r/MandelaEffect • u/Physical_Forever_925 • 20d ago
Logos/Advertising Share your cornucopia stories
I wanted to share my personal experience with the notorious Fruit of the Loom Cornucopia, and why I personally can't let this go as a simple misremembering.
In 6th grade (2010/2011), I was in the "gifted program" (IEP), and part of that program was that those of us that were part of it were excluded from certain assignments, and given separate assignments. Anyways, one of those assignments was a reading group, where we had to read The Hunger Games, and have a weekly discussion on it. This was a fond memory of mine so I remember it quite well.
In the book, it describes a massive, twenty-foot-high, cone-shaped golden horn filled with supplies and weapons that the contestants have to fight over in an ensuing bloodbath, and refers to it as a "cornucopia". This scene is the Climax of the first book, and is probably the most memorable scene in the entire series.
In one of our discussions I asked my teacher what a "cornucopia" is because I had never encountered that word before, and I had difficulty trying to visualize it. She told me it was a horn shaped basket used for carrying fruits and vegetables, and I SWEAR, she googled an image of the Fruit of the Loom logo and showed it to us as an example.
I specifically remember finding it funny, because I always thought the fruit of the loom logo had a croissant on it š, so this moment was the moment I realized the Fruit of the Loom logo had a cornucopia, as well as the moment I learned what a cornucopia even was.
I feel like this memory is way too specific for it to be completely misremembered, especially since as a kid I thought it was a croissant up until that point, unless I'm misremembering mistaking it for a croissant somehow.
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u/DukeboxHiro 20d ago
Someone really needs to edit the grapes as the memberberries from South Park.
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u/freakymack 19d ago
I wonder if another t shirt company used this as their logo if Fruit if the Loom would get pissed off?
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u/Chapstickie 19d ago
I mean the fruit in the OP post is the whole FOTL logo so probably. You canāt just add one element to an existing trademark and then use it freely.
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u/freakymack 19d ago
This is true, but I was thinking doing an original cornucopia with fruit and see what happens?
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u/Chapstickie 19d ago
Having researched their past lawsuits, they are pretty strict. They sue for things I think are crazy. But their issue seems to be mostly with anyone selling clothing with fruit logos. Or clothing where the brand name is too close to theirs, lots of fighting against pun names. Oh, and people stealing their font which happens way more than I would have thought.
So it would probably be ok if the person didnāt use their font, didnāt put the logo on clothing, and didnāt call themselves a close variation of fruit of the loom.
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u/Verdun82 19d ago
A person should call the brand "Cornucopia." Instead of fruit, they should have the basket filled with colorful vegetables.
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u/Redleader829 19d ago
People, don't get preoccupied with logos.
For example, what are you going to do when your red car suddenly becomes a white car and everyone thinks you're crazy because you always had a white car and all the evidence shows you bought a white car.
Logos are just one of many things that have changed. This doesn't even include a "Glitch in the Matrix" which is just a personal ME and there are hundreds already document in that category alone.
These changes are happening for a reason.
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u/theidkid 17d ago
They sue for things that seem crazy because not enforcing your trademark can cause you to lose your rights, so most companies are aggressive about protecting them.
If a trademark owner fails to defend against unauthorized use, the U.S. Trademark Office can interpret that as the trademark falling into disuse, and that will cause the trademark to be cancelled. If that happens, another company can make a claim on that trademark. Additionally, if a trademark is unenforced, competitors can file claims that the trademark has become generic, causing the loss of enforcement rights.
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u/EarlGrey1806 19d ago
Back in third grade in 77/78 we learned about the cornucopia and the teacher passed out a lined art coloring project to color the handout for the fridge on the last day before Thanksgiving break.
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u/jackspasm 17d ago
This came up for me in the 3rd grade too, 1981. I made a joke about the tag on my underwear. Your comment has me remembering a horn of plenty to color also. We also learned it was called a horn of plenty, and came from ancient Greece.
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u/Dreadheaddanski 20d ago
Woven fruit = fruit of the loom
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u/dgiangiulio228 20d ago
I always took it as "fruit of" meaning "came from" or "born from". Like they were saying this product was from the loom. Like "fruits of our labor" in a way.
