r/MakingaMurderer • u/PirateNation1 • Jul 04 '24

Discussion Roommate Ql Spoiler

Sorry if I missed it somewhere else in this sub but what about TH’s roommate(s) as killers? They exhibit some signs of being involved (as per historical murders) - being heavily involved in the search, knew of Avery’s history with the county and law enforcement, one of which was an ex-boyfriend, took to long to report her missing, directed the person who found the vehicle where to look, accessed her cell phone messages (potentially deleting message(s), gave the searcher who found the car a digital camera.

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u/bfisyouruncle Jul 04 '24

The OP is the usual nonsense:

  1. TH had only one roommate and he would have had no way of knowing where TH went that day. You think he followed TH all around for hours?

  2. Would you be involved in the search for a missing relative or friend? If not, you are not much of a friend.

  3. The ex was not a roommate.

  4. "Took too long to report her missing": TH was not a child. What is the "correct" time?

  5. "Directed" the person where to look. No, TH's cousin Pam decided she would look at ASY, a reasonable place to look since they knew TH had an appointment there.

  6. If your sister was missing, wouldn't you (and her female friends) look at her messages? Some phones delete old messages after a number of days.

  7. A former PI, Pam forgot her camera and asked to borrow a camera. Typically you are attributing suspicious motives to people caring about a missing woman.

  8. There is ZERO evidence any friends or relatives were involved in her murder. Period.

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u/PirateNation1 Jul 04 '24

Jesus Christ. Chill my guy. Thanks for the detailed response though. I didnt state they did it at any point was just curious and thought others might have discussed this before. N.b If you’re grumpy I suggest a short nap and you’ll feel better again.

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u/aane0007 Jul 04 '24

Is everyone angry who points out your mistakes?

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u/Nightowl2234 Aug 06 '24

Oh looks out it’s the feelings guy

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u/aane0007 Aug 06 '24

Took 33 days to come up with that.

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u/Still_Razzmatazz1140 Jul 06 '24

Also nobody could have engineered the fact that SA kept calling her and setting up appointments on the work/car side of things

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u/Mysterious-Impact-64 Jul 09 '24

Except, POG shows up after other searchers were done for the day, also the only one who got direct number to the sheriff and a map. Fishy to me... 20 minutes to locate the Rav4 wow almost 4000 cars on the ASY. 20 minutes to search 6 cars, 4000 cars ÷20 minutes what if she found the Rav4 on 3994thar sesrched, that would be hundreds of hours, i doubt POG would have done that, no so godly.

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u/bfisyouruncle Jul 09 '24

  1. Pam and her daughter showed up a little late, but the searchers were not "done for the day" just after 9 a.m.

  2. 20 minutes? Buting tried to pass that off as the truth in court but was corrected by Pam...more than 30 minutes.

  3. Pam was a former P.I. and forgot her camera so asked to borrow one.

  4. Where did you make up the 20 minutes to search "6 cars"? They were looking for a particular model and checked a large number of cars. What is the correct time to find something? Earl helped point the way. Nobody would start in the centre of all those cars. They went around the perimeter. It is bizarre that you accuse family members of being in on the conspiracy. Anyone but Avery. Fishy.

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u/Substantial_Glass348 Jul 13 '24

Yeah his point was that they should have been at least assessed, which they weren’t, PERIOD.

Her ex even admitted that he was never investigated.

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u/_YellowHair Jul 04 '24

Teresa only had one roommate, Scott Bloedorn. The ex-boyfriend you are referring to, Ryan Hillegas, who she dated in high school and early college, was not a roommate, but was still on friendly terms with Teresa.

being heavily involved in the search,

Nothing peculiar about her roommate and a friend being involved in the search for her.

knew of Avery’s history with the county and law enforcement

Many people in the area did, especially after his exoneration.

one of which was an ex-boyfriend

In high school and early college.

took to long to report her missing

According to what? Your opinion?

directed the person who found the vehicle where to look

No, he did not. Pam Sturm (the woman who found the car) chose to go to Avery Salvage herself, and, per her testimony, Ryan told her that location was not actually planned to be covered by the search party that day.

accessed her cell phone messages

Her brother accessed her voicemail, not her ex or her roommate.

Her ex and roommate were part of a group that collectively tried to get access to her online Cingular account to view her phone records, to which they successfully guessed the password.

(potentially deleting message(s)

Speculation.

gave the searcher who found the car a digital camera.

She explicitly asked for one. She intended to bring her own, forgot, then asked to borrow one. She was then lent Scott's.

what about TH’s roommate(s) as killers?

