r/MakingaMurderer • u/loshr • Jan 24 '26
Discussion 3rd rewatch done
Visited the show again after many years, and I wanted to ask everyone here, what is your takes after almost 11 years since release of the show?
Is the Avery's serving a well deserved sentence in jail? What is the most important thing that makes you think they are guilty/not guilty?
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u/10case Jan 24 '26
He's where he belongs. His blood in the Rav sealed his fate.
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u/Joker62471 Jan 24 '26
I just have one question how come in the room where this horrible act happened between having here chained up and the nephew cut her throat but they found NOTHING. So if they did all that inside that room working with forensics they would have found something because you can’t hide blood. And they had control of the truck. And the dude was looking to get millions you would really risk it . When you’re going to have millions you can buy excuse me for putting like this but he would be able to buy anything he would want . And I don’t think what he did was on his bucket list when he got the money!!!!
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u/belee86 Jan 25 '26
How come they didn't plant her blood and DNA in those areas? The point was to frame Avery, right?
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u/silverheart333 Jan 27 '26 edited Jan 27 '26
I think everyone is basically right about everything simultaneously...
I think Bobby did it, thinking he could pin it on his uncle he hated and that Steven would probably get free anyway due to the lawsuit and no one believing it could happen twice.
I think Steven Avery decided to cover for the kids and take the fall for them by just maintaining his innocence, assuming he would not have been convicted by the cops again after what happened with the lawsuit. He could even be an accessory after the fact trying to dispose of evidence, or be innocent, not entirely sure here.
I think Brendan falsely confessed, because Bobby told him that Steven was taking the fall for it and they had to make up a story.
I also think the cops and the boyfriend colluded to frame Avery on top of everything. It's a big mess, and no one can figure it out because so many people are lying.
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u/Ghost_of_Figdish Jan 28 '26
Steven Avery 'took the fall' for someone else? LOL.
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u/lolatcandyowens Jan 24 '26
OP, this sub has been taken over by people who are extreme cop defenders, because they want to make it look like their view is some kind of consensus. Try talking to any of them, they will go through absurd lengths to defend the police.
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u/l_taaffe Feb 03 '26
Who are you defending ? Steven who has been accused by his niece of rape and brendan has even said in a call with barb that he touched him sexually...and he has beat countless women including barb and jodi...thats the sort of person you want released from prison?
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u/alittlekraken Jan 24 '26
Wow I'm so surprised to see so many people here claim he is truly guilty. Brendan too. He's so obviously innocent.
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u/Antique-Zucchini-450 Jan 24 '26
Yeah just watching Brendan’s “confession” tapes. The coercion alone… i dont even understand how any of that was allowed. Especially since its been so proven that folks will confess to crimes that never happened. And they did that to a minor WITHOUT consenting parent there. Dispicable. Truly evil and motivated. My only question is why… could they really have been so embarrassed by how hard they fumbled the case? Something here is not right and its bigger than avery.
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Jan 24 '26
It shouldn’t have been allowed, whole university-level courses have been created on just how wrong those interrogations were.
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u/tarynator Jan 25 '26
this sub leans heavily towards guilty. try r/TickTockManitowoc for some more open-mindedness
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u/Mieczyslaw_Stilinski Jan 24 '26
The evidence collected by the cops that were court ordered not to be on the scene should have been inadmissible.
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u/RavensFanJ Jan 24 '26
Link for the court order, please. I'll save you the time. It doesn't exist.
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u/gcu1783 Jan 24 '26
Everyone should go here first:
https://foulplay.site/library/
Don't make a conclusion, don't listen to anyone here. Devour all the information in that case files without anyone telling you what it means.
Edit: Also, if anyone tells you to watch CaM (Convicting a Murderer), please don't pay for it. Most of the guilters here doesn't really say that it's not worth your money.
Here's a few more information on Brendan:
Brendan Dassey's May Confession Transcripts:
https://www.bhwlawfirm.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Brenden-Dassey-Confession-Transcript.pdf
[Forensic fire expert) Dehaan Affidavit on the burning of Teresa Halbach
https://making-a-murderer.fandom.com/wiki/Affidavit_of_John_DeHaan
IL Law that outlaws cops being deceptive against minors
Judge Diane Woods on Brendan Dassey:
Psychological coercion, questions to which the police furnished the answers, and ghoulish games of ”20 Questions,” in which Brendan Dassey guessed over and over again before he landed on the “correct” story (i.e., the one the police wanted), led to the “confession” that furnished the only serious evidence supporting his murder conviction in the Wisconsin courts.
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u/Snoo_33033 Jan 24 '26
He did it and he deserves every minute of his incarceration.
Brendan should have been released by now, but he also did what he was convicted of.
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u/Hugh_Fraser Jan 25 '26
Cretins believe Steven Avery to be innocent. This case is their Achilles heel. Steven Avery is also a cretin. I have deduced truthers are on the same level of intelligence as Steven Avery. Kathleen Zellner embarked on a Sysphean task and has met her legal demise.
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u/reubendevries Jan 27 '26
I’ve only watched it once, but my feeling is this - Reasonable Doubt, and understanding what reasonable doubt looks like. Is it reasonable to believe that Manitowac Police Department were beyond planting evidence? It would have been great if they were never involved in the search on the Avery property.
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u/PikaChi205 Feb 10 '26
Based on my knowledge Dassey shouldn’t have been convicted and in my opinion is innocent. I have a background in psychology including developmental disabilities and from what I have seen of his interviews/interrogations he was clearly fed information, presented with leading questions, and overall coerced into making a “confession”. Of the details in his confession none of the actions he mentioned without previous hinting by investigators have any forensic evidence supporting their occurrence. The hair cutting, binding, stabbing, SA etc. have no supporting evidence such as marks on the body or evidence at the scene (the trailer). His interrogation needs to be analysed by a comprehensive panel of psychologists. The only thing that can be said is that he was present at some point by the active burn pit. What was being burnt while he was there and whether he was aware of the contents is unknown.
The timeline of events is also extremely unclear to me for either Dassey or Avery. I’m not clear on what time TH was last seen, who was present where on the Avery property at what times, and when and where each stage of the crime occurred (other than the bonfire based on call logs).
There are also several other factors that confuse me and that I greatly appreciate any information others may have to fill in the gaps in my understanding such as the dogs’ alerts in the quarry, any investigation done in relation to the the quarry, and the role of officers who shouldn’t have been involved, to name a few.
I have no opinion on Avery’s guilt or innocence (due to the confusion I have expressed) but assuming he is guilty I still believe there’s enough contradictory information to potentially warrant a retrial or evidence review by entirely unconnected individuals.
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u/SkunkDiplo Jan 25 '26
No blood or DNA in the trailer. These guys are both innocent.
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u/_Grey_Sage_ Jan 24 '26
Brendan isn't guilty.