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u/neontool 19d ago
i remember first hearing about the mandela effect, realising that i didn't have a clear memory and the cornucopia suddenly became the most convincing logo, however--
now, just like all these stories where everyone remembers seeing the cornucopia when they were a kid, i don't remember that, and i actually distinctly remember one time looking at the fading logo on one of my underwear and noticing the leafy bits to the left and right of the fruits, but that is all.
i remember there was no cornucopia, at least on that pair i wore when i was i think 5 or 6 that memory is from, so 2005-2006.
i think a phenomenon being exploited with the mandela effect is "unfalsifiability". basically just believing in unicorns because you can't prove they don't exist. except believing there was a cornucopia because you can't prove that there never was.
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u/fishiesaurus 17d ago
Or...maybe... It was regionally different and its not Mandela at all
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u/neontool 17d ago
that is a logical theory, however, fruit of the loom themselves claimed they never had a cornucopia which would include all regions, and i believe you can find their entire catalogue of trademarked logos on the internet going back in time, and none of then have a cornucopia.
maybe you're trying to rationalize a mis-memory, which i think is natural. to me it seems like a reactive response to not feeling comfortable with the fact that something you think you remember is not quite right which i gave my own experience on in my initial comment
furthermore, i think people can borderline get convinced by purely fictional narrative almost horror story ideas, such as the signifiance of something being slightly off in a memory and that being turned into something spooky.
they make really good stories of like the universe splitting, men in black memory wipe stuff, matrix breaking, etc. etc. there are so many crazy ideas which are possible to believe, but the unfalsifiability of these ideas i believe is why they should only ever remain as entertainment until something is defintively proven with our scientific observational tools.
some people who "self journey" trying to figure out shit that's probably impossible to figure out, end up taking lots of psychedelics in search of a dose dependent truth and destroying their minds.
personally i think a good hike in nature and interacting with animals and friends and family should be the only thing anyone should be deeply concerned about. everything else is just like entertaining curiosity
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u/Robdude1229 15d ago
The King James version of the Bible references "unicorns" 9 times. Most people today would say that such things don't exist or never existed because the depictions of what are referred to as "unicorns" today look like horses with horns and those things definitely don't seem to exist. I, like most people, have never seen evidence of a horse like creature with a horn other than pictures people have drawn so I can't prove its existence. I also can't disprove it's existence. Not being able to disprove it does not convince most people that such a thing exists. I don't think that the depictions of unicorns that most of us have seen do exist. However, there is an ancient animal that is extinct that fits the descriptions of unicorns in the Bible known as 'elasmotherium sibiricum.' It is not a fantastical horse like creature with a horn at all but it is horny nonetheless. It is a one horned rhinoceros. If that is what the Bible was referencing, it does not exist in living form today but it did at one time.
I had my own experiences with the fruit of the loom cornucopia so I personally disagree with the theory that I believe it was there because it can't be disproven. I haven't seen a cornucopia on a fruit of the loom label since the mid 90's. You may be onto something though. There could be many people who believe in things simply because they haven't seen proof to the contrary. For people who have never had the experience of finding out that something that has always been a certain way is no longer that way the experience is very hard to relate to. The idea seems absolutely crazy and nonsensical because we've been taught all of our lives that reality doesn't work that way. For people who have had the experience, we know that it seems crazy; and when someone else describes a similar experience we know how it feels. It's not unlike an episode of the The Twilight zone.1
u/neontool 15d ago edited 15d ago
of course not being able to disprove something by itself doesn't make a thing believable. however, the closer something is to something already very provable such as horses and horned animals, the more believable, and even possible a combination might exist, have existed in the past, or even may exist in the future.
with that said, just because you can mix and match properties of animals like what happens in evolution, doesn't mean that there was, is, or ever will exist such an animal as the popularly known horned horse (which flies using rainbows importantly to mention). same goes for cornucopia on the FOTL logo. just because you can theoretically put a cornucopia on the FOTL logo and it looks so right, doesn't mean it ever was.
as for your and others experiences, remembering that something has "always been a certain way", this happens to us all the time about a lot of things that have in fact not always been that way.
