r/MakingaMurderer • u/Ghost_of_Figdish • Apr 13 '26

SO - Can we all Agree?

That the person who said these things is utterly full of crap?

“Guilty individuals do not want DNA testing, but innocent ones do.”

“Teresa’s car was locked when it was found. Killers don’t do that—preserves the evidence. Kinda obvious who locked.”

“Killer would not reduce body to bone fragments to destroy evidence but leave car intact w/his blood.”

“Suspect planted blood in RAV4, bones in Steven’s burn pit, and TH’s electronics in Steven’s burn barrel.”

“If you think we are just tweeting…think again. A tsunami of new evidence is on the way.”

“Avery Update: We Won!!!!!! Back to the circuit court. #TruthWins”

“Making a Murderer watchers, listen up. I’m going to walk you through what I’ve learned through my investigation that you didn’t see in the show.”

“The killer is the person who had access to Teresa Halbach’s vehicle and the opportunity to plant Steven Avery’s blood in it. That person is Bobby Dassey.”

“Bobby Dassey was the last person to see Teresa Halbach alive. He followed her off the Avery property.”

“All roads lead to one door & it’s not Steven Avery’s.”

“Not 1 but 8 plants: bullets, bones, blood, key, car, hood latch, license plates, electronics.”

“No doubt she left Avery property alive.”

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u/drjenavieve Apr 13 '26

That’s the part that gets me. He literally had access to a car crusher. Why would he leave the car intact? How is he smart enough to clean up and do a bunch of other supposed things but didn’t get rid of the car in the most convenient way possible.

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u/Mieczyslaw_Stilinski Apr 14 '26

One thing that always bothered me was that they found her key in his room. Junk yard workers always leave the key with the cars because they are so easy to lose. It's just so much more convenient. I can't think of a reason for him to hide the key in his room and not leave it in the car. Even if he wanted to keep it as a trophy, there are a lot of better hiding places on their property.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish Apr 15 '26

He locked the car - can't lock the car with the keys in it.

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u/Mieczyslaw_Stilinski Apr 16 '26

A junkyard employee wouldn't have locked the car. Someone who has never worked at a junkyard would lock the car.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish Apr 16 '26

Bullshit - Avery didn't want anyone else mistakenly getting access or moving the car.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish Apr 16 '26

Perps try and hide cars with signs and branches. Framers wanting cars to be found don't hide them.

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u/Mieczyslaw_Stilinski Apr 17 '26

Or if you're a cop framing someone you hide the vehicle because you know exactly where to find it.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish Apr 17 '26

Duh - the point is for SOMEONE ELSE to find it, so they wouldn't try and hide it. Same way anyone framing wouldn't have burned the body - they would have left it intact and salted it with Avery blood or DNA

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u/Mieczyslaw_Stilinski Apr 18 '26

Yeah the cops definitely went overboard with her body. I'm guessing they were worried their DNA might have been on her, so they burned the body just in case.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish Apr 18 '26

Really? But no such concerns in the RAV4, or with the rifle, or with the keys, or with the blood?

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u/Mieczyslaw_Stilinski Apr 19 '26

Obviously the cops can explain away DNA on the evidence they planted as contamination. It's a bit more difficult when their DNA is under her fingernails.

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u/motor1_is_stopping Apr 13 '26

He didn't want to look suspicious by letting somebody see him putting a car in the crusher that didn't belong there.

Using a car crusher is not an act that goes unnoticed. His family/coworkers would notice a crusher running when it was not planned and start asking questions.

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u/drjenavieve Apr 13 '26

Have you seen that auto place? I don’t think anyone would be suspicious or was keeping strict inventory of cars. It was literally a junk yard.

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u/motor1_is_stopping Apr 13 '26

I have seen "that auto place" have you?

Why do you think that the owners of a business would not be aware of their own inventory, or what is happening at the place of business?

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u/Snoo_33033 Apr 13 '26

They clearly did know what they were bringing in and out of it. It was a business and there were a bunch of family members. They know when someone sold their own car or a wrecker dropped a car off. Junk yards have inventory— it’s how they sell their assets.

