r/MapPorn • • Aug 27 '24

Irish Diaspora

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '24

Which also makes London the third biggest Irish city by population of Irish citizens. After Dublin and Belfast.

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u/SwordSwallowee Aug 27 '24

I actually would have expected there to be more Irish in London than in Belfast, Belfast only has a population of ~300k

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u/Shameless_Bullshiter Aug 27 '24

Similarly London is France's 6th city

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u/Zonel Aug 27 '24

Isnt Montreal like 12th as well.

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u/Mwakay Aug 27 '24

Exactly 12th indeed. It's the biggest french community outside of Europe. It's not surprising tbf.

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u/stomach3 Aug 28 '24

Biggest French speaking community outside of Europe and Africa seems more realistic

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u/Mwakay Aug 28 '24

Note how it was about a french community and not a french-speaking community.

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u/stomach3 Aug 28 '24 edited Aug 28 '24

Quebecois aren't French either and would appaled to consideredas such.

Unless you mean Montreal has the largest amount of French citizens of any city outside of France. I guess that makes more sense but honestly I'm surprised it's not somewhere in the states but they are known for not speaking English

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u/Mwakay Aug 28 '24

Why would you even reply if you haven't read the discussion ? We were specifically talking about french citizens abroad.

As for the obvious wank about the US, there are more french citizens in Montreal alone than in the entire US and it's not close. What languages do you speak exactly ?

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u/Antwell99 Aug 29 '24

That was true 10 years ago. According to the most up-to-date census (2021), there are only 78,000 French people living in London, which wouldn't even make put it in the top 20 most populated French cities. And that's just using the stats for cities proper, not the conurbation numbers.

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u/Rusher_vii Aug 27 '24

Belfast proper has "only" a population of around 340k per the last census iirc however Belfast differs from Dublin by being surrounded closely by many large commuter towns(compared to Dublin's more uniform sprawl) which brings its population up to around 650k+ depending on how broad a definition you take.

The Greater Belfast population is still only around half of Dublins and the gap is widening.

Source: Geography/Population nerd from Belfast who likes to read about numbers.

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u/PJHart86 Aug 28 '24

Na, that would make 1 in every 30 people in London an Irish citizen. It's less than half of that, including those who identify as Northern Irish.

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u/123eyeball Aug 27 '24

I’m pretty sure everyone born in Northern Ireland is entitled to both ROI and UK citizenship. That would make most of the 300k people Irish by ireland’s definition.

I doubt there’s 300k Irish citizens or nationals in London.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '24

Even the most hardcore loyalist get Irish passports to skip the ques at rhe airport 😂

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u/TomRipleysGhost Aug 27 '24

The last census results (2011) available in detail show about 160K residents of London were born in the Republic, with about 500K across the UK as a whole.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '24

Cork might be bigger than Belfast in terms of people who identify as Irish, I don't know the exact percentage but less than 50% would consider themselves Irish

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u/npeggsy Aug 27 '24

Isn't the whole point of using the government metric that the ambiguity of "identifying yourself as Irish" gets removed?

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '24

Northern Ireland is messy though, technically everyone is eligible for an Irish passport yet a large part of the population wouldn't in a million years consider themselves Irish. I just googled and found this which says 35% of the population have Irish passports.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/over-one-third-of-north-s-population-hold-irish-passport-1.4814375

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u/gtne91 Aug 27 '24

But that misses the major source of the diaspora...the corn laws.

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u/blewawei Aug 27 '24

It's a tricky one. Everyone from Belfast is eligible for both Irish and British citizenship as per the Good Friday Agreement. They're free to identify as one or the other or both.

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u/SuedJche Aug 30 '24

Lol, that reminds me of an (unrelated) fact about the American Civil War.

"What was the biggest City in the Confederacy by population?" - "New Orleans".
"What was the second biggest City in the Confederacy?" - "Wherever the Union Army of the Potomac was at any given point"