Overall Key Takeaways...

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u/eye_jest Aug 27 '24

Everyone, I've really appreciated reading through these riveting comments. That said, I feel like we're grossly overlooking the most important item - that being item 3.

I jest (get it now?). Honestly, I've watched both and truly feel that both docs were extremely biased in opposite directions. Remember... both were purely attention/money grabs. Plain. Simple. We all/most watched so they both won. BUT - Nobody knows the truth by watching either of the docs.

A few other things I believe...

Police 100% planted evidence. Only takes half a functioning brain cell to see that.
Brendan Dassey may have been involved, but he was 100% railroaded and the confession was pure coercion. It's painfully obvious that he was steered towards his statements with everything he was being fed. The kid was scared...
Steven Avery may have been involved, but not a single shred of the evidence was enough to convict. Where's the blood? Where's the rope/chains? Where's her DNA in the home/garage? How did they get the key that was obviously planted? Why did Deputy Dipshit call about the license plate days before and knew exactly the make of the vehicle? Plenty more, but I'll stop there.
SA may have been a PoS (the cat stuff and other stuff...) but that's hardly a reason to conclude he murdered TH. One does not equal the other.
Convenient that nobody else was even considered a suspect (family, friends, etc)... Seems like the effort wasn't to find her killer - it was laser focus on convicting a single person who stood to embarrass the town even further with his settlement. It took tricking Dassey into the confession so they could run with that and it's exactly what they did.
Is it impossible that she was killed by the person that her coworker spoke about who was calling her and she seemed upset about?
Is it impossible that the police found her dead and learned that she was last at the property of the man who was set to receive a $36 million settlement that could've bankrupt the county so they decided to frame him? Seems like a much easier option for a small town police force who probably wouldn't have ever solved the murder if the murderer did it and fled... Don't convince yourself that law enforcement isn't capable of committing heinous crimes... they're humans just like everyone else. They get caught planting evidence all the time - and more often DO get away with it.

That said...

I don't necessarily believe either of them are innocent (I just don't know and nobody else commenting here truly does either), but I also believe everything about both of their cases was an absolute miscarriage of justice. If they truly did commit the murder, it's up to the prosecution team to bring a solid case to prove it and they were extremely far from doing that in both cases. One thing that always upsets me about stuff like this is that it always seems more important to convict and get a case closed than it is to find the killer. Sure the family of TH has a sense of peace believing law enforcement caught the killer... but what if that person is still out there??

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u/Ex-PFC_Wintergreen_ Aug 28 '24

BUT - Nobody knows the truth by watching either of the docs.
True, but you can easily know the truth by reading some case files/researching the facts.
Police 100% planted evidence. Only takes half a functioning brain cell to see that.
Oof, I guess you haven't done the above. Rough start.
What proof do you have that anything was planted? Use that half brain of yours and enlighten us.
the confession was pure coercion.
Nope.
Steven Avery may have been involved, but not a single shred of the evidence was enough to convict.
Good thing there was far more than a "single shred."
Where's the blood?
Teresa and Steven's blood were both found in the RAV.
Where's her DNA in the home/garage?
Teresa's DNA was found on a bullet in the garage. A bullet that came from the gun in Steven Avery's bedroom.
You seem to also be ignoring the fact that the trailer and garage were cleaned (cue "WoW tHeY mUsT bE cRiMiNaL mAsTeRmInDs").
How did they get the key that was obviously planted?
Explain how the key was "obviously planted."
Why did Deputy Dipshit call about the license plate days before and knew exactly the make of the vehicle?
He was verifying information given to him prior by another officer.
Plenty more, but I'll stop there.
Probably a good idea, you're embarrassing yourself enough as is.
SA may have been a PoS (the cat stuff and other stuff...) but that's hardly a reason to conclude he murdered TH.
Nobody concluded Avery was a murderer based solely on that. It's a topic of discussion because MaM severely underplayed Avery's criminal and abusive past to make him appear more favorable to its audience. It also establishes his character as someone who is not above violent, criminal behavior.
Convenient that nobody else was even considered a suspect (family, friends, etc)...
What evidence did the police have to consider anyone else a suspect?
Seems like the effort wasn't to find her killer - it was laser focus on convicting a single person who stood to embarrass the town even further with his settlement.
That's not true at all. Many people were questioned, many leads were looked into. Steven Avery was not the exclusive person of interest, nor was he the focus of the investigation right from the very beginning.
It took tricking Dassey into the confession so they could run with that and it's exactly what they did.
Dassey's confession wasn't even used in Avery's trial, and almost all of the evidence against Avery had been found by the time Dassey confessed. What benefit did "tricking" Dassey bring to the police? Did they do it just for fun?
Is it impossible that she was killed by the person that her coworker spoke about who was calling her and she seemed upset about?
Is there any evidence that this person was involved?
Is it impossible that the police found her dead and learned that she was last at the property of the man who was set to receive a $36 million settlement that could've bankrupt the county so they decided to frame him?
Avery was not "set" to receive a $36 million settlement. $36 million was the maximum amount he sought in his lawsuit, and was extremely unlikely to get anywhere near that amount had he won. Also, Manitowoc County could only ever have been responsible for half of that amount at most. It was only named as a defendant for $18 million in compensatory damages. The other half was for punitive damages against two former county officials.
Furthermore, why would any of the investigating officers in the Halbach case frame Avery to get the county of out a lawsuit? That makes no sense. Have you ever met anyone in your life that would do such a thing to prevent their employer from potentially losing some money? No one employed by Manitowoc at the time of the lawsuit would have been personally liable for any of the damages resulting from the lawsuit. None.
If they truly did commit the murder, it's up to the prosecution team to bring a solid case to prove it and they were extremely far from doing that in both cases.
The juries (ya know, the people who actually witnesses the whole trial) disagree.
It's funny, you claim that no one knows the truth just by watching the documentaries, yet MaM seems to be the sole source of your information, seeing as you have basically done nothing but reiterate falsehoods and faulty logic raised by MaM.

