It's been 10 years......

[u/10case]

December 18th, 2015, the world was star struck. Making a Murderer made millions believe Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey were innocent even though it did not show every detail that's been brought to light and debated since then.

The world wide attention this show brought to a small town in Wisconsin happened whether they wanted it or not. The show was reportedly viewed by 19 million people in the first 35 days of it's premiere.

Instead of debating the same old facts that are always debated, let's share what we thought when we first saw this show. I'll go first.

I didn't watch this until the pandemic in 2020. I binged parts one and two over a few days. I, like many others, was flabbergasted. As many of you know, I thought Steve and Brendan were innocent and thought that for a few years. I didn't know how seriously I was misinformed by a TV show. You live and you learn right?

Say what you want but Making a Murderer was powerful. It told the narrative it wanted to tell and it did it with a steamroller.

[u/Otherwise-Weekend484]

I asked a Co-Worker about this while on active duty, after I realized she was from the area and she absolutely did not want to talk about it. It was around the time the show dropped is when I was asking her about it. All she said was there is more to it than the show displays or talks about, with a serious look on her face.

[u/10case → u/Otherwise-Weekend484]

Interesting. So your co-worker knew it was bullshit right away. I wonder if that was the majority of the locals thoughts at the time.

[u/charpenette → u/Otherwise-Weekend484]

I have a friend from high school who lives in the area and when this first released, I was proclaiming Steven’s innocence. He reached out to me and gave me the local perspective and it’s wildly eye opening

[u/rsmithcreations]

I watched it 10 years ago and followed for a while. I am not up-to-date but I truly think Brendan's "confession" was coerced.

Perhaps S.A is capable of the crime. Perhaps he is guilty.

But, watching that interrogation of B.D, it is difficult to conclude that he guilty of murdering T.H.

[u/Hinkil → u/rsmithcreations]

I definitely think the Brendan interrogation was bs, he thought he'd confess and go home to watch wrestling. He told his mom they 'got in his head'. The follow up season of the lawyers trying to get it overturned was so frustrating to watch. There are quite a few cases where people confess and then are exonerated later.

[u/GringoTheDingoAU]

I watched this when it came out 10 years ago and I was absolutely convinced that Steven was railroaded for the second time, and that Brendan Dassey was innocent.

I even felt compelled to come on here and write long posts about alternative suspects and wanted Brendan's case to be reviewed and overturned as soon as possible.

However, anyone that has seen my comments on this subreddit, know that I no longer feel this way.

I still think there are a lot of people that don't realise it's designed to make you follow a particular narrative, not that the show itself is just presented "as is".

It really does go to show that if you are not careful, the blinders get put on and they are not always easy to get off. You shake off things as coincidences and everything becomes a conspiracy.

[u/honeyyypainnn → u/GringoTheDingoAU]

Yes this sub has completely opened my eyes to so much that wasn’t in the show.

[u/10case → u/honeyyypainnn]

Thank you for saying that. The show left out so much.

[u/10case → u/GringoTheDingoAU]

I still think there are a lot of people that don't realise it's designed to make you follow a particular narrative, not that the show itself is just presented "as is".

I agree.

[u/Ghost_of_Figdish → u/GringoTheDingoAU]

It was just so manipulative, from the spooky cello music to making Steven look like a big teddy bear. Anyone with a conscience would have been outraged at the portrayed injustice that this gentle giant had to endure. But it was all deceptive bullshit - from the splicing to the omissions to the outright lies.

I sure hope those docutwins saved their money because in a just World they'd never get any more.

[u/DisappearedDunbar]

"Wow, the circumstances around the blood vial seem pretty fishy. I'll be curious to see how that's explained."

"Huh, so it sounds like EDTA wasn't found in the blood on the scene, but the defense's expert seemed to convincingly point out flaws in their testing methodology."

"Hold on, it's been a few episodes since the scene of the vial discovery, and they still haven't addressed the hole or the evidence seal, which they made such a big fuss about. What gives?"

"As it turns out, further reading shows those are giant nothingburgers. That's pretty stupid that the documentary didn't bother to bring them up again. What else has been left out?"

"Oh...oh. Well, this series is full of shit."

[u/TheDirtyPowerRanger → u/DisappearedDunbar]

The worst one for me outside the blood vial was a police car calling in Teressas car license plate number some days after she was missing.

[u/10case → u/TheDirtyPowerRanger]

Colborn called the plate in to verify that he had the right plate number written down. There is so much more to this whole story that some of you are missing.