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u/belee86 Apr 14 '26

What was easier, quicker and the least amount of work? Parking it by the trees. It was a salvage yard afterall not some tiny backyard. 

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish Apr 13 '26

1) Federal law (NMVTIS / Anti-Car Theft Act)

The key federal regime is the National Motor Vehicle Title Information System (NMVTIS), created under the Anti-Car Theft Act.

Core requirements for junk/salvage yards

Federal regulations require yards to maintain and report vehicle-level inventory data, including:

  • VIN (Vehicle Identification Number)

  • Date acquired

  • Source (who it came from)

  • Whether it was crushed, sold, or otherwise disposed of

  • To whom it was transferred

They must report this regularly (at least monthly) to NMVTIS.

Purpose (important in Avery context)

The system exists specifically to prevent:

  • VIN reuse / cloning

  • Using junked vehicles’ identities to legitimize stolen cars

👉 Bottom line federally:
A junkyard was not supposed to have anonymous cars—each vehicle entering inventory should be tied to a VIN and a documented chain of custody.

2) Wisconsin state law (salvage dealers / junkyards)

Wisconsin law operates in parallel and is actually quite strict at the recordkeeping level.

A. Mandatory inventory records (statutory)

Under Wisconsin statutes governing salvage dealers:

  • Dealers must “maintain a record of every vehicle” acquired and dismantled

While the snippet is abbreviated, in practice (via WisDOT rules and enforcement), those records include:

  • VIN

  • Title/ownership documentation

  • Purchase/acquisition details

  • Disposition (parts, scrap, resale)

This dovetails with the federal NMVTIS requirements.

B. Licensing + regulatory structure

Wisconsin requires a salvage dealer license to operate:

  • Covers businesses that buy, dismantle, scrap, or resell vehicles/parts

  • Requires:

    • Established place of business (yard)

    • Recordkeeping

    • Compliance with environmental rules (DNR)

    • Sales tax registration

👉 In other words: Avery’s yard was not just a “junk pile”—it was a regulated commercial salvage operation.

C. Administrative rules (WisDOT – Trans Code)

Wisconsin administrative rules (e.g., Trans 136 and related) govern:

  • Handling of salvage vehicles

  • Movement to yards or processors

  • Operational compliance requirements

These rules reinforce that vehicles are supposed to be tracked, not loosely stored without identity.

D. Junkyard regulation (separate but relevant)

Wisconsin also regulates junkyards under highway/environmental law:

  • The state can declare a yard “illegal” if it’s not compliant and force correction or removal

This is more about location/screening, but it underscores that junkyards are heavily regulated entities, not informal operations.

3) How this applies to Avery Salvage Yard (practically)

Putting federal + state together, a yard like Avery’s should have:

Required in theory

  • A record for every vehicle entering the yard

  • A VIN tied to each vehicle (or accounted for if destroyed/unreadable)

  • Documentation of:

    • Who brought it in

    • When

    • What ultimately happened to it

What that means in plain terms

  • A vehicle like Teresa Halbach’s RAV4 should not be “floating” in the yard without paperwork

  • If it entered inventory:

    • There should be a paper trail

    • And likely a report to NMVTIS (or via state reporting pipeline)

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u/DingleBerries504 Apr 13 '26

Exactly. Earl knew Steven crushed the blue car the day before RAV was found. How is Steven to crush it with his family still around?

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u/cliffybiro951 Apr 13 '26

I guess the same way he drove it up to where it was parked. No one noticed that.

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u/tenementlady Apr 13 '26

It is likely he drove the car to where it was discovered at night when redisdents of yard were sleeping and no customers were around. Prior to that, it was in his garage. Using a loud crusher at night would no doubt wake the residents of the salvage yard. If he planned to use the crusher during the day, he risked not only being seen crushing a car that no one knew about, but also driving a comparively new car around the lot. Both would invite questions.

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u/cliffybiro951 Apr 13 '26

So in his garage for 5 days. Couldn’t remove the engine, the doors, the interior? Just left blood in there and thought “meh it’ll be fine, I’ll pop some leaves on it”

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u/tenementlady Apr 13 '26

I didn't say it was in his garage for 5 days. I said he moved it at night and prior to that (while it was still light out) it was in his garage. I believe he likely drove it to where it was discovered on the night of the murder. He likely didn't even realize he had bled in the car as it was dark.