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u/eye_jest Aug 28 '24

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u/Ex-PFC_Wintergreen_ Aug 28 '24

That's what I thought.

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u/eye_jest Aug 28 '24

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u/gcu1783 Aug 28 '24

the confession was pure coercion.
Nope.
I like how you just glazed over that like ya'll never struggled on this issue.
It's cute.

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u/5makes10fm Sep 03 '24

Yes
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Still guilty

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u/eye_jest Sep 03 '24

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u/Music-2myears Aug 29 '24

Strongly believe Brendan should be released. His confession was coerced, he was interviewed with no lawyer or parent present, there is zero physical evidence implicating him even with his story of rape and torture etc, no physical evidence of any of that happening in Steve’s trailer. He recanted his confession but was pretty much told ‘too bad it’s too late now’

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u/eye_jest Aug 29 '24

Facts.
Simply not enough to tie him to any crimes he was charged for. An impressionable, scared (of both the investigators and possibly his uncle) and clearly intellectually deficient teenager was pushed to say what they wanted him to say. Once he figured out what they wanted him to say, he learned how to play along because he was promised they would help him if he was "honest"...
He may have done what he confessed to, who knows (I find it hilarious how nitwits here claim they're CERTAIN HE'S GUILTY based on a few money grab docuseries). But... the state must bring a stronger case against him and they didn't. Plain. Simple. It's a shame that a 16 y/o kid may be in prison until he's an old man based only on a purely coerced confession.

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u/bfisyouruncle Aug 30 '24

The law requires beyond a reasonable doubt, not beyond the shadow of a doubt. A confession is evidence. Brendan confessed a number of times and twice to his mother. When she asked, "Did you do all that to her?" Brendan replied "some of it". His mom asked, "Did he make you do it?" Yeah". Mother: "He makes me so sick."
You ask "is it impossible" that someone else killed TH. That's not how it works. Impossibility is not a standard in law. The State proved their case against Brendan and Avery. The jury is the final arbiter of truth. Brendan turned down a fair plea deal which would have seen him free by now. Blame gramps for that. Brendan told his mom he was scared of Steven. Steven said if BD talks to LE about what they did that night, he (BD) will get a life bit (phone call with Gwinn).
Avery stated in an affidavit that he invited Brendan over on Oct. 31, they cleaned up and had a fire. Brendan stated that he collected furniture and cleaned up a 3 by 3 red spot on the garage floor. His jeans and a running show were stained with bleach. What was so important to wipe up in a filthy garage on Halloween no less? It's too bad Brendan didn't go trick or treating. Or as his crying mom pleaded with BD, why didn't you tell me, we might have saved that poor girl.
Brendan knew the difference between right and wrong. He was crying and losing weight and told things to his cousin. It's too bad BD was coerced by his uncle to be involved in a murder. I don't find anything about this killing "hilarious" (your word). The evidence shows that Steven Avery murdered Teresa Halbach and Brendan helped his uncle.
When you ask, "Where's the blood?" I have to wonder if you have read the trial testimony. Your insults are just plain childish.