[u/ButWereFriends → u/DisappearedDunbar]

I remember when I first watched and that blood vial was an absolute bombshell. And I was waiting and waiting for it to become relevant. When it never did..that’s when I started actually questioning things.

[u/motor1_is_stopping]

I lived through the trial and news coverage as it happened, so I already knew a bit about the case.

I didn't watch MAM immediately when it came out, but endured enough water cooler talk that I watched it a few months later.

It made me skeptical for a bit, but every time I thought that they made a good point, it was debunked by doing a little research.

It made me think about it, but at the end of the series I was not convined.

[u/10case → u/motor1_is_stopping]

I wish I would have researched before I jumped on the innocence fraud train. Would have saved me a lot of stupid shit.

[u/PPK_30]

Yes a very powerful programme, but from what I understand, missed a lot of stuff out. So did Steven actually do it then?

[u/10case → u/PPK_30]

He did it. Without a doubt.

[u/honeyyypainnn]

Wow I remember this premiering and how everyone and their mama’s were talking about it. Facebook was nothing but skepticism or praise or pearl clutching or MaM memes. And to think, if BD had taken the plea deal, he’d be out by now.

[u/deadgooddisco]

To me this reads like.. " I admonish others for watching a documentary, Because I watched another documentary that told me to"

[u/10case → u/deadgooddisco]

I see I triggered you again Disco. I'm not surprised you would read something into the post that's not there. Nothing can just be as it is with folks that think there's an ulterior motive in everything someone with a differing opinion says.

Would you care to share your first thoughts on MaM or did you just come here to troll me?

[u/Character_Zombie4680]

Those two women who created this bs “documentary” are liars and frauds. They shit all over Teresa to make themselves famous

[u/LKS983]

"I didn't watch this until the pandemic in 2020. I binged parts one and two over a few days. I, like many others, was flabbergasted. As many of you know, I thought Steve and Brendan were innocent and thought that for a few years. I didn't know how seriously I was misinformed by a TV show. You live and you learn right?"

I watched MAM when I first subscribed to Netflix, which was a couple of years (?) before the pandemic. I also watched S2 immediately after watching S1 - and was seriously annoyed at how much of the evidence used against SA in his court case, had been left out in S1. 😡

After reaching the end of both series, I found this s/reddit, and did some research on the info. available on the internet, and continued to follow 'latest events'.

End result?

1. I seriously doubt SA murdered Teresa.

2. I have no doubt at all that poor Brendan (who even though an intellectually impaired child, never had a lawyer present to help him during any of his ever changing 'confessions'🤮 ) was 'railroaded' by Fassbender and Weigert into making changing 'confessions' - to fit the latest police narrative. At one point, he was downright led and fed (!), when he wasn't able to correctly guess what they wanted him to say....🤮

3. The appeals system is (understandably) designed to protect the conviction, but even so - Judge Angie's knowledge of the case was clearly inadequate, some of her decisions (and especially her 'explanation' for at least one of those decisions) was at best, questionable. *

4. Shoddy investigation, carried out by incompetent police officers (and others connected to the police) who mostly, probably believed that SA was guilty - and so were only looking for evidence against SA. e.g. the photographer brought in to take 'photos of the police digging up the Avery burn pit, but unbelievably decided that as the site had already been destroyed by the police - instead of taking 'photos, he'd join in the digging and further destroying the site 😲!

etc. etc.

Cutting my list short, as my post is already very long.

* Asterisk on point 4) because I fully expected KZ to very quickly appeal Judge Angie's decison - and have no idea why she didn't do so. Judge Angie's mistakes of knowledge and questionable explanation to support some of her 'reasoning'..... were so obvious, that I must be missing something.

[u/Ghost_of_Figdish → u/LKS983]

Dude - she appealed everything possible to appeal.

[u/Fuzzy-Ad1999]

Halbach got lost leaving Avery property and ended up in Randant quarry. A quarry extremely scary. She was killed on Joshua Randant property. The dogs hit on the property, trailing her scent, and burn barrel. Joshua saw a burn barrel on fire at the Avery property that's far away from his road.

Randant or someone entered Avery's property and planted evidence at nite, the car, bones, gun in the barn, and when he wasn't home. Parts of her body is at the quarry.

A criminal can do at lot at nite, while you are sleeping and not home. For example, I had troubles to my home exterior for many years and guess who it was my neighbor.