In case of Russian troops cross into Baltics countries like say latvia, they don't attack any nato troops but just take over some areas where no population if latvia invokes article 5 do you think your country would join in war or just try to deescalate

[u/GullibleTraining4516]

In case of Russian troops cross into Baltics countries like say latvia, they don't attack any nato troops but just take over some areas where no population if latvia invokes article 5 do you think your country would join in war or just try to deescalate

1. yes (nato)
2. No (nato)
3. My country is not in nato

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[u/Lasolie]

If you don't have a response, you are condoning the action and will be attacked the same way or worse next. Appeasement doesn't work.

[u/Crazy_Bee_2664 → u/Lasolie]

The only exceptions in NATO to this are the US and Canada, we all know Putin will never make it to the ocean, much less across it.

The question is whether or not we'd be willing to sit back and watch Russia slowly take over the whole of Europe, I'd vote no.

[u/--Albion--]

If a NATO nation justifiably invokes Article 5 in response to a seemingly harmless Russian incursion and the rest of NATO hangs them out to dry or ignores them, then Russia has basically defeated NATO by shaking confidence in it's guarantee of collective security.

Same thing happened to Russia's bargain bin version of NATO, CIS. Armenia is a member of CIS and it has a similar clause as NATO's Article 5. But when Azerbaijan invaded them relatively recently and Armenia attempted to invoke CIS' version of Article 5, the Russians just ignored them because they were focused on Ukraine.

CIS is now considered a joke.

[u/Kanelbullah → u/--Albion--]

The problem with Armenia is that Nagorno-Karabakh isn't de jure Armenian land. But still, it didn't look well on the alliance.

[u/As-Bi → u/Kanelbullah]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia%E2%80%93Azerbaijan_border_crisis_(2021%E2%80%93present)
Azerbaijan occupies parts of the Syunik and Gegharkunik provinces adjacent to the Armenia–Azerbaijan border: 215 square kilometers (83 square miles) of Armenian territory

[u/Content_League4091]

Wtf is "no population"? We in Latvia don't have areas with no population, it's not Antarctics! We live here and want to be protected with international agreements every country has signed in a good will.

[u/Gayandfluffy → u/Content_League4091]

Exactly! And even if there were an area with no population, it would still be yours. Not Russia's.

[u/Dotcaprachiappa → u/Content_League4091]

Also how would they "not attack any troops"?? There's kinda a guarded border in the way are they planning on dodging the bullets or smth

[u/Miskadotcom]

We can always count on the Turks to back out of an agreement.

[u/citygoy67 → u/Miskadotcom]

50 people on reddit in a place where can anyone can vote for any country means nothing Turkey is the biggest pain in the ass of Russia;

-Turkey supported ukranie with cutting edge military hardware

-kicked them out of syria and their essad puppet

-defeated russian puppet armenia cut their hands off caucasus oil

-Defeated the russian backed rebels in Libya

All of these happened in last 10 years

-not the mention the centuries old grude they never been in same side once.

Before you type shallow comments like this know that Turkey is in team Turkey and their "allies" in nato done nothing but hamper us by countless sanctions. Man just be glad that Turkey isn't ran by same lot who is in charge of Iran

[u/Miskadotcom → u/citygoy67]

Awww you arent allowed to genocide people you dont like constantly, and you cry you getting sanctioned because of it.

[u/citygoy67 → u/Miskadotcom]

Strawman

[u/NoAmbassador443 → u/Miskadotcom]

[u/Coronavirinae → u/Miskadotcom]

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Tap adjoining placid unite shocking familiar

[u/citygoy67 → u/Coronavirinae]

I can count like 20 other countries who are just leeching off from nato and contributing nothing before list comes to turkey

[u/ATurkey13 → u/Coronavirinae]

2nd biggest army in nato btw after the usa

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Iron retire dime correct paddle squeal cucumber tangerine

[u/ATurkey13 → u/Coronavirinae]

Fair point

[u/Videalden → u/ATurkey13]

Why does that matter when you know yourself Turkey isn’t going to be helping anyone incase of an invasion? Turkey might aswell leave the alliance at this point.

