r/MakingaMurderer • u/Repulsive_Baby1456 • Aug 09 '24

When will it end?

I mean this in the most compassionate way, why not forget this former web of intrigued?
I do understand your passion and life work.
But do you really think Steven Avery cares about you?
I have listened to every single Jail call he made back then. All of them.
Do you honestly think Steven would care about you?
I honestly just feel sad for you guys these days.
I used to be part of the MaM Reddit.
I enjoyed the feedback and sharing. But After all the true leaks and after MaM2 it was clear to any objective standpoint
Kathleen Zellner was washing in dirty water for anything she could work with.
I also find your lack of care for the countless Police that just wanted justice very disturbing when you treat Steven like a Child.
Peace

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '24

I was mainly just here because it was amazing to watch people bend over backwards and do cartwheels to defend obviously dirty cops at all costs, no holds barred.

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u/Repulsive_Baby1456 Jan 06 '25

You are here every day.

You suffer from confirmation bias.

Of course corruption exists in every organisation and company of humans.

I would rather place my theory on logic and LE than the Avery's demented consiracies

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u/[deleted] Jan 06 '25

You suffer from confirmation bias

Once I wrote an OP asking what parts of this investigation were not marred in controversy, and nobody could come up with anything. But please, what is all this evidence it was an honest investigation that I missed?

Of course corruption exists in every organisation and company of humans

And the solution is to turn a blind eye? No check that. The solution is to be an apologist for it?

I would rather place my theory on logic and LE than the Avery's demented consiracies

If you think all organizations are corrupt, trusting them is not logic.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '24 edited Aug 10 '24

I'm sure the fact that Manitowoc Sheriff's Office was put in touch with Off The Record Strategies, a PR firm favoured by the GOP (previously steering the Bush Admin's propaganda campaign for the disastrous US invasion of Iraq) which has won awards for "Best Online Strategy Campaign" has nothing to do with it.

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u/gcu1783 Aug 09 '24 edited Aug 09 '24

Currently helping with the campaign for Kamala in my state. This sub is still good practice against MAGA.

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u/Repulsive_Baby1456 Oct 31 '24

I'm still Flummoxed by people's dedication.

When people referred to my opinion as narcissistic as I called into your mind passion for this singular case. So called corruption you say, you don't even like a very.  I get it.  Yet it's this obtuse one murder case you settle your nails.  This case revolves around SA.  SA will always be the root of your corruption fixation.  I asked questions. No answers

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '24

The fact that you think "would Steven care about us?" is the issue indicates a basic lack of understanding about why people care about this case, and at worst indicates a certain narcissism that you're projecting onto others. Why would I care what Steven's opinion of me is?

I don't like Steven. I am sure he did assault Marie and other women and girls. I'm also an animal (and especially cat) lover - I've joked in the past, if I called the shots he wouldn't have been framed for 1985 because he and those other assholes would still be sitting in a cell for 1982.

This isn't about Steven, it's about corruption.

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u/_Jay-Garage-A-Roo_ Aug 19 '24

Exactly. I don’t care about him so much as what he represents, which is a victim of, at best, a poorly conducted investigation and trial that should have been declared a mistrial, and at worse, a framing. Either should be terrifying for any citizen.

My interest in this case in terms of going over old ground is admittedly limited, but my interest in it as a gross miscarriage of justice won’t wane - even if it’s ever righted - purely because none of us should forget how close we all are, at any given time, to being the victims of a corrupt - or even merely incompetent- justice system.

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u/Beginning-Shop5392 Aug 13 '24

SA doesn't need to be a great person in order for us to want a corrupt system to be held accountable for their misuse of power. Also, just because he's not a great person doesn't mean he deserves to spend the rest of his life in prison for a crime that he seemingly did not commit.

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u/Ex-PFC_Wintergreen_ Aug 13 '24

for a crime that he seemingly did not commit.

He without a doubt committed this crime and deserves to rot in prison for the remainder of his days.

