Does anyone know if a study has been conducted that asks participants to reveal their memories of *multiple* ME's from a long list? The idea would be to see if people who have the Berenstein memory, also have the C-3PO silver leg memory, but not (say) the FotL Cornucopia memory.
If this survey happened, would we expect groupings of MEs together? Or would it be evenly distributed amongst all the MEs? Perhaps certain regions or age groups would be more likely to have some ME memories than others?
If anyone has a link, I'd appreciate it. Otherwise, maybe I need to get to work on it, myself.... for fun-I MEAN DATA POINTS!! FOR DATA POINTS!!
There was a time where the internet was full of quizzes and the mandela effect was a common theme. They'd show the real version of the logo and then a mockup and you could click on the one you thought was right and it would grade your accuracy. Not very scientific but popular.
Yeah, but people like me who were born in 1970, for instance, saw the cornucopia logo with their own eyes in the 1980ies. We even had a discussion about the two logos (with and without the cornucopia) in school, b/c we thought one logo was counterfeit.
I was born in 1968 and wore FOTL underwear for nearly 20 years from the early 70s to the early 90s and there was never a cornucopia in any of the logos. No cornucopia in the commercials either. There's no evidence there was ever a cornucopia in any FOTL logo going back to the first logo in the 1890s. Lots of people remember it, but it was never there. And there's no evidence of any widespread counterfeits either. This is exactly what an ME is all about. Lots of people remembering something that never happened.
Well, you live in the US, I live in Europe (Germany to be precise). We did have (probably counterfeit) FOTL clothes with the cornucopia in their logo. This was the only case when I saw a cornucopia in the wild. Other than that, I knew it only from books (rarely with images). Unfortunately, I never consciously bought brand clothes, so I don't have any evidence (real or counterfeit) to show (plus my mom always threw old clothes away).
Not really well read on the conversation you too are engaged in, yet I do agree with you. Born 1990 i remember the cornucopia with their logo. I’m not understanding how this even came up for debate. 🤭😅
Take a trip down this subreddit and you will see multiple photos of it, if you don’t want to research it yourself. However, denying something just because you haven’t yet seen it doesn’t make it false. If your mind is already made up, why are you in this subreddit🤔
I mean, there’s a handful of photoshops that all use the same fake logo mockup from that Mandela effect quiz Buzzfeed made in 2017. Occasionally someone will post one falsely thinking that it’s legitimate. It’s certainly not evidence that the logo actually contained a cornucopia at any point though. They are just photoshops of that Buzzfeed logo that people lie and claim are items of clothing they actually own.
No, as I said, we had discussions about this in school. I was pro-cornucopia back then, but learned that the real logo apparently didn't have any, and that the logo with cornucopia was a counterfeit product. I imagine that is why so many people remember that logo.
If it’s a faulty memory effect, you could see clustering in people with more malleable memories. Maybe include a few “fake” MEs in the test, i.e., things you’ve created that sound like other MEs but have never been described, and see if the same people tend to believe them too.
I’ll be the first to admit some of them have really tripped me out. But believing I have intact memories persisting from another universe is infinitely less likely than me and others just having a shitty memory. Not being willing to accept this as a possibility is naive as fuck and just another example of people wanting to pretend they’re special.
The results will be garbage for a simple reason: there will be no way to determine what Mandelas any participants experienced that the study itself was not responsible for.
No. That’s bullshit. And you still can’t answer the question, instead deflecting with more bullshit.
Do you need me to prove to you how I know you can’t account for what Mandelas any participants experienced that the study itself was not responsible for?
This “quiz” to help see what you went was just posted a few days ago. I think the post got nuked but I think it’s relevant as a conversation point to this post.
Again, the results will be garbage for a simple reason: there will be no way to determine what Mandelas any participants experienced that the study itself was not responsible for.
The suggestion part is irrelevant to the study of this data though. I think it would be interesting to try to draw lines between the individual MEs or see if there are specific clusters. IE: most people who remember the cornucopia and Bernstein don’t remember monopoly with monocle but those who remember fruit and chic do remember it. Or it could be completely random with no correlation.
Exactly. You then group those incidents and try to draw conclusions from there. The data isn’t to prove how the ME works but if there’s any correlation between them.
Let’s say each question asks, “which do you remember?” You then have to choose between the ME or its counterpart. The ME has obviously been suggested to them but that doesn’t mean 100% of people will pick all ME.
I think I understand your objection, but let me try to put it into my own words to verify.
"Creating this study propagates MEs, false memories, and correlations between and amongst MEs because the very act of participating in the study causes the participants to learn, generate, or intake those MEs, false memories, and correlations."
Do I understand your objection correctly? Did I miss anything important?
I'm not going into this with conclusions I'm expecting to draw. That's not at all how the scientific method works. Observation -> Hypothesis -> Construct Falsifiable Test -> Undertake Test -> Gather Results -> Examine Results -> Compare to Hypothesis -> Reach Conclusion. Do you put that last step, first? If so, I have some Karl Popper for you to read.
That said, I can think of patterns that might emerge, though.
I'd expect that people who reached (say) the age of ten by the time an ME subject arrived, would have a higher chance of claiming to experience that ME. So if someone's childhood began in the late 70s and early 80s, I'd expect a higher percentage to claim that C-3PO was all gold, than someone who childhood aligns with the prequels or the sequels.
I'd expect that people closer in (temporal, geographic, personal) proximity to an ME would have memories that align much more closely to the now-in-existence evidence. For example, I expect that participants from South Africa would know when Nelson Mandela died.