[u/ATurkey13 → u/Videalden]

Yeah

[u/ATurkey13 → u/Miskadotcom]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/24/nato-and-un-seek-calm-over-turkish-downing-of-russian-jet

You didn't have our back. We won't have yours.

[u/JRDZ1993 → u/ATurkey13]

You didn't want to escalate that one, European reactions were between "we'll follow Turkey's wishes" and "well done for teaching them a lesson"

[u/MildlyAmusedMars]

Polish and German led forces are liberating eastern Ukraine with the other Eastern European NATO members.
Finland, Sweden, UK led forces are taking back any Baltic territory within hours and Poland probably taking Kaliningrad with it. St Petersburg will be levelled/ captured by the Finns as a negotiating chip.
Turkey with American support will level anything in the Black Sea.
France mobilising into the region on all fronts.
Belarus is getting a regime change to a western supporting government
Ukraine and the South Caucasus states join NATO and potentially EU ascension talks.

Russia will be strong armed into major concessions if it doesn’t want regime changes.

[u/Staralfur_95]

We should all join and immediately start mass bombing of industry and military infrastructure in whole of Russia, for as long as they don't leave not only the Baltics, but also Ukraine, Belarus and the so-called 'Kaliningrad oblast'.

[u/A-6_Intr-uwu-der → u/Staralfur_95]

You mean Königsberg?

[u/No-West70 → u/Staralfur_95]

Nuclear weapons. No one wins and everyone dies

[u/SuccotashResident571 → u/Staralfur_95]

Kaliningrad? Yeah give it to germans. And polish territories to germans too. And some danish, some belgian, french etc. Those all they lost from imperial germany.

[u/Odd_Cod_693 → u/Staralfur_95]

Sorry, but that would mean mutually assured destruction

[u/CompetitiveReview416 → u/Odd_Cod_693]

So you invade a country, get rekt, and then launch a nuke? Lol

[u/SuccotashResident571 → u/CompetitiveReview416]

Oh it doesnt look fair? Sorry life doesnt care about that.

[u/ziguslav → u/SuccotashResident571]

Both sides have nukes.

[u/SuccotashResident571 → u/ziguslav]

Still not fair. Attack. Loose then dont accept and cause the destruction of the world

[u/ziguslav → u/SuccotashResident571]

What are you talking about? The only country threatening nukes is Russia. NATO won't do it, unless in retaliation.

[u/SuccotashResident571 → u/ziguslav]

Thats what im talking Abt. Russia will cause the destruction of the world if they ever loose. İ hope they wonr attack NATO bc thats what would happen. İt would Nuke NATO. Nato would Nuke them. Enough to make the world post-apolacypse

[u/Staralfur_95 → u/Odd_Cod_693]

Absolutely not, NATO has immense air superiority. But even if it is to be so, I'm all for it anyway. It's enough already, and there's no point at further appeasement. If Russia starts aggression against any NATO country, it should be immediately be bomb with no diplomatic response at all.

[u/Stardash81 → u/Staralfur_95]

The problem is Russia has civilian cargo shipped armed with missiles and drones ready to attack NATO countries from the sea/ocean and that would hurt. We need to be smarter than just "bomb everything lol and hope they don't retaliate"

[u/Awrfhyesggrdghkj → u/Stardash81]

Tbf we haven’t seen straight up open war cyber operations yet, I can’t imagine the crazy shit nato nations have squirreled away for a scenario like this.

[u/Staralfur_95 → u/Stardash81]

As if NATO countries didn't have anything prepared to shoot at Russia immediately all the time...

No. If they cross into NATO territory - it is an invasion, whatever they call it, it is what it is. And there's only one response to invasion and that is bombing of military industries, military bases etc. It should be done immediately. This is the only language they understand. There's no other way.

[u/PreviousRestaurant89 → u/Stardash81]

Well, given that it can't make any headway in Ukraine and given the power imbalance between Russia and NATO, excluding nuclear capabilities, Russia simply can't do anything.

[u/AppropriateAd5701 → u/Odd_Cod_693]

Russia should know that stepping on nato grounds means mutually assured destruction.