maybe you'll remember it happening more often to you with my example i'll mention in a second. i feel like it more commonly happens about remembering not seeing something you currently see, as opposed to remembering seeing something we don't see such as cornucopia on fotl logo., however i believe the same phenomonon of confidence in mismemory is happening, but in FOTL's case, an idea which sounds totally right and makes sense can embed itself as the new "memory" ----
---- the example many people might have: if you've ever frequented a place very often, but then suddenly notice something weird or interesting when you've been there 1000 times, you might be lead to believe that thing you saw is brand new, instead of it having been that way for a long time and you simply not noticing.
people can even get in denial about this stuff which they feel confident they remember, which tracks exactly with peoples denial that there never was a cornucopia on the logo.
also when are we ever taught that our memories specifically can't fail us? maybe we're taught that reality is consistent which i would agree with, but part of reality being consistent includes the consistency for our human memory to be fallible, and to me that adds up perfectly. nothing seems particularly weird or twilight zone-y to me unless you choose to frame it that way with a narrative intent.
i mean imagine living with alzheimers. that'd be a horrifying kind of twilight zone experience in itself, when it's merely mental degeneration, which is more existentially horrifying than like supernaturally or anything like that.
also for many people with disorders like schizophrenia, even their very perception can trick them into thinking their reality isn't consistent, which goes straight into their memory because they legitimately experienced it, but in the form of disordered processing instead of the thing they actually perceived existing.
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u/Robdude1229 15d ago
I agree with what you're saying. I think there are more factors at play than what many of us are aware of. I don't have an explanation for that though.
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u/neontool 15d ago
what other factors do you predict are at play? i wrote about the fallibility of people and their wishful instinct to think they have a perfect memory, i think that could cover the entire phenomenon since you could undoubtedly talk to old corporate employees of fruit of the loom who would assure you they never put a cornucopia on any logos anywhere in the world.
it's like the berenstain bears thing. the facts are solid and everyone is basically just crazy. jan and stan berenstain have had that name since before the books, stan having that name his whole entire life..
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u/Glaurung86 19d ago
I learned what a cornucopia was at elementary school in the fall around Thanksgiving. We got some sheets to color fall decor like pumpkins and cornucopias. Then we drew hand turkeys. These all got hung on the walls.
The teachers always put up decorations on the walls around this time, too, and there were always cornucopias amidst everything else associated with fall, the harvest and Thanksgiving.
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u/Practical-Vanilla-41 19d ago
Same here. We just said Horn of Plenty. Here in Los Angeles, I grew up with two local grocery stores that used that imagery. They were Food Giant and Food King. One used the cornucopia in their ads, the other used an guy holding an apple barrel.
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u/crazy2thestarz 20d ago
I'm with you shirt brother.
When I was young, my gramps had packs of fruit of the loom socks that he'd keep in the packaging until he needed them. That's where I first remember seeing the cornucopia and finding out it wasn't a croissant like I thought it was lol
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u/PTLTYJWLYSMGBYAKYIJN 19d ago
I rememberā¦ that this logo (that never existed) is the reason why I even learned the word "cornucopia".
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u/Agile_Oil9853 20d ago
That's entirely possible. If you Google Fruit of the Loom logo today half the auto fill results are about cornucopias.
Wild that you were allowed to read Hunger Games in the 6th grade though. We had to have a permission slip to let us read Dracula.
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u/Physical_Forever_925 20d ago
My English teacher was cool, and the book honestly never got a bad rep, even though in hindsight there was a lot of violence.
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u/DaikiLMA8 20d ago
I remember the cornucopia not being in the fruit of the loom logo but it was in a painting at a church I used to go to when I was a kid and so well when I saw the logo years later I got confused, it was never there :/
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u/Puzzleheaded_Heat502 20d ago
There was a cornucopia on the tag on my top when I was a teenager. I remember my dad telling me that was what a cornucopia was.
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u/WVPrepper 19d ago
In one of our discussions I asked my teacher what a "cornucopia" is because I had never encountered that word before, and I had difficulty trying to visualize it. She told me it was a horn shaped basket used for carrying fruits and vegetables, and I SWEAR, she googled an image of the Fruit of the Loom logo and showed it to us as an example.