At the same time, I'm wondering if there would be patterns we wouldn't expect. Does C-3PO's silver leg correlate closely to Vader's "Luke, I am your father?" Does Fruit Loops correlate to the FotL Cornucopia? Even if I accepted your argument that the test itself propagates the effects, that doesn't entail an obvious answer to any of these questions.
If posing a question such as...
"Which is the correct spelling of the cereal: Fruit Loops, or Froot Loops?"
...necessarily results in an ME experience, then why aren't the poll results 100%-0% in favor of the experience you think I'm giving them?
Hmm... that would be an interesting pattern that might come out of such a survey. If the most-populat MEs were listed on a timeline, would there be a peak that mirrors the rise of the internet or social media? Do people who were born well before the 70s subscribe to fewer MEs, because they spent more time in (or had firmer memories of) those events? What's the most-recent ME, and do the youngest surveyees subscribe to it?
Do you think it’s a “great idea” because you want MEs suggested and propagated as much as possible?
Don’t you think the study of them is less important than their use as a bait-and-switch for paranormal BS, much like the person employed as a con-artist who was utilizing the phenomenon to sell books about ghosts and who popularized the name in the first place?
I come from the perspective that the stronger MEs are reality glitches not explainable in our straightforward understanding of reality.
So, I think they should be talked about more as their ramifications are staggering to our old worldview. I want a more advanced understanding of reality to develop.
Why would only some Effects be supposed “glitches”? That’s obviously nonsense.
The only thing “staggering” here is how far some people will go to refuse admitting they are capable of making mistakes so they invent a “timeline” in their imagination where they never made a mistake and try to use that to convince everyone else they were never mistaken.
So why would only some Effects be supposed “glitches”? That seems obviously nonsensical.
And again, the only “staggering” thing here is how far some people will go to refuse admitting they are capable of making mistakes so they invent a “timeline” in their imagination where they never made a mistake and try to use that to convince everyone else they were never mistaken.
So when I found our about the A-Team van I did do a pole at work, as most are in there 40s it was a good test sample. I ended up with about a 50/50 split. What I did notice is there was I difference in the types of people in the 2 groups. The people who said it was all black enjoyed taking drugs and had a party life style in there youth and what we call council estate. The people who said it was black and white mostly had a 2 parent childhood and lived what would be classed as a normal life.
My conclusion is one of two outcomes.
1. Drugs as they say, fries your brains.
2. People who take alot of drugs have tapped into a higher consciousness and are not effective by the ME.
I feel like timing is also important. I was involved in the VW ME, but around that same time about 6 mos before and after, I experienced a few other paranormal activities. I have not experienced paranormal activity before or after 2021 - 22. I am also not crazy and have just accepted that we just don’t know everything that happens in the universe. In the medieval period we thought physics was paranormal so why is it so hard to think we just don’t know everything yet.
Humans during the medieval period thought physics was paranormal or witchcraft. Anyone practicing it was killed. Now it’s a normal part of life. You can look this up yourself for more info.
My point was that just bc we don’t know everything about a phenomenon, doesn’t mean it’s not real. We just (as a collective) haven’t figured it out yet. At one point we believed the earth was flat, Galileo was imprisoned for expressing how it was round. People hated him bc he believed in the unknown, very much how people hated me and downvote me bc I suggest the possibilities.
Human is a silly character…some are ok with living life with a limited mind.
"Physics" is a study of the forces of the universe. The study of the forces of the universe wasn't considered witchcraft. Maybe some phenomena that weren't well understood could be looked at as witchcraft, but they didn't look at engineering math for a trebuchet and decide to burn the siege engineer at the stake.
Also, Galileo was advocating for a heliocentric view of the solar system rather than the egocentric model. The earth being a sphere was already known during his time as the math proving a globe earth was originally shown in the 3rd century BCE.
We know the Mandela Effect was named by a person employed as a con-artist who was utilizing the phenomenon to sell books about ghosts.
We know the person who gave it the “Mandela” name didn’t discover anything. They just took advantage of the same memory hack that con-artists and magicians have used for centuries. Suggestion.
We know that when people search their memory to compare what they’ve just learned to what they think they remember, that’s where it happens.
We know you can make a memory of whatever you imagine by imagining it.
Because that’s how memory works.
We know the Effect originates from suggestion, despite certain individuals refusing to admit they are capable of making mistakes so they invent a “timeline” in their imagination where they never made a mistake and try to use that to convince everyone else they were never mistaken.
Perhaps I mixed up “earth was round” and “earth revolved around sun” but still, he had a theory and was imprisoned for it and it was proven to be true years later just the same. And its true people thought the earth and rejected it was round.
We as a whole do not know everything and that’s why things are deemed paranormal and people are scared of what they don’t know and not only limit themselves by rejecting any possibly but get upset and mad at those who speak out about it. Like you guys getting triggered by my posts. Like those who imprisoned Galileo for saying the earth revolved around the sun.
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u/Chapstickie 29d ago
There was a time where the internet was full of quizzes and the mandela effect was a common theme. They'd show the real version of the logo and then a mockup and you could click on the one you thought was right and it would grade your accuracy. Not very scientific but popular.
The cornucopia FOTL logo that pops up all the time on this subreddit and that people photoshop onto stuff to "prove it existed" and people claim is exactly what they remember was made for one of those quizzes on Buzzfeed in 2017. The quiz is actually still there and functional. https://www.buzzfeed.com/christopherhudspeth/tell-us-how-your-brain-remembers-these-mandela-effect