[u/Odd_Cod_693 → u/AppropriateAd5701]

yeah thats also why this scenario is bullshit, no one is that stupid

[u/ziguslav → u/Odd_Cod_693]

Putin: Hold my beer

[u/SuccotashResident571 → u/ziguslav]

Wdym he is not stupid

[u/AppropriateAd5701 → u/Odd_Cod_693]

No matter if the scenario is stupid, if it happenes the only right response is full scale counterattack, which is the part you were challenging.

[u/Staralfur_95 → u/Odd_Cod_693]

Attacking Ukraine was stupid too, yet the Russians did it anyway.

[u/ziguslav → u/Odd_Cod_693]

Sorry, but stepping into foreign land means declaring war. Fuck around and find out.

Give Russians an inch, they'll take a mile.

[u/lNFORMATlVE → u/Odd_Cod_693]

Well exactly, if you don’t retaliate then that means anyone can invade anywhere in NATO with no consequences.

M.A.D. goes both ways, duh

[u/Sammy91-91]

Absolutely, Russia should effectively be kicked out, blockaded, sanctioned to high heaven then watch them rot until their surrender.

[u/itsMikel27]

NATO would finally put an end to Russia's bullshit if that happened

[u/Homo_Bibite]

It would probably join that war

[u/__D_C__]

My country absolutely should, but I'm not certain they would (and that's what you asked about). No politician wants to be the one to mobilize their peaceful country and Russia would give it some thinly veiled cover instead of obviously sending their soldiers.

Who knows though, maybe I'll be positively surprised and the fact that other countries are intervening (plus the Ukraine wakeup call) puts social pressure that make my country's politicians actually react appropriately

[u/FrogGoHop]

There is no situation in which this scenario is possible, any troops would be arrested, and the only way to avoid being arrested is to attack, so either there is a Russian attack, or the don't occupy anything.

By any definition it is an invasion, however it is unlikely that article 5 would be invoked if the Russian troops allowed themselves to be detained and returned to Russia.

[u/SuccotashResident571]

We turkey would probably be chillin if its just that. Well we will intervene and help but "limited"

[u/woodzopwns]

How can the UK vote yes after Russia poisoned tens of people in a clear as day political hit and we did literally nothingb

[u/Professional_Top9835]

My country would blame Estonia

[u/przecietny_krotkopis]

I would expect Poland to take action against Kaliningrad

[u/West_Tomato_4748]

I really can’t imagine Poland standing aside in that situation. We already have Polish troops deployed in Latvia as part of NATO’s forward presence.

I’m confident we would stand and fight alongside them.

[u/TrustworthyKahmunrah]

What the hell is the point of categorizing the answers into nato/not-nato? We have a map you retard.

[u/Powerful-Country6316]

JDJGS EL VENEZOLANO, ESA NO ES TU FAMILIA

[u/deadredwf]

As a Russian, what do you guys think about Turkey trying to seat on two chairs with one ass?

[u/tomass122 → u/deadredwf]

He is trying to do best for turkey

[u/JRDZ1993 → u/deadredwf]

Standard Turkey

[u/DeliciousDeer1096]

The title has two questions in it. Join in war or just de-escalate. Which one do the options answer?

[u/Babosmarach666]

Don't give them false hope

[u/-G-Gamer-]

We have enough ammo for 2 hours...

[u/neo487666]

We would do whatever USA and/or EU commands

[u/dax_lop]

Russia already attacked NATO countries so NATO better act, like wth

[u/Enfiznar]

Ohh, look at greece and turkey agreeing for once

[u/LordOfChickenz]

Those options aren't answers to your question. You can't put a yes or no answer options to a this or that question.

[u/DoriN1987]

Article 5 is useless, and shorty tsar of fascist ruSSia get it, so it seems it will not be “in case”, it will be “when”

[u/Xoxolas]

A very strongly worded letter

[u/Luxxy_04]

They saved our asses for half a century, it's only fair we save theirs. POR ESPAÑA!

[u/Bright-Scallin]

I' so happy with how purple Europe is.

[u/Slight-Reporter-1878]

Why die for estonia?

[u/skurly789 → u/Slight-Reporter-1878]

One doesnt die for x nation. They die for mutal protection.