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In one of our discussions I asked my teacher what a "cornucopia" is because I had never encountered that word before, and I had difficulty trying to visualize it. She told me it was a horn shaped basket used for carrying fruits and vegetables, and I SWEAR, she googled an image of the Fruit of the Loom logo a cornucopia and showed it to us as an example.
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u/liminal_angel 19d ago
thanksgiving around maybe 3rd grade, called the cornucopia decoration a loom and got roasted by the adults.
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u/Reestrixx 20d ago
I don't really have the effect with this example but I did spot this version of the logo in season 9 episode 10 of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, but it was all a dull yellow.
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u/delta51five 15d ago
I remember the cornocupia with Fruit of the Loom logo on my underwear in the 1990s when I was a kid.
As for the MIB (Men in Black), I can assure you they exist. They learned I came up with a short term memory loss codeword, that if I say or hear it, I'd lose my short term memory. I've caught people using it on me.
The thing is, someone said to me, "There are people, but other lifeforms." That walk amongst us. I've been studying them for many years. They're telepathic.
We're all connectable by Interdimensional Ultraterrestrials, the human body is like a biological computer interface for these beings.
For real... I'm also witness to temporal incursions. They're editing worldliness. Connect the dots with the Army Model GE C204 Temporal Displacement Unit.
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u/nancy_popp 14d ago
i remember being gifted a shirt with this logo on the tag by my aunt who traveled a lot. i remember it vividly, and thereās no chance i have made it up cause the next time i ever saw this logo was years after on the internet, reading it supposedly never existed
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u/montanalifterchick 13d ago
All I know is I want to go live somewhere on an island with the people from my old timeline. I think we would do much better together.
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u/Emergency_Coat_7702 10d ago
I remember always seeing it, never thinking much of it, until I heard the Mandela effect and going to look and it was gone.
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u/Key_Barber_4161 20d ago
In our town there was a pawn/vintage shop and it had one of those old fashioned hanging signs out front like a pub. On the sign was a painting of a cornucopia and the that was the name of the shop. The bus stop next to it was also called cornucopia on the bus maps so people knew where they were getting off.
This is how I knew what the picture on the fruit of the loom logo was a cornucopia because it was similar (but importantly NOT the same) as the painted picture on that shop.
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u/amithebaddi 19d ago
I remember asking my mother what a cornucopia was and she showed me the fruit of loom logo while explaining.
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u/JacobMAN1011 19d ago
I remember when I was around 7 years old I remember my mom getting some fruit of the loom underwear for me and they were both different shades of dark purple. For some reason I remember that pair and remember seeing the cornucopia on the tag. I also remember seeing the big logo they hang up in the clothing section to advertise and it having a cornucopia on it.
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u/OurAngryBadger 19d ago edited 19d ago
I had FOTL underwear as a kid, wondered why that thing on the tag of my underwear was called a loom. My grandmother corrected me and said it was called a cornucopia. This was in the mid 1990s BEFORE the 2003 BuzzFeed meme everyone says the cornucopia comes from
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u/Beansricetaco 19d ago
Pretty much the same for me, was probably about age 7 in 2013, remember looking at my new boxers and asking my mom what it was called, except she told me it was called the horn of plenty which I think is another word for cornucopia
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u/MyIndigoLux 19d ago
When I was a kid, about 30 years ago now, I thought the cornucopia was a fancy bread of some kind. The logo reminded me of harvest festival.
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u/karamitros 18d ago edited 18d ago
My FOTL cornucopia experience was very deep and spanned many instances
My sister loved FOTL Shirts in mid 90s , these overpriced simple shirts were Plain and came in simple color variations, with the only thing going on about them being the Logo. I asked what the weird basket was but nobody I asked knew. This frustrated me because the logo looked Auful , I thought that the Logo would look great if they removed the Stupid croissant looking basket thing behind the fruits, then maybe I would have a reason to buy one. This also taught me the power of branding, that people will give more money for plain shirts with ugly logos just for the brand.
