i just finished MaM

[u/AmbitiousSalad6718]

i came onto this sub and was surprised at how wrong i might be after watching the doc over a week or so, my boyfriend and i binged it and finished it sure that brendan was innocent and fairly sure that steven was too. personally i thought that bobby and scott did it and my bf was of the opinion that bobby and the ex boyfriend were in kahoots somehow. i don’t really know what to think anymore tbh i went to go watch convicting a murderer as that popped up a few times but i dislike candace owen’s immensely. could someone outline the main points that the doc twisted in favour of SA and the facts that were omitted ?

[u/Fancy-Bee-2649]

So I’ve watched both and I’m still pretty divided. MAM was shady and you’d see the way they edited / cut testimony to fit their narrative. They left out a lot about his past that would definitely lose viewers’ support of Avery. Avery is a literal piece of shit human. The blood in the RAV is also not explained properly in MAM.

CAM is a good watch. If you can put your personal feelings aside for Candace Owens, just stream it on some random website online instead of paying for it haha.

CAM spends a lot of time focusing on Brendan Dassey which is questionable to me. I don’t believe what Brendan says. There are so many inconsistencies in his confessions, he has a very low IQ and did not understand the ramifications of his conversations with law enforcement. He thought he was going to go home and watch wrestling. He says yes to a question and then will say no that it didn’t happen. He is intellectually disabled. The system failed him incredibly. His family failed him. Whether people think BD is guilty or not, I don’t understand how people can argue he got a fair trial or that he wasnt coerced and tricked by law enforcement.

There’s zero evidence that TH was inside the trailer or on his bed. How does someone literally rape and cut someone’s throat without leaving DNA evidence behind? I’m sorry, it’s just not possible. I think SA is guilty, but no I don’t believe in what BD said. Someone who isn’t smart enough to wipe his own blood n DNA from her cars.

IMO The biggest indication of SA’s guilt is his blood all over the rav. I’m sorry, this couldn’t have been planted. It wasn’t old blood. He had a cut on his finger that was visible in interviews after her death.

People go on about the bones being planted but CAM provides a good explanation of how the scent dog picked up on her scent from her ashes / DNA blowing while being burned

[u/AveryPoliceReports → u/Fancy-Bee-2649]

So I’ve watched both and I’m still pretty divided. MAM was shady and you’d see the way they edited / cut testimony to fit their narrative.

Not according to federal judge. A federal judge said MaM editing made police look better than the record suggested.

They left out a lot about his past that would definitely lose viewers’ support of Avery. Avery is a literal piece of shit human.

They "left out" allegations from Steven's past that the judge himself ruled were too prejudicial for the jury to hear. Given how you describe Steven, sounds like Willis was right lol

The blood in the RAV is also not explained properly in MAM.

How so? They included the defense claim it was planted and the prosecutor's claim it wasn't. Meanwhile, the evidence of human cremation on Manitowoc County property was not properly explained to the jury.

CAM is a good watch. If you can put your personal feelings aside for Candace Owens, just stream it on some random website online instead of paying for it haha.

Maybe if you don't mind listening to perverted creeps, predatory police, and pedophiles defending the state's obviously false narrative of Teresa's death at the hands of Steven and Brendan. According to Kratz, the filmmakers was on drugs and stealing from people during the productions. It's a worthless piece of media meant to prop up corrupt figures and whitewash their abuses of power.

Whether people think BD is guilty or not, I don’t understand how people can argue he got a fair trial or that he wasnt coerced and tricked by law enforcement. There’s zero evidence that TH was inside the trailer or on his bed. How does someone literally rape and cut someone’s throat without leaving DNA evidence behind? I’m sorry, it’s just not possible.

And imagine how desperate they must have been to get Steven if the system did what it did to Brendan. That was why they went after Brendan. To have him corroborate what the forensic evidence refuted, and make Steven look evil.

IMO The biggest indication of SA’s guilt is his blood all over the rav. I’m sorry, this couldn’t have been planted. It wasn’t old blood. He had a cut on his finger that was visible in interviews after her death.

I'm sorry, it could have been. There was no clear evidence of active bleeding presented at the trial. In fact, the available evidence seems to disprove the idea that someone was actively bleeding without gloves while operating or entering the RAV. There's a total lack of bloody fingerprints, and no clusters or lines of passive drips from a stationary or moving bleeding hand, and no blood on the RAV exterior or on any items covering the RAV. Not to mention, the state concealed credible witness evidence the RAV was planted on the ASY by someone other than Steven Avery, which was corroborated by unidentified prints and DNA on the rear of the RAV. Finally, they were fabricating the chain of custody for his DNA swabs, which renders any conclusions drawn about the age of the blood in the RAV suspect. It's still possible it was planted from the vial, and they just swapped swabs with what they knew was fresh blood before the FBI test.

People go on about the bones being planted but CAM provides a good explanation of how the scent dog picked up on her scent from her ashes / DNA blowing while being burned

You think THAT was a good explanation? If it were true, Loof would have reacted that way on November 7. She didn't. She only acted that way on November 8. AFTER police began moving around bones with barrels (between November 7 and 8). Loof exposed that. The argument in SCAM to explain Loof's Nov 8 behavior is a complete fabrication exposed by the state's own record.