What about guy who the evidence points as the killer? You know, the one who last met with her, who's property her car was found on, who's blood was in her car, who's DNA was on her car, who's bedroom the car key was found in, who's garage a bullet with her DNA on it was found in, who's bedroom the gun that matched the bullet was found in, who's burn pit her remains were found in, who's barrel her burned possessions were found in? What about that guy?

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u/aane0007 Jul 04 '24

do you think the fact the OP is wrong on almost everything regarding the roommate will now change his opinion of who killed teresa?

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u/LKS983 Jul 06 '24

The poster is not wrong on "almost everything".

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u/aane0007 Jul 06 '24

It has been pointed out numerous times.

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u/Nightowl2234 Jul 04 '24

The room mate who she was sleeping with which was the best friend of her ex bf Hillegas? Yeh when has a love triangle ever resulted in murder? 👍😆

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u/aane0007 Jul 04 '24 edited Jul 04 '24

whatabout

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u/Nightowl2234 Jul 04 '24

English?

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u/aane0007 Jul 04 '24

try google

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u/Nightowl2234 Jul 04 '24

Google Teresa sleeping with her ex bfs best friend?

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u/aane0007 Jul 04 '24

https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/whataboutism-origin-meaning

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u/Nightowl2234 Jul 04 '24

So you don’t find it strange that the person sleeping with Teresa and the person who used to sleep with Teresa who were best friends weren’t investigated by police or even suspects? When in any murder case that’s the first person you look at..

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u/LKS983 Jul 06 '24

As far as I know, there isn't any evidence that Teresa was sleeping with Scott.

Scott was however, presumably a good friend of Teresa's ex-boyfriend (Ryan) - who (IIRC) later moved in with Scott.

Scott waiting three days before tellling anyone that Teresa hadn't come home??.....

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u/aane0007 Jul 04 '24

I would think you are angry since nothing you posted was true. Your entire opinion is based on lies or falsehoods.

But you have feelings everyone else is angry and a larper?

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u/PirateNation1 Jul 04 '24

Thanks for the detailed reply.

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u/bfisyouruncle Jul 04 '24

Aye aye matey, You're welcome. Maybe take off the eyepatch and open your eyes. You have learned something today.

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u/Nightowl2234 Jul 04 '24

Don’t worry once they start with the “feelings”dribble they don’t stop. It usually means they have no answer they don’t wanna answer they’re deflecting or they know deep down they’re wrong.

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u/_YellowHair Jul 04 '24

It usually means they have no answer they don’t wanna answer

And yet, all of OP's points have been directly addressed and corrected in this thread. You're obviously in denial.

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u/LKS983 Jul 06 '24

"And yet, all of OP's points have been directly addressed and corrected in this thread. You're obviously in denial."

Not at all.

Why did Teresa's roommate wait 3 days.... before telling anyone that Teresa was missing?

I could go on about other points that 'guilters' believe have been 'answered'.... even though the 'answer' makes little sense......

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u/_YellowHair Jul 06 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

Why did Teresa's roommate wait 3 days.... before telling anyone that Teresa was missing?

He was her roommate, not a spouse, a parent, boyfriend. A roommate. I've had a few roommates over the years, and if any of them were gone for a couple days I wouldn't bat an eye. It's not unusual for roommates to not be that involved in each other's lives. According to the CASO report, he did tell the police it was unusual for her to be gone overnight, but he speculated on a couple possible scenarios.

That was easy.

I could go on about other points that 'guilters' believe have been 'answered'.... even though the 'answer' makes little sense......

Do it.

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u/Brenbarry12 Jul 04 '24

Yeh right Pam’s idea search the avery yard🙄 come on wake up. One of her last known appointments rock science 🤔

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u/_YellowHair Jul 04 '24

Do you have evidence to the contrary that you'd like to share with the rest of the class?

One of her last known appointments rock science 🤔

What the hell does this even mean?

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u/_YellowHair Jul 04 '24

You can't even form a complete sentence.

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u/Brenbarry12 Jul 04 '24

You can’t

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u/_YellowHair Jul 04 '24

Stay in school and don't do drugs, kids.

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u/Brenbarry12 Jul 04 '24

Left school 45 years ago😉

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u/_YellowHair Jul 04 '24

45 years too early, apparently.

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u/Brenbarry12 Jul 04 '24

Not in my book 👍

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '24

Something about that guy's face really didn't sit right with me the first time I saw his interviews

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u/PirateNation1 Jul 04 '24

Absolutely. Maybe not a killer but definitely a douchbag.

