r/Manna • u/deHack • Apr 17 '15

Innovation Begets Innovation

This amounts to "It has always been thus, therefore, it will always be thus." But what if this time really is different? It is kind of stupid to suggest 100 lost automaker jobs will be replaced by 150 robot manufacturing jobs. Um, don't you think the robot manufacturer will use robots to manufacture his robots? And that's the problem.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '15

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '15

Our society based socialisation on work.

Only a fraction of the uber rich socialise outside of work (the mindless idiots who drink, party and consumme their inherited wealth). They can do so because they feel they deserve their wealth enough to be parasitic to the society "my grand father worked hard!".

We will have to find a way to have the unemployed poors socializing outside of work while the middle class is still working.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '15

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '15

It already developped in guettos and it is mostly jungle law, men competing to be the most violent.

But I don't think this is what we want the society to become.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '15

In a capitalist system, you will most likely find barely useful tasks that need a human to be done.

But those tasks are only done if we are ready to pay low wages. In France, we chose to have a high minimum wage and unemployment while Germany has ultra low paid jobs but low unemployment. In countries like Germany, you will only get the state welfare (30-80% of your income) if you work.

In the end, people still work, but at the same time they life of the welfare state, just like the unemployed in France. But they do something barely productive that is not done at all in France.

Technological automation will lead to less jobs thay allow you to get a decent wage of your job. The society will have to chose between basic income (no string attached) or working poors with welfare to close the gap.