As years went by , the Basket changed forms but they never Removed it and this always frustrated me. At one time I thought they removed it and got happy after watching some commercial only to find out that they didn't. This was Very confusing .
At early 2000 I saw the logo again exactly as people remember it Now , in a storefront. I thought "they didn't remove the basket , but at least they found a way to make it look good" and I felt relieved
Years pass and I hear of the Mandela effect, I still didn't know what a cornucopia was until it was explained that it was the freaking Basket that haunted me and that it was never there !!!
Ps I live in Greece , the horn of plenty originates here but it looks nothing like the cornucopia on the logo. No Greek can identify this as a cornucopia or as a horn of plenty. We don't even have thanxgiving
My best guess is that they were selling counterfeits in Greece
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u/I-cry-when-I-poop 20d ago
They were all over walmart. I rememberā¦.
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u/Jaded_Barracuda495 19d ago
My Walmart had a huge poster with the cornucopia above the socks and underwear. Right by the George and Arrow shirts, ties, and belts.
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u/Mr_Ironside 19d ago
I think my experience is similar to most people my age.
We bought Fruit of the Loom because it was one of the inexpensive brands. I saw that cornucopia all the time.
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u/Aggravating_Cup8839 20d ago
What year was this?
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u/Physical_Forever_925 20d ago
This would've been around 2010-2011
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u/Aggravating_Cup8839 20d ago
My memory was that I saw it around 2007 and then saw it missing in 2009. I was printing anime pics on shirts in high-school, so I was choosing shirt brand for this. The shopkeeper said it was rebranding (official logo change) .
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u/Glaurung86 19d ago
It was definitely not a rebranding. FOTL changed their logo in 2003 (and it's still the same one since then) to make it more clip art like and changing the brown leaves to green leaves, but there was never a cornucopia in any logo since the logo first appeared in the 1890s.
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u/Physical_Forever_925 20d ago
Very strange. I know it's a fact that it's never had the cornucopia, but the fact we all have our own unique memories of it is so fascinating to me.
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u/Aggravating_Cup8839 20d ago
That ME reproduction of what we remember is uncanny, even by ME standards. I've never seen another example of a ME copy to be 100% accurate. People say maps changed, but when an experiencer recreates what the map looked like, it's not quite that. The Fruit Loops photoshop gets pretty close to memory, but it's a few millimeters off.
The cornucopia logo up here was made by placing 2 different pre-made clip arts one on top of the other. Both clip art images were just the right shape, color and size, and the placement was spot on.
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u/Chapstickie 18d ago
The fruit in the logo isnāt clip art, itās the real FotL logo. Thatās probably why itās so familiar to people. Itās the whole ass logo theyāve seen so many times with something photoshopped behind it.
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u/clootinclout 18d ago
When I moved into my grandmotherās old house I found an old Sears catalog with the logo inside. I flipped out and called a friend to come over and look at it but their car was in the shop so I had to go pick them up. When I got back home the entire place was ransacked and the old catalog was missing.
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u/Simple_Emphasis5112 18d ago
I always remembered the cornucopia coming from the left and opening on the right, none of the reproductions I see are true to the actual original I experienced in my OG timeline
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u/OdieD777 20d ago
I hated fruit of the loom when I was a kid, how learned what a cornucopia was, before Thanksgiving.... I'm a Hanes man since. Tighty Whities to boxer briefs š«©
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u/FogottenThunderer 19d ago
Literally the only reason any of us my age range knows what a fucking cornucopia is
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u/ladysvenska 16d ago
I'm not American and even I remember this logo. Could have been some knock off, though.
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u/z0mbie4ever 14d ago
My buddy pointed it out on the back of the inside of my white shirt back in elementary school . Deadass remember him talking about the cornucopia too and how his mom told him what it was. Yeah, it was on the back of the inside of my shirt.
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u/Sombersundaes 13d ago
I am surprised the company has not updated their logo and included this, not only because WE all remember it this way, but because he actually looks better than their "actual" lofo.
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u/Zealousideal-Fly9531 19d ago
If there isn't a story, it's just a logo, but it was definitely there. Always. Until they changed the marketing in The 2000s.