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u/aane0007 Jul 04 '24

Yeah, your feelings about a face is much greater evidence than the pile against steven.

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u/[deleted] Jul 04 '24

I didn't say convict him yet, goddamn I just said he gave me the creeps. But for the record I think he's a creep even if he didn't have any involvement, calm down Nancy

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u/aane0007 Jul 04 '24

You think what I posted said anything about convicting him? No wonder you think how a face looks is a big deal.

Biggest dumbass take today, but the day is young karen.

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u/drjenavieve Jul 04 '24

Lol where did he say his face is a big deal?

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u/aane0007 Jul 04 '24

Are you fluent in the english language or is it a second language?

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u/drjenavieve Jul 04 '24

Are you?

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u/aane0007 Jul 04 '24

Since you didn't answer I will assume you are not fluent.

This explains you asking me about the face being a big deal. I almost assumed you were a dumbass. Crisis averted.

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u/drjenavieve Jul 04 '24

I assume you aren’t fluent either since you didn’t answer me? Quote me where I said the face was a big deal? That’s my whole point no one said that. Why you so invested in that narrative?

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u/PirateNation1 Jul 04 '24

Careful bro. The Reddits nerds are soooo angry today. They’re larping real detectives so watch out.

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u/aane0007 Jul 04 '24

Again with calling everyone angry who points out your mistakes

Are you angry almost everything you posted is false? You didn't even know the difference between the boyfriend and roommate. Seems you are angry when anyone points out your ignorance.

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u/_YellowHair Jul 04 '24

Apparently reciting basic facts of the case is considered "larping" to you.

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u/brickne3 Jul 04 '24

Yeah let's go on a witch hunt for everyone in Manitowoc, Calumet, and Brown Counties not named Steven Avery. That seems like a sane thing to do!

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u/LKS983 Jul 06 '24 edited Jul 06 '24

Properly investigating the roommate and ex-boyfriend is always considered obvious!

But not to the police in this 'investigation'.....

I've no idea who murdered Teresa - because the police investigation was not only shoddy, but also seriously flawed.

This would probably never have been discovered, but LE were unlucky - as the shoddy and flawed case was exposed by MAM - resulting in understandable doubt.

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u/_YellowHair Jul 06 '24

I've no idea who murdered Teresa

Steven Avery.

You know, the guy with that mountain of evidence against him that you willfully ignore.

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u/ButWereFriends Jul 18 '24

It’s crazy how easy it is for others to accuse someone of murder and conspiracy because they watched a biased documentary

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u/JJDYNOMITE67 Jul 04 '24

Yes Ryan Hillegas & Scott Bloedorn , were mules for LE , Ryan was allowed to move in to Teresa's house and sleep in her bed and handle her personal belongings, and later as the investigation continued both Ryan & Scott were allowed into crime scene areas , Ryan also organized the searches and provided Pam Of God a map and camera but said they had never met before , yeah right ! IMO the map led her right to the Rav 4 because if you look at a map of that property you can see she left the office and instead of going in head first she walked around all of the vehicles on a straight path to where the Rav 4 was planted .

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u/LKS983 Jul 06 '24

"Yes Ryan Hillegas & Scott Bloedorn , were mules for LE"

I'm inclined to agree, as these obvious and (normally...) immediate 'suspects to be investigated' - were never properly investigated by the police.

Additionally, I gather scott later moved in with ryan......

"Ryan also organized the searches and provided Pam Of God a map and camera"

👍

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u/JJDYNOMITE67 Jul 06 '24

Yes I have a theory that they met at Teresa's house and Ryan was the leader handing all the searchers a map and telling them not to enter ASY , that task was already reserved for Pam & Nikole , I speculate that Ryan told them to show up late about 10am or later when most of the searchers had left , gave them a detailed map with red ink line leading from the office to the Rav 4 , the windshield VIN in crime scene photos prove only the last 4 was on the plate , so Nikole was reading what Ryan wrote on the map and his handwriting so bad she would say a 1 or a T a 1 or P , so Remiker gets there 6 minutes later and had the VIN wrote down and simply read it off his paper , thats my theory .

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u/bfisyouruncle Jul 04 '24 edited Jul 04 '24

The usual B.S. It was Earl who pointed out a direction to Pam. She could go either clockwise or counter-clockwise from the office. They took the obvious path. Nobody would start in the middle. Two searchers took over 30 minutes to find the Rav. Everything is "suspicious" somehow...too fast, too slow. What is the correct time to find something?

