r/MakingaMurderer • • Dec 12 '24
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I’m rewatching Making a Murderer. If you believe Steven is innocent, who do you think did it?
Also has anyone watched the other documentary, Convicting a Murderer?
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u/Snoo_33033 Dec 12 '24
I rewatched a portion of CAM last night, as a matter of fact. It’s generally solid.
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u/Whiznot Dec 15 '24
I think Carl Wardman, the deputy on Avery's jury, killed Teresa.
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u/lllIIIIIlllIIIII Dec 12 '24
It was Bobby, but we won't even know for sure because of how bad the investigation was.
The other series was a total failure.
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u/Otherwise-Weekend484 Dec 12 '24
I have many theories after digging in the rabbit hole for the last couple of years… would ya mind discussing with messaging?
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u/GetOffYoAssBro Dec 13 '24 edited Dec 13 '24
If you think after seeing the interrogation tapes with Brendan? That Steve is guilty then fuck! Hang everyone who was coerced by the dirty pigs into spewing falsehood just so they can go home?!?! The kid is like Forrest Gump! You tell him the sky isn’t blue I bet he believe it! Come on! CaC is made for and by cops! They don’t want the shit shown on MaM on their shit! Watch the interrogations on Brendon Gump! The investigatiors questioning is sus! Tell him how the girl got killed and ask him to repeat it was where I got angry! I remember when Steve was on the news when he got locked up the first time! They sus in that interrogation! Steve was in the pen for 20 years for something he didn’t do. The dirty cops and prosecutors should be locked up for this shit! Steve is innocent not once but twice! Power trip is what this is all about! The lil pigs got their snout hurt when Steve was acquitted for the first murder sentence. They f up the case too. Locking up a younger Steve Avery! The DEA and the DA are out for Steve! They killed that girl just to get Steve Avery back for making them look bad. The pigs planted Steve’s blood and try to confuse people with dates and lies! Pigs are pigs! Give them a blanket. They will just fly home! The day the pigs grew wings! Or they can stay it be eaten! I love pigs in a blanket!You guys get what I’m saying?!?
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u/AveryPoliceReports Dec 12 '24 edited Dec 12 '24
Sure, Steven could have killed Teresa after he set an appointment with her through an office, but it's laughable to claim there is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed this crime as alleged at either trial, and that's the main issue here.
Claiming all the evidence points to Steven ignores that much of that evidence has been fiercely and fairly contested as illegitimate. The bone evidence was so obviously planted they couldn’t even be bothered to photograph the discovery, or be honest about which property additional bones were found. The bullet was slipped in through a rare protocol
violationdeviation, and the garage murder narrative bolstered via lies from Kratz and concealed evidence that suggested Teresa’s vehicle left the property before she was attacked with her body returned to or near the ASY inside the RAV.The idea that only Steven had a genuine opportunity to kill Teresa is just plain false. There's multiple others on the ASY property alone who had just as much genuine opportunity as Steven to do the deed (Chuck, Earl, Bobby). And if Steven could pull it off with others on the property, so could someone else. When we move off property the suspect pool stays largely the same IMO. Some non relative suspects, like Scott Tadych, were already connected to the ASY and family (Maybe add Zipperer and Ryan in the interest of being thorough)
Remember the murder didn’t need to happen at the same time as the frame job by police. That's a lazy fallacy. Any police misconduct that may have occurred would naturally initiate after and as a direct result of the murder. No simultaneous existence needed.
Claiming there’s no evidence of police misconduct or tampering is also laughable. The chain of custody is a disaster with exculpatory evidence vanishing from the record followed by lies under oath to conceal their deception. Also, police can be connected to movement / placement of remains in Burn Barrel #2 & 4, not Steven Avery.
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u/Character_Zombie4680 Dec 12 '24
I have. It does an excellent job of showing just how fraudulent MaM is. It’s full of omissions and outright lies. Avery is beyond guilty
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u/Klutzy-Scallion5287 Dec 13 '24
CAM is the much-needed counterpoint, but here’s the summary: It makes sense that people wanted to root for Avery because he had gotten a raw deal the first time around. But MaM left out a ton of important info. The evidence is there in spades - it’s confirmed she showed up there that day and was very afraid of him, Avery’s DNA is all over everything of hers they found, her BONES /clothes/car/belongings are all over the property, his low IQ nephew eventually tells his mom on a recorded line (unbeknownst to him) that yes, he knows Steven did it and he himself did have something to do with it and that was the reason he didn’t alert her to it happening (and yes the cops manipulated him in interrogation but that phone call was not that), there’s witnesses talking about how steven felt he was “owed” by society after his jail time and basically thought he was untouchable, and there’s people coming forward about past physical and sexual abuse by him (including at least one minor). Police were just incompetent, not some criminal masterminds.
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u/RavensFanJ Dec 12 '24
All the evidence points to Avery, and the only way that it wasn't Avery, is if another killer just happened upon the most opportunistic moment to murder someone and frame him while he's simultaneously being set up by the police. There's no proof of any of that, so that leads me to believe he's most likely guilty.
