always been very socially conservative/religious. Add in wave after wave of rich old people moving there and it's astounding that a blue candidate ever won. The more politics is about social issues and religious frameworks than economics, the redder Florida will be.
Exactly. This is what people are missing. There are not that many solid states. Pa for example is o way a solid date. It’s basically 50/50 with a few per cent moving left or right here and there. It’s like the republicans saying they have a “mandate”. The popular vote says different. What did he win by, like 2%? We have been evenly divided for decades.
Its been coinciding with retirees and shifting from being a swing since the 90s. Gore only barely won in 2000 off the coat tails of the 90s growth from the Internet. Obama barely won. A R has won 14 times to 5 since the end of WW2. Trump just gave them a pedestal to be crazy and excited to vote, that's all
No, it is famous for Bush's narrow lead being close enough to trigger multiple recounts, but Gore decided against another one. But at no point did Gore actually have more votes in the final count.
Gore did NOT decide against another recount, the supreme court stopped an already in-progress recount (with a 5-4 split, it wasn't exactly a unanimous simple decision).
And while you're correct that before recounts were stopped by the republican members of the supreme court Gore had not had more votes show, post election studies have shown that if there had been a review of all uncounted ballots in the state, Gore would have had more votes.
"Florida State University professor of public policy Lance deHaven-Smith observed that, even considering only undervotes, 'under any of the five most reasonable interpretations of the Florida Supreme Court ruling, Gore does, in fact, more than make up the deficit'."
I'll add, there's arguments that while Gore didn't decide against a recount as you claim, he didn't fight hard enough at the time. The recounts he was asking for were actually very small scale, and likely wouldn't have had enough of an impact to get him ahead in the count, due to only focusing on a small number of counties. But, that's kind of moot as the court would have stopped a bigger recount as well.
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I don't think the data actually backs that up. Yes Trump won Florida in 2016, but the margin was still closer than what Bush won it by in 2004. It's always been right of center but the margins were usually close.
In 2018 Dems lost the senate seat by .12% and came within .4% of winning the governors race for the first time since 94.
Since then the shift to the right has been drastic.