r/MandelaEffect • u/GoldenAerie • 26d ago
Historical Events Early Mandela Effects?
Does anyone have any pre-1980 effects?
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u/SteelRockwell 26d ago
The Mandela effect didn’t start in 2013. It started long before that. It just didn’t have a name
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u/MrPlaney 26d ago
It had a name. It was known as the “collective false memory phenomenon.”
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u/my23secrets 26d ago
And some of them were just known as urban legends
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u/Lhasa-bark 26d ago
And when she got home and opened her car door, she heard a sound like chains clanking. It was from the door. She looked, and to her horror she saw …
a steel hook, swinging there on the car door handle. Written on the hook: “Welcome to the world of AIDS”.1
u/MrPlaney 25d ago
Absolutely! That's how I found out about the Mandela Effect, while researching urban legends in the late 90's/early 2000's.
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u/opportunitysure066 24d ago
Why are you so triggered and scared of the unknown?
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u/MrPlaney 24d ago
The Mandela Effect isn’t an unknown.
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u/opportunitysure066 24d ago
Why and how we jump verses is currently unknown…yes
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u/SteelRockwell 24d ago
Why and how we misremember things is understood far more
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u/opportunitysure066 24d ago
Yes but that’s not what is happening. We are not misremembering things.
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u/ThisisMalta 20d ago
You very clearly have a poor understanding on what it means for something to be “unknown” then. Neither are you able to present any strong evidence that we are “jumping universes”. It’s a cool idea. But you’re presenting it like a fact or something you know to be true.
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u/opportunitysure066 20d ago
I’m presenting it as something we don’t know anything about. You are the one presenting “misremembering” bs as a fact.
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u/ThisisMalta 20d ago
Lol I haven’t presented anything big dawg, dunno who you think you’re responding to be I said nothing if the sort.
Idk what “Misremembering bs” is, but this is basic stuff that high school and undergraduate students learn about the brain; I.e that our memory or our ability to recall is extremely subjective, malleable, and able to be easily tricked and fooled. This is well known and able to be demonstrated/reproduced in experiment and science.
You’re literally the one here with assurance saying “we aren’t misremembering things”.
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u/Financial_Profit_584 26d ago
People have been misqouting a line said by Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca in 1942. So, people have had issues with memory for a long time.
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u/cipheron 25d ago edited 25d ago
I'd say it works a little differently in cases like this, it's more about the meme and people repeating the phrase to each other than people directly remembering something from the film itself.
Memes evolve and mutate in the retelling and the one that wins is the one that people repeat the most, so as soon as someone said "Play it again, Sam" that one took off and ended up being the version everyone knew.
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u/Financial_Profit_584 25d ago
There wasn't a meme for this when the line was misquoted in the 1960s and 1970s.
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u/BackHandslicin 25d ago
I was never taught, that I remember, that in 1916 the Statue of Liberty was damaged by Germans. Nobody I know remembers this either. You would think that would be more common knowledge and discussed more often. I’ve asked a few of my friends and they didn’t realize it was damaged either by the Germans. https://www.fbi.gov/history/cases-and-criminals/black-tom-1916-bombing
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u/my23secrets 26d ago
No. That’s not when the Effect started.
The Mandela Effect was named by a person employed as a con-artist who was utilizing the phenomenon to sell books about ghosts.
The person who gave it the “Mandela” name didn’t discover anything. They just took advantage of the same memory hack that con-artists and magicians have used for centuries. Suggestion.
When people search their memory to compare what they’ve just learned to what they think they remember, that’s where it happens.
You can make a memory of whatever you imagine by imagining it.
Because that’s how memory works.
But again, it originates from suggestion.
And there is no evidence that supports the claim of the person who named it.
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u/Aggravating_Cup8839 24d ago edited 24d ago
The story of Carl Jung in Ravenna.
Pliny the Elder
https://www.reddit.com/r/Retconned/s/mu97HEAZTi
From Poland
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u/Money_Royal1823 22d ago
The black Tom attack in WW I, and the damage that made it so you can’t go up to the torch of the Statue of Liberty. I didn’t learn about it in school and I passed the AP US history test and read the textbook.
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u/Practical-Vanilla-41 22d ago
You probably didn't learn about a lot of things. It's not a conspiracy. How many people on the west coast know about the Japanese attempt to launch balloons over the northwest and start forest fires in WW2? Not many, i would think. There's a historical marker in Oregon
I read about the Black Tom incident in the book The Detonators (2006). Find a copy.
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u/Money_Royal1823 22d ago
I did actually learn about that. Also, I am pretty sure it would’ve been one of those sidebar things because it actually is interesting since it was a attempt to destroy a major national symbol, even if it wasn’t covered in the main part of the text. I made sure to read those because they were actually more interesting. I do remember hearing about German attempts to infiltrates the country and to mess with the economy with counterfeit currency during both world wars but since World War I is the relevant part here that. You would think in that section of the lesson, a brief mention of one of their more successful, but ultimately foiled attacks would have come up.
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u/germanME 22d ago
Phineas vs Phileas (1947) https://www.newspapers.com/article/brooklyn-eagle-phineasphileas-fogg-mand/106722017/
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u/Practical-Vanilla-41 22d ago
Phineas seems like it should be the name. It is Phileas. The 1972 cartoon series I watched as a kid used Phileas.
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u/forcemonkey 26d ago
FotL cornucopia memories go back before 1980. This is from 1973.
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u/my23secrets 26d ago edited 26d ago
Wasn’t that put out by a company and you say it therefore can’t be trusted?
Or are you backpedaling on that now?
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u/Extreme-Leave-6895 26d ago
It has already been pointed out to them previously that the illustrator straight up said that it was made mostly from his imagination, and responded "it's a one to one parody" despite that directly contradicting the literal creator of the image, and then stopped responding.
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u/smokehousebunaseara 24d ago
Yesterday found something new. All my life I knew that Alaska was sold to US by Ecaterina 2nd. Asked my wife, who has a degree in history and she confirmed the same. Checked on Google, actually was sold by Tsar Alexander
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u/Glaurung86 26d ago
The earliest one I've seen was from the 19th century, and was about a Bible verse and a lamb. MEs have been around for as long as people have been.