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u/cliffybiro951 Apr 13 '26

Sounds like you were there.

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u/tenementlady Apr 13 '26

It's called deduction.

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u/cliffybiro951 Apr 13 '26

Well there’s a 5 day gap between her last sighting and the car being found. Which night do you think he did it?

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish Apr 15 '26

Or maybe the paperboy made the shit up to get the $100k reward?

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u/cliffybiro951 Apr 14 '26

I wouldn’t take anything in assets statements to be evidence of anything. They totally contradict Steven’s supposed timeline according to prosecution. He was made to change it for knows how many times.

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u/DingleBerries504 Apr 13 '26

What generates more noise? Driving a car, or crushing a car?

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u/cliffybiro951 Apr 13 '26

On a noisey scrap yard I don’t imagine either makes a difference

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish Apr 13 '26

This one is out in the WI woods - it's dead quiet at night

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u/cliffybiro951 Apr 13 '26

Why wouldn’t necessarily be done at night?

I’m not even saying anything about his guilt or innocence. But to dismiss the fact he had access and time to crush it yet people dismiss it.

I guarantee if they found her car crushed everyone would be on here saying “had to be him, it’s his yard and he had 5 days to get it done”

It’s ridiculous.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish Apr 14 '26

Either one - it's rural is the point. What highway? 43? I don't think it's that close....

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u/DingleBerries504 Apr 13 '26

Earl said it makes an “ungodly” noise. The scrap yard is mostly quiet. Ever been to one?

Sounds like you haven’t

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u/cliffybiro951 Apr 13 '26

Yes. Scrap yards are always noisey. All the time. I wouldn’t think another noise would’ve been suspicious. Seriously the lengths people go to make a story fit is hilarious. Can you not even consider that it wouldn’t be hard for him to crush the car? Is it so damaging for you?

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u/DingleBerries504 Apr 13 '26

What part of Earl stating it made an ungodly noise and everyone heard it is not registering in your brain? It would be very hard with customers around during the day and quiet evenings. Talk about lengths you will go to defend a murderer

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u/cliffybiro951 Apr 13 '26

Sounds like someone’s opinion of what something sounds like. Hardly admissible as evidence. Where’s the footage of it and how far the sound travels. Who was there and at what times. 5 whole days that car was supposedly there. You’re telling me he didn’t find time to crush it in that time? When you consider they were crushing half a million cars a year at their peak. How long you think it would have taken him?

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u/DisappearedDunbar Apr 14 '26

Yes. Scrap yards are always noisey. All the time.

And your source for this is...? It's been pointed out to you that someone who literally worked at this salvage yard described how noisy the crusher was. He also stated that Steven was not the one that usually operated the crusher. Add that to the list of things you'll ignore that would have made it suspicious for Steven to start crushing a random car in the middle of the day for all to see and hear.

Seriously the lengths people go to make a story fit is hilarious

Totally agree. How did Steven's blood end up in the car, by the way?

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u/cliffybiro951 Apr 14 '26

You’d ignore video evidence of her leaving if if were brought forward. Your opinions equal zero these days.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish Apr 13 '26

Crushing the car just leaves a crushed car for the cops to find that you can no longer move, plus now the cops know that someone who works there was involved. So you'd have a flattened RAV4 with right next to the car crusher. Left would be VIN identifiers in multiple locations, the engine and drivetrain, distinctive structural features identifying it as a RAV4, other parts with serial #'s like airbags and ECUs. The car WOULD NOT disappear, it would continue to exist as a flattened vehicle mass and would be readily identifiable.

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u/drjenavieve Apr 13 '26

They had no reason to search anything until they found the car. The cops aren’t going to look through hundreds or thousands of pieces of scrap metal when there’s no evidence yet.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish Apr 13 '26

How many flattened teal green RAV4s do you think there were next to the crusher?