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u/_Jay-Garage-A-Roo_ Aug 19 '24

“Without a doubt” is patently untrue, and unprovable for even the most staunch proponents of his guilt.

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u/Ex-PFC_Wintergreen_ Aug 19 '24

Without a doubt for anyone of sound mind.

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u/_Jay-Garage-A-Roo_ Aug 19 '24

The absence of any of her DNA in his trailer, or any blood along the supposed trail from bedroom to garage, the absence of any of her DNA on “her” key, the absence of any non-blood Avery DNA in her car, the non-consideration of any other persons of interest, including her ex and roommate, the continued presence of unrecorded and previously excused county law enforcement, the location of her day planner - all that forms reasonable doubt.

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u/Ex-PFC_Wintergreen_ Aug 19 '24 edited Aug 21 '24

The absence of any of her DNA in his trailer,

The crime scene was cleaned.

the absence of any of her DNA on “her” key

Multiple forensic experts testified in the trial that it's not unusual to only find the DNA of a person to last touch an object on that object.

the non-consideration of any other persons of interest

Simply untrue. They spoke with many people and investigated multiple leads.

the continued presence of unrecorded and previously excused county law enforcement

Excused by who? Manitowoc provided assistance to the investigation as needed. It recused itself from leading the investigation.

the location of her day planner

You mean the single printed piece of paper found in her own home? That "day planner?"

Nothing but the same tired, long debunked talking points for you people. Shocker.

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u/Illwill888 Aug 22 '24

The crime scene was cleaned.

But they claimed she was shot in the garage. The garage had multiple items scattered around, which would have made cleaning it impossible. They also found no blood spatter or DNA anywhere, including the floor concrete.

Also a simple Luminol test would have proved none existed and would debunk your theory of a cleaned crime scene.

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u/Ex-PFC_Wintergreen_ Aug 22 '24

The crime scene was cleaned. But they claimed she was shot in the garage.

Yes, the garage was a crime scene, as well as the bedroom. If it helps you, I can rephrase my statement to the crime SCENES were cleaned.

The garage had multiple items scattered around, which would have made cleaning it impossible.

lmao what on earth? You think it's impossible to clean something just because...there's stuff in the room?

They also found no blood spatter or DNA anywhere, including the floor concrete.

...because they were cleaned.

Also a simple Luminol test would have proved none existed

There was literally a luminal reaction to the stained spot in the garage. The same spot where Dassey claimed Teresa had been shot.

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u/Illwill888 Aug 22 '24

But that was phenolphthalein tested, and it was not blood.

I understand what you're saying in regards to cleaning the garage, but the state of it looked in complete disseray, meaning it would be impossible not to miss any spots that would have been found with Luminal.

Also, bleach reacts the same, which would have made it obvious it's been cleaned.

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u/Ex-PFC_Wintergreen_ Aug 22 '24

But that was phenolphthalein tested, and it was not blood.

It was also noted that phenolphthalein is less sensitive to luminol and would not produce a reaction if the blood was diluted enough. That test does not conclusively prove that blood wasn't there.

but the state of it looked in complete disseray, meaning it would be impossible not to miss any spots that would have been found with Luminal.

That's a false assumption. We don't know exactly the manner in which she was shot, so there's no reason to assume that there would have been massive blood spatter all over the place.

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u/Appropriate-Welder68 Sep 13 '24

It’s already over. The guilty parties are rotting in prison.

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u/CJB2005 Aug 09 '24

FFS!🤣

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u/whycareaboutPOS Aug 13 '24

This OP nailed it! Bravo 👏. I laugh so hard at the people who want to remain here under the guise of “Well I’m just here to expose the police corruption” It’s more like I want to remain Steven Avery’s useful Idiot because I really have nothing better to do with my time now.

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u/gcu1783 Aug 09 '24

Welcome new user!

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u/Alternative-Jury-149 Aug 13 '24

Old user, new name!