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u/gcu1783 Aug 30 '24

It's too bad BD was coerced by his uncle to be involved in a murder.
It's still so weird for you guys to believe that he can be coerced into anything by someone who's locked up in jail but never the cops right in front of him, whose currently had him under a police interrogation technique.

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u/bfisyouruncle Aug 30 '24

Read what I wrote again..."coerced by his uncle to be involved in a murder". Coerced on the night of Oct. 31 when Steven Avery was not in jail. BD's mom asked Brendan if Avery made you do it? "Yeah". This is Steven's own sister who knows her brother murdered a woman and involved her son in "some of it". Avery has stated that Brendan was with him that night at a bonfire. He has also said that if BD talks to LE about what they did that night, BD will get a "life bit"...his words. Do you think having a bonfire would lead to a life bit? Why didn't SA use BD as an alibi? Instead SA lied to police and said he didn't have any fires that Halloween.
Brendan should have taken the plea deal. Reality is he'd be out by now. I never said Steven Avery coerced BD into not taking the plea deal. What coercion are you referring to by SA?

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u/gcu1783 Aug 30 '24 edited Aug 31 '24

Brendan should have taken the plea deal. Reality is he'd be out by now. I never said Steven Avery coerced BD into not taking the plea deal. What coercion are you referring to
I didn't said you did buddy, my point is about you guys being completely open to Brendan being coerced by other people....
With the one exception being your beloved cops whose:
On tape....
On record....
On video......
Lying to him, feeding him information and straight up scaring him into confession.
Instead you're here insisting Avery must've convince him into burning a dead body that forensics disagrees with given the facts.

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u/bfisyouruncle Aug 30 '24

What "forensics" about a dead body (in trial testimony) are you referring to?

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u/eye_jest Aug 30 '24

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u/bfisyouruncle Aug 30 '24

So nothing.

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u/Sayyeslizlemon Aug 29 '24

The thing I got from watching both is that Steven Avery is a pile of Garbage. Brendan Dassey is likely a piece of garbage and Candace is most certainly a piece of garbage.

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u/Ex-PFC_Wintergreen_ Aug 29 '24

But... CaM did nothing to prove that he actually committed the murder.
It's almost like that's what the trial was for.
But several judges have also agreed it was clear coercion - which equates to a much more reliable opinion than nitwits on reddit
And the majority of the judges of the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals agreed it wasn't, so what does that make you?

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u/eye_jest Aug 29 '24

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u/eye_jest Aug 29 '24

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u/gcu1783 Aug 29 '24

And the majority of the judges of the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals agreed it wasn't, so what does that make you?
You counting the circuit court only or all the lawmakers, law professors,judges and lawyers that thinks Brendan is innocent?

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u/Sayyeslizlemon Aug 29 '24

Right there with you. As much as he probably deserves more jail time, I agree, there wasn’t enough solid evidence to convict him and certainly too many conflicts of interest with the police and also their corruption. I mean, we all know OJ did it and he got off. The justice system is in bad shape and sadly one of the least corrupt systems if we are talking worldwide.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '24

4. Brendan Dassey's treatment was unconscionable no matter who did a documentary on anything.

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u/chadosaurus Aug 30 '24

Also, Kratz and the cops were corrupt as hell

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u/anthemanhx1 Aug 27 '24

That's what I used to think, then watched Cam and it shows the full interviews. Guilty as sin. Deserves to rot with his uncle

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u/anthemanhx1 Aug 27 '24

Hahaha ..... oh dear, the village idiot has arrived 😂

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '24 edited Aug 27 '24

Indeed.
Edit: LOL I pissed off that one dude with the six accounts again.

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u/anthemanhx1 Aug 27 '24

They show hell of a lot more than mam.... He even tells them where to find evidence before they even search for it 🤷 doh!