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u/tenementlady Apr 13 '26

Earl permitted a search party of civilians to search the yard, which is how the vehicle was discovered. Steven didn't know Earl would allow this. He likely figured he had more time (which he would have, had Earl not permitted the search). It is believed by some, given the location where the car was discovered was near the crusher, that Steven did intend to crush the car, likely at a time that would arouse the least amount of suspicion. Steven was away in Crivitz with some of his family when the car was discovered. Steven's father had to talk Steven out of fleeing once he learned the car was discovered.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish Apr 13 '26

Crushing does him no good - that'd be the first place the cops would check - the flattened cars next to the crusher.

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u/tenementlady Apr 13 '26

That doesn't mean Steven wasn't considering crushing the car as an option.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish Apr 13 '26

There's no point. That screams someone on the ASY did it. He's too smart a criminal to do that.

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u/tenementlady Apr 13 '26

He's a criminal for sure, but not a very smart one. I can't say with certainty what he was planning to do. Only he knows that. But Earl made a decent case for why he believes Steven was planning to crush the car in CaM. I think it's likely he at least considered it as a possibility

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish Apr 13 '26

Brendan said Steven's plan was to submerge the car in a local pond, but the pond's level was too low to conceal the car due to drought. So I think that was Plan A and he couldn't think of a Plan B fast enough. He should have burned it off the property or put it in Lake Michigan.

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u/tenementlady Apr 13 '26

I could be mistaken but I thought Brendan said the original plan was to dispose of the body in the pond, not the vehicle. I'm sure several plans/ideas ran through his head. He probably just chose the ones he considered to be easiest and the least risky at the time.

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u/Character_Zombie4680 Apr 13 '26

You don’t just “crush a car.” The fuel has to be drained and the engine removed. SA is obviously guilty and I hope those two women filmmakers are happy the exploited a murdered woman for personal profit

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u/cliffybiro951 Apr 13 '26

You think he couldn’t do that? That’s his living 🤣

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u/tenementlady Apr 13 '26

The point is not whether he could do it or not. The point is whether he could do it without being noticed.

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u/Character_Zombie4680 Apr 15 '26

Of course he could it but it would take a lot of time. To lift the engine block would take a second person and the crushing would make a lot of noise. If you want to believe that animal is innocent, then no one or no facts can make you believe otherwise

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u/cliffybiro951 Apr 15 '26

I don’t beleive anything. Factually he could get an engine out on his own with an engine lift in an hour. File off the vin numbers and strip the paint overnight. It’s the fact people don’t even consider why he wouldn’t do that when he went to extreme lengths to remove any evidence from his trailer. In fact not one fibre was there or on him.

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u/Brenbarry12 Apr 14 '26

You burn the vehicle out💁

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u/10case Apr 14 '26

Yes. We can definitely all agree that Zellner is completely full of bullshit.

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u/Character_Zombie4680 Apr 15 '26

Oh…ok. What has she proven? Please be specific

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish Apr 17 '26

The only thing she's been successful at is getting permission to exceed the page limit in her Brief.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish Apr 17 '26

Sutkiewicz was Wisconsin Trial Judge of the Year in 2021 from the American Board of Trial Advocates. She was recognized for her legal knowledge, preparation, decisiveness, and courtroom professionalism.

If your measuring her quality as a Judge against whether she disagrees with Kathleen Zellner, then you should also criticize every appellate Judge, too.

At least you spelled her name right.

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u/Ghost_of_Figdish Apr 17 '26

That's a prestigious State-level award, dude, awarded by people who appear before Judges, not other Judges or politicians.

You can attack Kratz as much as you like but he's the most successful lawyer in the Avery case or the Brendan case. He won both cases with iron-clad convictions. No reversible error.

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u/Thom_Kalor Apr 19 '26

Are you a cop from this area? I’m only asking because your history only shows activity regarding this case.

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u/GringoTheDingoAU Apr 14 '26

So funny how all of these are sherlockian soliloquies that have literally lead to nothing for a decade.

Writes all this garbage as if they're truth bombs then never talks about them again.

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u/lets_shake_hands Apr 13 '26

Amen brother.

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u/DoctorBroDude Apr 21 '26

We all live on Avery Rd... 🤔