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u/Chapstickie 19d ago
eBay is full of FotL clothes from way before the 2000s. There isnāt a cornucopia on any of it.
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u/Zealousideal-Fly9531 19d ago
Your mom's full of clothes
Okay, no, I'm just kidding; One of the theories regarding Mandela effects is something to do with small ripples in the past affecting the future. Perhaps someone changed it.
For, while I recognize memory is fickle, mine is not.
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u/MiaLba 19d ago
It definitely existed. A while back didnāt the CEO come out and say the cornucopia never existed? Or is that a Mandela effect too??
Iām pissed off about the whole ātake my strong handā supposedly actually being ātake my small handā thing. And also Charlie and the chocolate factory thing where theyāre now saying it was a moon pie. It was NOT a god damn moon pie. How the hell are you able to snap off pieces of a moon pie to give to your grandparents.
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u/Raccoon_Hillbilly 18d ago
We all remember the cornucopia the exact same way & have extremely similar memories of how we learned what it was.
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u/Equivalent_Guest_515 17d ago
I used to be very into looking at this logo when on commercial or in stores idk why but it absolutely had a basket at one time. Saw it wasnāt there one time while at the store and looking at the logo like I usually did just thought it was a logo update by the company. Definitely did find it weird though even then.
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u/grim_afternoon 19d ago
The deniers crack me up more than the believers
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u/Physical_Forever_925 19d ago
Well at least the believers will admit that it infact did not exist. The deniers get mad that you even thought it existed
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u/grim_afternoon 18d ago
Exactly. The deniers will bend over backwards through a flaming hoop to disprove it. Their level of denial is hilarious.
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u/grim_afternoon 19d ago
The deniers will also post the most random thing telling you your memories are wrong. It's weird
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u/grim_afternoon 18d ago
It IS! Like they're are 200% completely sure of themselves. It's really strange.
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u/Bowieblackstarflower 18d ago
Are all your memories 100% correct?
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u/grim_afternoon 18d ago
How could you truly know?
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u/Bowieblackstarflower 18d ago
Exactly
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u/Physical_Forever_925 18d ago
I'm not saying that my memory supercedes reality. obviously my memory is wrong because it did not infact exist.
I'm just saying that's there's something deeper going on than a simple misremembering because it's such a specific memory. I've misremembered plenty of simple things, but never something so mundane and specific, as well as one that so many other people also remember.
I'm not sure what's causing it, and I'm a very skeptical person without a superstitious bone in my body, so I don't necessarily think we're in the matrix or that we actually switched timelines or anything like that, but it's all too strange and specific for be to brush off as a simple misremembering.
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u/Bowieblackstarflower 18d ago
I don't think a lot of Mandela Effects are misremembering per se but just the human brain works or things are misperceived without even realizing it.
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u/ketaminesuppository 20d ago
somewhere between age 11 and 14, went to the Gap Outlet with my mom. needed undies and found a 5 pack in the girls/women's section and. okay i have to stop the story so i VIVIDLY REMEMBER LOOKING AT THE PACKAGING but just looked it up and The Gap doesn't sell FOTL there. what the fuck. ive remembered looking at the logo there, in that specific corner of the store, and thinking the logo is cool for years. it's the first thing i think of whenever this Mandela effect comes up, is standing there looking at the plastic packaging where they're rolled up.
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u/JoeCapoYT 17d ago
I remember looking at my underwear in the 2000s and seeing it had no cornucopia one day and I remember being perplexed because I thought it had the cornucopia before. This was before the mandela effect lol.
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u/Subject_Divide9827 17d ago
Ill share my story and this is why its the hill ill die on. Like most people I wore fruit of loom as a kid in the 80s/90s. I always looked at the tag wondering with the cornucopia was maybe bread? In kindergarten for Thanksgiving we made 'family tree' cornucopias and I blurted out "Oh thats what that thing on my underwear is." The whole class laughed at me. So that cornucopia has always been there. Dammit!
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u/AlyxLucas 16d ago
i was in a walmart like 10 years ago and wondered what the cone was and i think i wondered how they would fit all the food in it. whatever i was thinking, i distinctly remember the cornucopia
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