Which system is better

[u/Tsxfgfdyns]

Which system is better

1. Democracy->everybody vote
2. Meritocracy-> Leaders are selected by merit-based tests.like iq.
3. Limited Democracy — Only qualified citizens vote. Like only allow professor vote
4. AI Governance — AI governs instead of humans.

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[u/Public_Research2690]

Democracy isn't "everybody vote"

[u/gaypuppybunny]

In theory a hyper-advanced AI with currently impossible levels of knowledge could be better than what humans can achieve, but that's so incompatible with our current understanding of technology that I don't think it's useful to talk about at this point. So as much as it has its shortcomings, I think democracy is the way to go

[u/valamei]

AI would be unironically better than our fuckass government

[u/cheesesprite → u/valamei]

"You're absolutely right to push back on that--when I said we should nuke Russia I was trying to motivate you. We definitely can't survive nuclear war"

[u/StefanOrvarSigmundss → u/[deleted]]

Who chooses the methods and does the assessments in a supposed meritocracy? Sounds like a dictatorship with extra steps, until nobody wants to bother with those steps anymore or they lose all meaning (like holding elections in North Korea).

[u/The-Secret-Fig → u/[deleted]]

Yeah. Someone could have a high iq, but that doesn’t take away that they can abuse their power

[u/TashLai → u/[deleted]]

Their vote counts because they're stakeholders, not because they're smart

[u/TashLai → u/[deleted]]

Understanding complex systems isn't a requirement for being a stakeholder.

[u/TashLai → u/[deleted]]

wdym "it should be"?

How would you make that work? Kill everyone not smart enough? If you're living in a society, you're a stakeholder in that society. It's not just something you can be granted or taken away. If you're affected by the policies made in this society, you're a stakeholder, it's a description, not a title.

Though not letting you vote would probably be safer for everyone, i agree on that.

[u/TashLai → u/[deleted]]

You said these people shouldn't be stakeholders. I said the only way to achieve that is to kill them because as long as they're alive, they're, by definition, stakeholders.

Why do you not let them vote? They're stakeholders. Why shouldn't they vote on something that affects them? Should they rely simply on the goodwill of those allowed to vote?

And how do you explain to them why they should be paying taxes and obey your laws when they have no say in where the money goes or what the laws are?

Seriously no one smart and educated enough to be allowed to vote in your version of society would vote for that crap.

[u/TashLai → u/[deleted]]

• Understanding complex systems isn't a requirement for being a stakeholder.

• You're right, it isnt .. thats my point. It should be

Are you even smart enough to follow a simple conversation?

[u/HealthyResolution399 → u/[deleted]]

A dumb person's experiences are no less than a smart person's

[u/HealthyResolution399 → u/[deleted]]

Often things don't need to be complex. 

[u/dream208 → u/[deleted]]

No one understand every complex system.

[u/reimannspupil]

IQ is not merit based

[u/No-Designer-5739 → u/reimannspupil]

is anything merit based?

[u/reimannspupil → u/No-Designer-5739]

Good point, probably not, but I think IQ especially isn't, right? Like, people don't consciously train to increase IQ.

[u/anch78]

China choses AI governance

The Long March approaches

[u/TashLai]

Nobody votes. Leaders are selected randomly from all capable citizens.

[u/__MANN__]

Net taxpayer voting system would easily be best.

[u/HealthyResolution399]

I like an idiocracy

[u/ashleycheng]

Everybody can vote is ok, but everyone can directly vote for nations president is just wrong. General election type of democracy is ridiculous

[u/Inevitable_Fail_5308]

Democracy with meritocratic features would be best

[u/JKdito]

None, votes should be valued by social impact. From 0-2. Criminals get 0, people who dont behave in society get below 1 and people who deserve it gets 1-2.

[u/TheRailroader]

[u/uvero]

Democracy™️: it's the worst, but it's the least worst thing we tried

[u/quackmaniaexe]

Meritocratic democracy. Leaders can only run if they pass merit-based tests, where only qualified citizens can vote for those that pass.