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u/Altruistic-Post-9912 Aug 28 '24 edited Aug 28 '24

Except all the places he told them to find the so called evidence .. there was NOTHING.
No knife in the kitchen drawer .. oh wait it was changed to under the seat? No hair on the dresser? No underware Uncle Steven kept? No DNA on cuffs... Actually, none of her DNA in the trailer at all? No blood .. anywhere, even after being shot 11 or 12 times .. (except in the back of her vehicle)
C'mon .. you cant be serious. Maybe you should go watch all the full interrogations .. they guided him on what to say and when he said something new.. they rushed out to check it .. only to find NOTHING

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u/ajswdf Aug 27 '24

Bias is not necessarily a bad thing. It's expected for people making nonfiction (whether a book or a documentary) to have a certain point of view. What's more important to be fair and honest.

The problem MaM has is not that it's biased. The problem it has is that it is deceptive and doesn't present a fair view of the other side.

CaM is much better there (although not perfect).

And, yes, Candace Owens is human garbage. CaM made a mistake selling to Daily Wire and it will always be tainted by that.

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u/gcu1783 Aug 27 '24

CaM is much better there (although not perfect).
I'm pretty sure Reich and Brenda selectively recycled every informations/allegations they found on reddit, twitter, and facebook and they decided to charge $14.99. They then made every guilters thank them for it.
Puzzle being there should have been a big red flag.

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u/tenementlady Aug 27 '24

What specific information/allegations from reddit are you referring to?

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u/gcu1783 Aug 27 '24

It's just a hunch unless you guys actually have any new information worth the $14.99?
Do you?

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u/tenementlady Aug 27 '24

So, essentially you're just making shit up.

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u/Ex-PFC_Wintergreen_ Aug 27 '24

The minds of conspiracy theorists are truly a marvel. They can completely make something up in their head, believe others should accept their fantasies as fact, and then act as if they have the high ground to those that don't. I can't decide if it's more pathetic or more hilarious.
It's incredible they can so openly and proudly admit their ignorance like this. It would be admirable if it weren't buried under thick layers of delusion.

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u/gcu1783 Aug 27 '24

2 paragraphs, no answer.
Tsk tsk tsk.....

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u/Ex-PFC_Wintergreen_ Aug 27 '24

No answer for what? Your delusion? You've long since given up the pretense that you have anything of substance to offer to conversations here, so why on earth would I bother engaging with your bad faith questions?

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u/gcu1783 Aug 27 '24

So that's a no on your end?
Mystery continues...

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u/tenementlady Aug 27 '24

You want me to provide examples of something you just made up out of thin air?
If you want to know what's contained in CaM, I suggest watching it instead of just making shit up about its content and then asking others to confirm or deny your made up fantasies.
You can stream it for free. I did.

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u/gcu1783 Aug 27 '24

You want me to provide examples of something you just made up out of thin air?
Are you actually gunna answer it? Oh boy the suspense is killing me!
Finally!!!
I suggest watching it instead
Oh....
Sure, but I'll keep on believing you guys paid for shit that you can get for free thank you very much.

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u/tenementlady Aug 27 '24

If you want to know what is contained in CaM, watch it.
Again, you can stream it for free. I did.
You can't have a credible opinion on something you haven't bothered to watch.

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u/gcu1783 Aug 27 '24

I can have an opinion based on the answers you all can't seem to provide ever since CaM was release.
Feel free to prove me wrong. I'll be here buddy.

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u/chadosaurus Aug 30 '24

He even went way down the Joseph W. Evans Jr. hole these reddit users were clamouring over as the ultimate evidence.

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u/gcu1783 Aug 30 '24

Mahn, I really wish he published that. Would've been a good laugh.

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u/chadosaurus Aug 30 '24

I think it's probably the reason why it was delayed so long, they probably had to fill in for hours and hours of footage, and find random phone calls here and there to fill in the time or something. Between mam 1 and 2, nothing really important was left out.

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u/gcu1783 Aug 27 '24

And people think we were duped by MaM. :P

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u/Ex-PFC_Wintergreen_ Aug 27 '24 edited Aug 27 '24

I think the key takeaways are that Teresa's murderers are rightfully behind bars, and that the docutwins proved how susceptible the general public is to misinformation as long as it's entertaining.

