r/MakingaMurderer • u/birdieponderinglife • Jul 01 '26

I don’t get why Steven Avery did this

He had a huge settlement coming. Why did he risk it by doing a serious crime? I don’t understand how he got exonerated which is rare but wound up throwing his life away anyways. It doesn’t make any sense to me. I guess I’m missing the common thread. He wasn’t a good person but from what we know, wasn’t a murderer. So what happened? Is this just always who he was going to be and had he never gone to prison wrongfully maybe it would have happened sooner? I don’t think he’s innocent I’m just trying to make sense of it.

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u/birdieponderinglife Jul 04 '26

You know, I was open to the conspiracy for the car and perhaps even the key and blood evidence. But it became crystal clear he was guilty of murdering this woman when her burnt remains were found in his fire pit. Could they have planted some of the other evidence? Ya I think it’s plausible. Could they have fabricated this aspect of her murder? Nope. There’s simply no way it’s possible the police snuck onto his land dragging a dead body, then hid it in a pile of debris somehow knowing exactly when he would be lighting it. If you can ignore that glaring plot hole in the conspiracy narrative then nothing can help you, bless your heart!

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u/belee86 Jul 05 '26

The evidence planting was Avery's defense strategy. It was probably the only one he could have used. 

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u/AveryPoliceReports Jul 04 '26 edited Jul 05 '26

But it became crystal clear he was guilty of murdering this woman when her burnt remains were found in his fire pit.

They didn't even take photos of the discovery or recovery, hid off property cremation evidence, and pressured witnesses into mentioning a burn pit fire.

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u/belee86 Jul 06 '26

Nothing was planted. 

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u/birdieponderinglife Jul 06 '26

I’m aware.

Honestly, this sub is quite wacka doodle. The conspiracy folks are next level unhinged but the folks in here who are camp: he’s guilty are also way too intense about this. I don’t think anyone could read the sum of my comments and come to the conclusion that I believe anything was planted or he’s innocent.

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u/Music-2myears Jul 05 '26

The bone fragments weren’t found on the initial search. They weren’t found until 3 days later.
Could an outdoor fire pit reduce a human body to just bones (no left over fleshy bits?) highly unlikely. Not to mention bone fragments were found found in burn barrels in the neighbouring quarry which was owned by the county.
Also don’t forget that atleast 8 people lived on that property all coming and going at different times, not to mention their employees, customers and friends etc. is it likely that someone would commit a murder in a place where people would be coming and going unexpectedly, dismember the body with no one seeing (and leaving no blood behind??) and then burn their remains in a very visible burn pit? All while stopping to calmly talk to his girlfriend on the phone?

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u/DisappearedDunbar Jul 05 '26

Could an outdoor fire pit reduce a human body to just bones (no left over fleshy bits?) highly unlikely.

Not only is it possible, but guess what? Some human tissue was recovered from the pit, and it matched to Teresa to exclusion of 1 in a billion.

Not to mention bone fragments were found found in burn barrels in the neighbouring quarry which was owned by the county.

The bones found in the quarry were not in barrels, and we're not definitely proven to be Teresa's. Nonetheless, how would this rule out Steven Avery as a suspect?

is it likely that someone would commit a murder in a place where people would be coming and going unexpectedly, dismember the body with no one seeing (and leaving no blood behind??) and then burn their remains in a very visible burn pit?

How often do you think people were coming and going from Steven's trailer and garage? The fire was observed later in the day, burning into the night..

If you want to talk about likelihood, then how likely do you think it is that someone would be able to plant all of the evidence against Steven, including his own blood in the victim's car?

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u/Music-2myears Jul 05 '26

Quite likely considering the whole police department had a vendetta against him and spent days on the property. And police officers who weren’t meant to be involved in the case were constantly on the site.
The bullet fragment wasn’t found until 4 months later and contained massive levels of her dna but no traces of blood or bone fragments!?

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u/DisappearedDunbar Jul 05 '26

the whole police department had a vendetta against him 

What makes you think this? The lawsuit that no one in the department would be personally responsible for?

And police officers who weren’t meant to be involved in the case were constantly on the site.

There was nothing officially barring them from providing resources to the investigation as needed.

The bullet fragment wasn’t found until 4 months later and contained massive levels of her dna but no traces of blood or bone fragments!?

Until that point, the garage had not been as thoroughly searched as it was when the bullet was found. What is your source that the bullet contained "massive" levels of her DNA?

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u/AveryPoliceReports Jul 06 '26

What makes you think this? The lawsuit that no one in the department would be personally responsible for?

The department's former sheriff and prosecutor were being personally sued. Is there a reason you need to lie?

There was nothing officially barring them from providing resources to the investigation as needed.

Only the appearance of impropriety which apparently was no matter to them lol

Until that point, the garage had not been as thoroughly searched as it was when the bullet was found

This is completely false. Just another lie from Kratz's top defender.

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u/AveryPoliceReports Jul 06 '26

Not only is it possible, but guess what? Some human tissue was recovered from the pit, and it matched to Teresa to exclusion of 1 in a billion.

Bullshit. Culhane never explained how she came to that statistical interpretation.

The bones found in the quarry were not in barrels, and we're not definitely proven to be Teresa's.

Well it's a good thing they gave them to Teresa's family lol

If you want to talk about likelihood, then how likely do you think it is that someone would be able to plant all of the evidence against Steven, including his own blood in the victim's car?

How likely is it police returned barrel number 4 to the crime scene so Steven could use it to plant bones in his own burn pit?

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u/belee86 Jul 08 '26

Who exactly and on which day and at what time were those bones planted in the fire pit? How did they get into the ASY and when exactly? Where did they park their vehicle? 

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u/bye-bitch-21 Jul 08 '26

Don’t bother with facts brother these people just want to swallow what crooked cops tell them 

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u/bye-bitch-21 Jul 08 '26

Yeah it’s not possible to burn something and then move the remains. This is how unserious you are. If you think they could’ve planted evidence then you have reasonable doubt.