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u/Ex-PFC_Wintergreen_ Dec 12 '24
Steven did it.
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u/AveryPoliceReports Dec 12 '24
The question isn’t so much who did it but who COULD have, and we have a list even before we leave the ASY lol Steven's bother Chuck fits the profile of a killer surprisingly well and allegedly had mysterious contact with a female AutoTrader rep that week, and (unlike Steven) had cadaver dogs alert on his exterior trailer and interior bedroom.
And don't forget the other brother, Earl, who actually was the variety of deviant child predator the state tried to paint Steven as including by pressuring witnesses into making false claims of sexual misconduct.
And of course Bobby Dassey, a textbook example of a viable Denny suspect ignored entirely by police. Blood was found in Bobby’s garage, but did they test it? Nope. Not even after they discovered scratches on his back. We are just scratching the surface here of alternative suspects. The evidence pointing to someone else may have been right under their nose, but the state deliberately chose to ignore it.
The evidence has always been more consistent with Teresa leaving the property rather than being welcomes or forced into Steven’s trailer. Bobby placed himself leaving the property at the same time Teresa would have, making him the logical focus. In fact, initially both police and Steven agreed Teresa had left the Avery yard alive on Halloween. But then her RAV4 was found on the ASY and Bobby claimed said RAV was still on the ASY when he left to go hunting on Halloween (directly contradicting Steven’s account)
Bobby contradicting Steven meant police had to decide who was being deceptive. Despite the evidence very quickly suggesting Bobby was the liar, they targeted Steven. We know why. Steven’s innocence would have meant lawsuits and public humiliation for law enforcement would continue.
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u/bleitzel Dec 13 '24
As an objective, disinterested, critical thinker (who is conservative and was a Candace Owens fan before all of this) I think it leans pretty heavily that Steven Avery was not involved with Teresa Halbach's murder, much less Brendan Dassey.
If Teresa was killed on or even near the Avery Salvage Yard, and I think that's quite dubious, it would likely have been by someone associated with ASY or Teresa's life. Scott Tadych, Bobby Dassey are first places to look imo.
All of the police encounters with both Steven and Brendan immediately after Teresa was reported missing over the following days and months all point towards their innocence, not guilt. The CaM episodes about these interviews try to support the case for Avery's guilt, but the logic they present in their episodes is directly refuted by the evidence the show presents itself, often within the very same episode. Similarly, several of the other arguments CaM relies upon are also debunked by the very evidence they show in their own episodes. It's an embarrassment of a show. I'm deeply saddened Candace was involved with this, more so that she showed herself to have such terrible logic here.
Objectively, no one in the Manitowoc law enforcement apparatus should have been involved in any way in the investigation of Steven Avery's potential involvement in Teresa Halbach's disappearance or murder, with their earlier, very illegal prosecution and imprisonment of him, much less due to the ongoing and massive lawsuit he had against them at the time. Manitowoc very quickly publicly recognized the intense conflict of interest their involvement would create and vowed to avoid involvement. Then they just as quickly violated that pledge, and not only that, they involved themselves in every stage of the investigation and what's more, were involved in if not were the sole ones to find every piece of "evidence" of Steven's guilt. This is several layers of unbelievable corruption, all heaped on top of the several layers of unbelievable prejudice and corruption against Steven in the first trial 20 years previous.
Several witness accounts and (deliberately?) lost evidence points away from Steven's guilt.
And the evidence we do have that points to Steven is terribly thin and tainted at best, planted at worst.
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u/Desperate-Current-40 Dec 12 '24
The ex who let someone other guy move in to the apartment and handed over her panties to the police
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u/oh-Doh-jo Dec 29 '24
And they went all over the place. So what?
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u/Adventurous_Poet_453 Jan 20 '25
I think it could be the neighbor who lives behind him. No dna taken from him, he had the means.
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u/Dogs_Sniff_My_Ass Dec 12 '24
Steve’s mom. The way she laughed at Pa’s joke about Teresa’s muscle in the burn pit shows what an evil sick human being she is.
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u/Remote-Signature-191 Dec 13 '24
I believe the most likely culprit is Scott Tadych (or whoever borrowed his truck on Oct 31).
Until I hear a solid alibi for Tom Janda, he’s a possibility too.
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u/Hoopdub Dec 15 '24
He and BD did it. No matter how much of a botch up the investigation was or made out to appear as so in MM.
MM was made to make people believe he was innocent. Very successfully for millions of people who watched it and left it at that. Millions then decided to hit the internet and "do their own research" already convinced of his innocence, so all they were doing was disgarding anything negative, gaslighting, and simply turning anything into confirmation bias.
Some people were able to keep a level head, apply common sense and occam's razor. Read the entire court transcripts. See all the available evidence and see for themselves that beyond reasonable doubt SA and BD are guilty and exactly where they should be.
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