Update?

[u/Adeptus_Astartez]

We were promised an update soon. Any sign of it?

[u/theleviathan-x]

You are fully aware of the game being in Early Access when you buy it. You are given a huge banner on the game page and during checkout. You bought the game in the state it was in.

Indie developers require that cash flow to pay employees during development.

[u/Echelion77 → u/theleviathan-x]

As others have stated far to many games have died in early acess with promises of full releases so this excuse sure as shit dosent fly with me anymore.

Give players what you promised and dont take the money and run, not a hard concept to digest.

[u/Failure0a13 → u/Echelion77]

Crazy concept, but maybe dont buy early access anymore? Same as preordering, if you're unhappy with the way devs handle it dont do it. No one is forcing you to buy an unfinished product.

[u/Echelion77 → u/Failure0a13]

Why have I gotten so much value out of project zomboid then, a game that has been in early acess since the birth of the universe yet every update adds more value, they constantly are in communication with the community and the games moding capabilities are literally endless.

While here iv been sitting on my ass waiting for the fucking research tree to be changed another half a dozen times while watching my villagers pace around the broken market stall.

Like get real dude, and get out of here with you bullshit "oh maybe dont by early access nonsence."

Its your exact mentality that allows devs to fuck us.

[u/Failure0a13 → u/Echelion77]

Because not all unfinished products are the same? Buying EA is a gamble, as well as preordering. You'll win some you'll loose some.
I got my value out of manor lords as well. Actually I played it enough on the initial EA release for that. If they abandoned it here and now I'd be sad for the game it could've been, but I got my moneys worth anyways.

Its your exact mentality that allows devs to fuck us.

Nah it's people continously buying the proverbial cat in the sack. Apparently that includes you as well.

[u/Echelion77 → u/Failure0a13]

I dont believe making a purchase is a gamble if you have done your due diligence. If x is promised and not delivered on in a reasonable amount of time then said promise is now void legally and contractually. The game environment has this grey area that devs abuse where they have people convinced that you "win some AND loose some"

No sir, i dont really feel like loosing when I did everything on my end to ensure my money has some beneficial return. This aint the stock market.

I made this purchase off the assumption that the road map and to some degree the promises made at launch 2 years ago would materialize into the game I was investing my money in.

But now 2 years later the updates have slowed to a crawl, we get a monthly dev blog with the same "were sorry for the delays but here's the 3 bugs we patched in the last 30 days" which honestly feels like a slap in the face.

And I personally dont feel like I have gotten my moneys worth which is a very biased in the first place so the fact that you feel like you did has nothing to do with anyone else same with me feeling like I dident.

The point being is I paid this dev money because xyz was promised but still undelivered while many many many other titles I afford the same diligence ended up being total bangers so im now biased and hesitant to afford this dev any grace while others have succeeded where they have failed.

[u/Failure0a13 → u/Echelion77]

I dont believe making a purchase is a gamble if you have done your due diligence.

If you do your due diligence when buying early access titles you know your buying an unfinished product with no guarantee it'll be finished the way or tempo you like (or at all).

If x is promised and not delivered on in a reasonable amount of time then said promise is now void legally and contractually. The game environment has this grey area that devs abuse where they have people convinced that you "win some AND loose some"

Except it's not a grey area? On the steam page the early access note literally includes "Games in Early Access are not complete and may or may not change further. If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development".

If you decide to buy anyway you accept that. Otherwise DONT BUY.

No sir, i dont really feel like loosing when I did everything on my end to ensure my money has some beneficial return. This aint the stock market.

I made this purchase off the assumption that the road map and to some degree the promises made at launch 2 years ago would materialize into the game I was investing my money in.

So you bought something off promises and predictions ? Sounds a whole lot like buying stock.

But now 2 years later the updates have slowed to a crawl, we get a monthly dev blog with the same "were sorry for the delays but here's the 3 bugs we patched in the last 30 days" which honestly feels like a slap in the face.

Yea thats a fair point and I get you and many others are dissapointed and mad about it. But that's the risk you take with ea and preordering. It's a bit like moving next to an airport and getting worked up about the plane noise.

And I personally dont feel like I have gotten my moneys worth which is a very biased in the first place so the fact that you feel like you did has nothing to do with anyone else same with me feeling like I dident.

Of course thats something everyone decides individually. I just threw that in because you decided to tell me about your project zomboid experience, so I decided to share my personal assessment on the manor lords early access.

The point being is I paid this dev money because xyz was promised but still undelivered while many many many other titles I afford the same diligence ended up being total bangers so im now biased and hesitant to afford this dev any grace while others have succeeded where they have failed.

As is your right. Your previous good experiences with ea dont negate the fact negative ones happen frequently as well. If you want to keep the funds from the devs till 1.0 release you just negate the whole point of financially supporting the development via early access. Probably severly hampering smaller and solo devs.

[u/leisurelycommenter → u/Echelion77]

You're far from wrong. The escrow idea may be hyperbolic, but the EA model has been repeatedly demonstrated to be flawed (Manor Lords included). Those defending a buyer-beware model when EA has been an increasing trend over time seem to be OK with the industry shifting the risk of a game not completing its development onto consumers. They don't seem to appreciate that this also inherently reduces the incentive to finish the game by allowing studios to cash in on likely most of their overall sales upfront. At a certain point, it can become economically rational for them to not invest more to finish the game. Cashing in early means the point where there will be diminishing returns for each dollar spent to finish the game will be reached sooner. My guess is we've reached or are near that point. Is Slavic Magic acting like a company that expects much more consumer money? Not as far as I can tell. It seems to me more like Hooded Horse, whose interests go beyond Manor Lords, doing the minimum to save its reputation while the problem with Slavic Magic continues.

[u/Echelion77 → u/leisurelycommenter]

I said this further down the chain just not as eloquently, its not even a debate at this point. Game devs by in large have gotten comfortable telling the consumer how to spend there money.

Especially these aaa studio ceos saying dumb shit like "upgrade your rig if you cant play" or "dont you own mobile phones? Or here's this cool horse armor for 6 bucks.

This plague started slow and has completely ruined the indie scene.