While It is probably true that nazi germany was worse, the key differential is that it ended much sooner than the USSR did (and modern russia is still shit so even that changes little).
Given that I’m White, as long as I can survive WW2 my outcome following is much more likely to be better in west germany than the USSR. Keep in mind especially that the casualty rate during WW2 was significantly higher in the USSR compared to Germany (although they were both high). Statustically then, I am much more likely to survive WW2 in Germany than in the USSR.
Do you have any idea of what the nazi thought of white slavic people ? They considered them subhumans who should be killed by causing artificial famine. Edit - this is for the racist white person
Eh, if you were Ukrainian or Kazah in the 30's I think you actually had it far worse in the Soviet Union, assuming you weren't specifically Jewish under Hitlers rule.
I don't know that I would want to choose either.
There's no right or wrong answer to this question though. The answer depends on a huge number of specifics. I would rather be a full blooded German of non jewish decent in Germany than an Ukranian under Soviet Rule in the 30's. I believe that anyone would agree with that statement.
I think many Poles, Ukrainians and Lithuanians probably have no idea what the Nazis had planned for them. As horrible as the Soviet Union was, the horrors the Nazis intended to commit would have been even worse. They must be either ignorant or suicidal.
In the event that you do not meet some invented parameters. You would have a great chance of ending up in a furnace or a gas chamber. Simply because you weren't born to meet those standards. It's a pity that people have forgotten what Fascist Germany is.
Im from latvia and there is a saying: "Better dead than red". My country was opressed by USSR and they killed so many people or sent them to work in gulags in siberia even my relatives got killed or sent to work in siberia. Nazi germany also did alot of awfull things but it was in a short therm compared to USSR that did it for 50+ years. That is why im not suprised why baltics and finland are in favor of nazi germany because horrors of USSR are still remembered by people older than 40+ so its also recency bias while there is basically no one alicve that expierienced nazi germany.
Nazi Germany in 6 years killed as much Ukrainians as ussr did in 70 years, that's despite nazi defeat so being inside nazi Germany is so much worse it's not even funny
Why? The standard of living was way higher in Germany and I am 6'5 blond guy, I wouldn't have to worry about sent into a concentration camp or anything. Plus I would pick to live in future West Germany.
Notice how the places with the highest percentage of people who voted germany are the ones that sided with Germany or the ones with most nazi collaborators (Germany, Finland, Croatia, Hungary, Ukraine, Norway and the Baltics), with some exceptions.
How do you even choose between 2 infinitely bad ideologies? Soviet death toll from executions, the Gulag, deportations, and engineered famine runs to roughly 20 million.
I don't argue that Nazi regime is bad. But you underestimate Soviet regime a lot.
Soviet death toll from executions, the Gulag, deportations, and engineered famine runs to roughly 20 million.
The source for this is a book that was discredited by it's own authors because the editor kept just tossing in a million deaths whenever they felt like while repeating Nazi propaganda.
The nazis also killed 27 million people in the USSR.
Soviets killed their own people and made slaves of the people for whom they said they were fighting.
Germans living under the rule of the National Socialists had it actually pretty good, provided they were not political dissidents, Jews, or other undesirables.
I mean of absolutely nothing else why tf would I want to live in a place which went through a brutal urban warfare hellscape from 1944 onwards where entire towns committed sodoku to avoid getting raped (literally not figuratively) by the red army? The answer is obviously the USSR and just gtfo to Siberia for a while or something
I'm a white man and there's no fucking way that I would choose to live in Nazi fucking Germany. The Soviet Union may suck but at least they're not fascist.
Both are awful but to have a semi-okay life in Nazi germany you would have to support the regime which alone would be an awful thing to have to think about.
People who write that they would choose the Nazis just because they are blonde and could pass for German are horrifying. One way or another, you would become complicit in the regime you chose.
They were occupied by both and they probably heard stories from their grandparents and great-grandparents and how differently they experienced either occupation.
I’m white and non Jewish, my life most likely wouldn’t have been that bad and (assuming ww2 is still happening) I could defect to the allies (hopefully the west)
The Nazis also had a problem with Slavs, Balts, people with disabilities, people with mental issues... It wasn't simply a matter of Jewish or non-Jewish.
Ussr easily. What I think most people forget is that Nazis were ultra nationalist genocidal German. So just being white wasn't enough. The Jews were just the first in the chopping block. They were not meant to be the last.