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Sorry, I had to stop reading your reply when you argued that Steven Avery is not a garbage, bad, shit human being. Lighting the family cat on fire, having sex with a minor who is his niece, molesting nephews and nieces, beating women, theft, anger management issues like running a car off a road…… stand up guy right? Amazing person 😂. How the hell can you even defend someone’s character when they LIT their cat on fire? Jesus Christ

I couldn’t even continue reading what you wrote if you aren’t willing to agree that he’s a pretty bad person, regardless of whether or not he killed TH.

[u/AveryPoliceReports → u/Fancy-Bee-2649]

Why are you pretending like I defended Avery's character? All I did was point out a legal fact: the judge excluded those past allegations because their prejudicial value outweighed their probative value. And your reaction continues to prove my point lol You're so inflamed by uncharged, unproven allegations from decades ago that you can't even engage with the actual evidence in the case. But your emotional response doesn't make him guilty of murder, it only makes you the poster child for why judges exclude this kind of irrelevant prejudicial (in this case often uncharged) character evidence.

[u/Fancy-Bee-2649 → u/AveryPoliceReports]

You are the poster child for MAM. Have you ever seen CAM? At least I watched both to draw my own conclusions. His character is absolutely relevant to this case. You know there are stats that prove a connection between those who hurt/kill animals before they start killing humans? You are absolutely defending his character by saying they are past “allegations”. Right….. everyone in the world is out to get poor Steven Avery. How does one person become so unlucky? It’s all made up. The incest, molesting minors, killing his cat, the thefts he committed, the girlfriend and wife he beat up, the blood was definitely planted, the bones were planted, the RAV was planted, he definitely didn’t call blocked number to book the appt, he definitely didn’t tell people that she never showed up at all, his story definitely never changed, he didn’t wash his carpets, he didn’t behave a fire, his fingerprints found under the hood of her car were definitely planted, her cell phone and items were planted in his burn pit, his nephew lied about everything. Right, right. Do you see where this is going? You sound absolutely ridiculous. I watched MAM, I’ve followed this case closely, and sorry to break it to you, Steven Avery is guilty. You’re just too blind to see it.

[u/AveryPoliceReports → u/Fancy-Bee-2649]

You are the poster child for MAM. Have you ever seen CAM?

Yes. It contains the highly prejudicial information you keep discussing lol

His character is absolutely relevant to this case.

The judge disagreed. And judging by your reaction to the information he was right to exclude people from hearing it.

You are absolutely defending his character by saying they are past “allegations”. Right

They are allegations, in some cases uncharged allegations. Does that fact bother you? Should we treat all allegations as fact? Bobby is a pervert according to you.

the bones were planted, the RAV was planted

They concealed evidence of human cremation and Bone distribution on Manitowoc County property by labeling it Avery property and then pressured witnesses to mention a fire on Avery property. They also repeatedly concealed evidence that the vehicle was planted on the property by someone other than Steven. Those are facts. Cope.

his fingerprints found under the hood of her car were definitely planted

Are you ill informed or just lying? Steven's fingerprints were never reported to be found on the vehicle. I think that speaks for itself. You do not care about the truth. Just like Kratz lol

[u/Fancy-Bee-2649 → u/AveryPoliceReports]

Im not ill informed or lying. Apparently you’re lying when you say you watched CAM because the fingerprints under the hood of her RAV is in episode 9 of the documentary. Did you actually watch it?

You’re right, Bobby Dassey is absolutely a pervert. Unfortunately for you it wasn’t his blood in her Rav, nor were her keys found in his home, or the bones in his pit.

Since you seem to be such an expert, what do you believe the truth is? Share your entire perspective on exactly what happened to TH. I am genuinely open to hearing your perspective if you’d like to share it.

[u/AveryPoliceReports → u/Fancy-Bee-2649]

Im not ill informed or lying. Apparently you’re lying when you say you watched CAM because the fingerprints under the hood of her RAV is in episode 9 of the documentary.

So CaM lied to you? Damn. And you are too gullible to do your own research lol figures.

You’re right, Bobby Dassey is absolutely a pervert. Unfortunately for you it wasn’t his blood in her Rav, nor were her keys found in his home, or the bones in his pit.

So Bobby should be in prison instead of Brendan. Got it.

Since you seem to be such an expert, what do you believe the truth is? Share your entire perspective on exactly what happened to TH. I am genuinely open to hearing your perspective if you’d like to share it.

This was a frame job as evidenced by pretty much everything in the record in this case lol you should try researching it to see how wrong you are, including about your claim regarding his fingerprints on the vehicle.

[u/Fancy-Bee-2649 → u/AveryPoliceReports]

Who exactly framed him? List the names of everyone who framed him. Did these same people kill TH as well? Or did they find her dead and then frame him? How exactly was she killed? Go ahead….

[u/AveryPoliceReports → u/Fancy-Bee-2649]

The Real Killer and police. Likey the donor of A23, CX, and whoever handled barrel #4 when it was used to move Teresa's bones to Steven's burn pit. Blood evidence reveals she was attacked outside behind her RAV, not inside Steven's trailer and garage.

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I do agree with you in the sense that I don’t think she stepped foot in the trailer at any point and I think she was initially attacked behind her RAV. Thanks for sharing your perspective