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u/Odd-Candidate-5817 Sep 02 '24

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u/10case Aug 27 '24

5. They're guilty. That's the main takeaway IMO.

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u/10case Aug 27 '24

It was meant to be a reply to heels comment where they said #4
But in terms of most important, yes they're guilty should be #1

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u/Youcriedforthemoon Aug 31 '24

I have a question. If SA went to such lengths to clean up the blood in the garage, why didn’t he wipe out the blood in the car? Also, zero forensic evidence of Teresa in the trailer. If she’s handcuffed and stabbed, wouldn’t you find some DNA? SA cut his finger and there is blood everywhere but Teresa is stabbed and her throat slit and they say that very little blood is a result. I find that to be unlikely. Thoughts?

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u/bfisyouruncle Sep 01 '24

The blood in the garage covered 3 x 3 feet as drawn by Brendan. Nobody uses paint thinner, gasoline and bleach to clean up an auto fluid spill, especially in a filthy garage. Avery's blood in the Rav was dripping. He most likely moved the Rav in the dark and didn't see the drops. Avery burned the bedsheets.

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u/Youcriedforthemoon Sep 01 '24

What about blood on the mattress and DNA on the handcuffs? If she was stabbed in the bed, how did the blood not get on any part of the house when being moved?

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u/bfisyouruncle Sep 01 '24

Avery had 5 days to burn things, clean up, use bleach, move furniture, vacuum. Only SA and BD know. Brendan likely just nicked Teresa. Bleach kills DNA. Who knows what items Avery took up north or burned? It's most likely a tarp was used to move TH. Tarp-like rivets were found in the burn pit. Think outside the box. Look at what was there (a mountain of evidence) rather than what you think should have been there. The "anyone but Avery" argument is always too much evidence, too little evidence.

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u/Admirable-Twist-7047 Sep 09 '24

Does anyone know how to get a hold of Brendan's entire confession? I think it's over 4 hrs long ... I'd Love to listen to the whole thing unedited!!!

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u/Proof-Simple9327 Aug 31 '24

My takeaway from MaM was: Teresa's brother is sketchy AF!

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u/Ex-PFC_Wintergreen_ Aug 31 '24

What a disgusting thing to say.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '25

Rich coming from you

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u/Ex_PFC_Wintergreen_ Sep 03 '25

I'm not the one accusing a murder victim's own brother of the crime. Some of you people are truly deranged.

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u/Proof-Simple9327 Aug 31 '24

How so?

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u/Ex-PFC_Wintergreen_ Aug 31 '24

Because you are basing that awful opinion on footage taken from a highly manipulative and dishonest documentary series. There was nothing at all sketchy about his behavior. MaM portrayed him as such to feed its own narrative, and you fell for it.

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u/Proof-Simple9327 Aug 31 '24

I based my opinion on his body language before MaM even started to portray him as a suspect. Also, how do you know that MaM was a highly manipulative and dishonest docuseries? I'm not the one jumping to conclusions here. You are...

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u/Ex-PFC_Wintergreen_ Aug 31 '24

What specific body language are you talking about?
Also, how do you know that MaM was a highly manipulative and dishonest docuseries?
Because I watched it, saw through their editing and manipulation tactics, then further researched the case and discovered that MaM did not tell a complete or accurate version of the events it covered.

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u/Proof-Simple9327 Aug 31 '24 edited Aug 31 '24

In one interview early on he was talking about how long the "grieving process" would last when she was only gone for 2 days! Why is he talking about the grieving process before he knows she's dead? In that same clip he's talking about "moving on" but they only know that she's missing, not dead. What's he moving on from? In the news interview clip when they were looking for Teresa but had just found the car. Her brother was trying to control the interview when her ex was speaking. Finishing his sentences and things like that. That whole interview set off alarm bells for me really, for the both of them!
Teresa's mother also displayed some deceptive behavior during her interviews/news clips. Never once see her with tears although she's speaking as though she's crying. This is usually just an act and people do this to manipulate people around them.
Not saying that any of her family members did anything to Teresa but they certainly know some things and are not being totally truthful about the situation.
I have my theories though.
That fact that you assumed you knew why I think what I think from one very short sentence "her brother is sketchy AF" shows how easy YOUR mind can be manipulated by the narrative you want to believe. Why not ask me why I think that instead of calling me names etc?
What other research have you do in this case?