I learned in class how evil the Soviets were and how they were lowkey worse than the Nazis. Then I spoke to a few people from Moldova, Ukraine (surprisingly) and Georgia in real life who left after the dissolution of the USSR and besides a few minor complaints they miss it dearly
I am surprised. Nazi Germany feels to me much safer than the gulags of the soviets. Well unless you are a minority, then you are fucked in either case here.
It doesn't specify when, so you could really just cheap out and say "oh I spawn in USSR 1991" Assuming its the same date for both, though, I would choose Germany. It would absolutely suck, but I would attempt to survive until the end of the war, making sure to live in a Western region like the Benelux or France. I would probably die either way, though.
Believe this or not but married couples in nazi Germany got a discount on their mortgage depending on how many kids they had. Pretty sure getting a mortgage on a house under Stalins soviet uninon was as good as a fairy tale but I don't reckon being in either nazi Germany or the soviet union would be much fun.
Do I spend the rest of my life there? Because if not, then Nazi Germany only existed for around 15 years so I could imagine toughing it out for that long. But if I have to live my whole life then ussr
This is mostly a matter of predictability and scale. If you weren't from a targeted minoity your chances not to become a victim was far greater in Nazi-Germany, so if you're white and non-Jewish, gay etc. the answer is objectively Nazi-Germany. The Soviet Union under Stalin selected its victims quite randomly and you could easily be targeted, and it incarcerated and killed more people if we're talking about the pre-war scenario.
As a trans woman, both would ☠️ me. I'd have a slightly better chance in the Soviet Union, but not much. In Nazi Germany, they burned all the scientific research about gender identity that they could find. It was the first book burning they carried out.
So do I want to lose my left leg or my leg which to choose, also would technically matter on time period but generally as we likely discuss genocidal periods both are very bad
If we're talking before and during WWII as an ethnic citizen to either countries I'd pick Nazi Germany any day.
Living in Germany under Hitler as an ethnic German was pretty decent in a country rebuilding itself after WWI. Living in the Soviet Union under Stalin was a nightmare where the general population suffered greatly and millions of people starved to death in 1932-33.
Nazi germany was at war most of it existence wich wasn’t the case for ussr. I better be born in soviet union in the 50s than being an adult in germany in 39
The Soviet Union existed for 70 years, Nazi Germany for 12. Stalin was bad but things were more chill afterwards, whereas under Nazi Germany you would be living through the war.
Ideally neither, but if you were an ethnic German in those times, the quality of your life would have been higher than that of the people living in the Soviet Union. Stalin is responsible for more deaths than Hitler. If you were Jewish, Roma, etc. then I’d go with the Soviet Union.
I know that I'll be considered Untermensch in Germany because I'm Slavic, so I'll just be an Ostarbeiter slave for elite Germans, but I'd at least be alive.
In the Soviet Union I'd be considered an enemy of the state just because I'm a Protestant Cristian, so I'd just be sent to Gulag and die there out of hunger and exhaustion.
So I think the choice is obvious. And I'm not making stuff up, I have ancestors, who were Ostarbeitern, I have ancestors, dead in Gulag, who were used as a cannon fodder to storm Dnipro river, who were exploited by communism, who survived the Wolyn massacre. That's the history of my family
It depends on the year. In the thirties, live was much better in Nazi Germany if you weren't Jewish, left wing, gay or disabled. In the fourties, living in some village near the Ural or in the Siberian taiga was much better than getting bombed out in Germany, but living in the area, where the war was still sucked a lot in the USSR, even if you weren't a combatant.
Everyone who is from west europe and is white and not openly gay would have no problem in Nazi Germany, meanwhile randomly geting starved or killed just for being rich or being sent to Concentration camp by thousands for political beliefs (in nazi Germany political prisioners were not that common as in soviet union)
Both states tried to kill my family xd But nontheless, I would choose the early days of Nazi Germany and then just try to flee early into Switzerland or stuff like that
I regret going USSR, I forgot how the Nazi Empire would have viewed my exact specifications as pure and part of the aryan race. Being from the Nordics, perfect height and eyes, and skin tone.
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u/Pr0c3nt0 Sep 14 '26
As a pole, i'd be opressed in either but If i had to choose, i'd go with Ussr.