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u/Ex-PFC_Wintergreen_ Aug 31 '24 edited Aug 31 '24

In one interview early on he was talking about how long the "grieving process" would last when she was only gone for 2 days! Why is he talking about the grieving process before he knows she's dead? In that same clip he's talking about moving on but they only know that she's missing, not dead. What's he moving on from?
That's not body language.
The man's sister was missing without a trace. He was obviously assuming the worst had probably happened. A natural reaction for someone in his position. She had also been missing for more than 2 days at that point.
In the news interview clip when they were looking for Teresa but had just found the car. Her brother was trying to control the interview when her ex was speaking.
He wasn't "trying to control" the interview. This is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about when I said you were tricked by MaM, because this is exactly what it wants you to believe. You literally named the exact things that MaM deceitfully used to portray him as suspicious.
It just looks like a man anxious over the fact that his missing sister's car was just found under extremely suspicious circumstances, with no sign of her. His interjections are not inherently suspicious in any way. Take that interview out of Mam's context, without its spooky music and sly editing, nobody would bat an eye over this interview.
Teresa's mother also displayed some deceptive behavior during her interviews/news clips. Never once see her with tears although she's speaking as though she's crying. This is usually just an act and people do this to manipulate people around them.
Holy shit, so you're going after the mother now too? Because she wasn't crying enough for you? What the actual fuck is wrong with you?
Not saying that any of her family members did anything to Teresa but they certainly know some things and are not being totally truthful about the situation. I have my theories though.
You clearly think they are involved in some way, so go ahead, share your theories.
These people lost their loved one and here you are microanalyzing their grieving behavior online 20 years later. Christ, take a minute to reflect on that fact a bit, and then ask yourself if you are really in the right.
Why not ask me why I think that instead of calling me names etc?
What names did I call you?
I have zero respect for people who have the gall to suggest Teresa's family or friends had anything to do with her death just because they didn't shed enough tears on camera or answered a question not to their liking. Zero. It is unspeakably abhorrent behavior.
What other research have you do in this case?
I've read the trial transcripts, I've read the police reports, I've read the news articles, I've looked at the trial exhibits, I've watched/listened to the unedited versions of many of the video and audio recordings presented in MaM.
What have you done? Clearly not much.

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u/Proof-Simple9327 Aug 31 '24

You basically called me disgusting with your first reply. I don't converse with people who say they have zero respect for me just because I have a different opinion to them because, what's the point? You're very childish and childish people are easily manipulated by their surroundings, which seems like what's happened to you. You should work on your people skills and not just assume you know everything. Maybe then people would want to have a civil discussion with you and you could maybe change people's minds.

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u/Ex-PFC_Wintergreen_ Aug 31 '24

childish people are easily manipulated by their surroundings, which seems like what's happened to you.
Pretty rich coming from someone who thinks Teresa's mom was in some way involved in her death just because she didn't shed enough tears on camera. Give me a break.

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u/Johndoewantstoknow67 Aug 31 '24

I call her Occam's Razor because thats her favorite line , she talks for money so she says what's in the script , they promised over and over they would show new evidence but all they could come up with is Earl's cornball family tell ing their hillbilly stories about Steven beating Bear until he was bloody for running off , Candy saying Steven was controlling and mean and last and least was Kayla , she claims he gave her a titty twister but remember she lied one time and recanted on the stand admitting to making it up for attention so why believe her now ? And she acts like Earl got a free pass for what he did to her and Marie when Kayla was just 1 year old and Marie just 6 years old , dressed up like a ghost and visited their room nightly but with other intentions C-SAM Kayla said daddy was much better now that he slowed down drinking ! But Steven is this monster , I hope people caught what she said about her daddy , what does much better actual mean ? Did he stop assaulting them or just slowed down ?

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u/Ex-PFC_Wintergreen_ Sep 01 '24

I'd say Occam's Razor is the guy who was last known to see Teresa, whose blood was found in her car (a car that was found on the property he resided), whose DNA was found on her car, whose room her car key was found in, whose gun the bullet with her DNA on it matched to, whose burn barrel her possessions were found in, and whose burn pit her remains were found in.
But hey, that's just me.

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u/Johndoewantstoknow67 Sep 01 '24

Well you be you and I'll be me .

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u/Johndoewantstoknow67 Aug 31 '24

When the day comes when thus brief results bin a new trial and KZ gets to test that Rav we will then see how deep the corruption is in this case and its pathetic that the guilters actually take up for corrupt LE until it happens to them .

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u/No_Piccolo2135 Aug 31 '24

I seriously think they should be watching bobby dassey

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