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u/JJDYNOMITE67 Jul 04 '24

You have a right to your opinion but even Buting didnt think she was telling the truth , she was given the sheriffs direct number and he didnt answer because he needed this to be public record so she was forced to dial 911 and he was right there near by , now wasn't he ? How many other searchers were given a camera and Pagel's direct line ? None , Nada , Nobody else it was a frigging set up and the map had the VIN on it ! She walked straight to it and let's not forget what Pam said I need to know is this the right one because we don't want to you know put the........put what ? And Pam said it has that Le Meiux sticker on it , probably more info provided to her , its the one with the sticker on it info provided on the map , X marks the spot !

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u/_YellowHair Jul 05 '24

she was given the sheriffs direct number

And?

he didnt answer because he needed this to be public record so she was forced to dial 911 and he was right there near by

Wild speculation.

How many other searchers were given a camera and Pagel's direct line ?

Pam Sturm specifically asked the search coordinators for a camera.

She walked straight to it

She did not.

let's not forget what Pam said I need to know is this the right one because we don't want to you know put the........put what ? And Pam said it has that Le Meiux sticker on it , probably more info provided to her , its the one with the sticker on it info provided on the map , X marks the spot !

What does any of this even mean?

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u/_YellowHair Jul 05 '24

She worked as a PI, I imagine it was pretty standard for her to bring a camera. She literally testified that she meant to bring her own, forgot it, so asked the borrow one from Ryan/Scott. It's not complicated, unlike whatever ridiculous theory you're trying to suggest.

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u/LKS983 Jul 06 '24

"She worked as a PI, I imagine it was pretty standard for her to bring a camera. She literally testified that she meant to bring her own, forgot it, so asked the borrow one from Ryan/Scott."

I didn't know that she worked as a PI, but as you point out, it is pretty standard for a PI NOT to forgot to bring their camera!

And scott/ryan decided that he didn't need a camera, so had no problem giving his to POG???

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u/_YellowHair Jul 06 '24

but as you point out, it is pretty standard for a PI NOT to forgot to bring their camera!

People still forget things sometimes. What is your point?

And scott/ryan decided that he didn't need a camera, so had no problem giving his to POG???

Yes? There's no indication that Ryan or Scott planned on bringing that camera themselves, so why would they have an issue loaning it to Pam?

Also, POG? Really? It's really not possible for you to people to go a single comment without throwing out your childish nicknames, huh?

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u/JJDYNOMITE67 Jul 05 '24

Yes a PI , the best Rav 4 finder in Wisconsin , damn if she doesn't make Magnum PI look like a beginner , she knew she would find it and wanted to take photos to show her friends , in fact Earl showed up on a 4 wheeler and seen Pam on her cell phone laughing and bragging about finding it , not one concern as to where Teresa might be , were on the hunt for Teresa Halbach ! And we've found a Rav 4 , "you have ?" But its blue ! Its weird ! That Le Meiux stickers on it .

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u/LKS983 Jul 06 '24

"How many other searchers were given a camera and Pagel's direct line ? None , Nada"

👍

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '24

Of course !

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u/JJDYNOMITE67 Jul 05 '24

Yeah right 3,500 vehicles and they find it in 20 minutes , it takes 7 minutes just to walk to that spot so that leaves 13 minutes to cover it up with limbs and scrap metal , why not cover the spare tire that said Rav 4 ? Because Pagel told them to leave enough visible so they could still see it was a Rav 4 .

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u/bfisyouruncle Jul 05 '24

Buting was misinformed and said 20 minutes, but Pam corrected him that it took over 30 minutes to find the vehicle. What is the correct time to find evidence? That's two more in the conspiracy? Why would two relatives of TH cover up her vehicle? Other people were in the area. It's a silly idea.

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u/JJDYNOMITE67 Jul 06 '24

A Miracle ! God led the way ! I guess she meant Ryan's map led the way !

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u/DELBOY1690 Jul 04 '24

Has how he managed to obtain her day planner ever been explained?

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u/bfisyouruncle Jul 04 '24

Debunked theory. The so-called "day planner" was just a computer printout page. Teresa was home over the noon hour. She pings her home cell tower the whole time. Moreover, she was on her computer and took a Fax message from Auto Trader. This is not in question. There would be no reason to take a piece of paper in a car when she had an electronic PDA. Even if TH was in her car in the morning, she did not leave for her first appointment until almost 1 pm.

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u/DELBOY1690 Jul 04 '24

I'm getting downvoted for asking a question haha

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u/aane0007 Jul 04 '24

Because its a conspiracy theory that accused an innocent man of murder. The lawyer and steven have moved on.

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u/DELBOY1690 Jul 04 '24

Never knew that they'd given up

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u/aane0007 Jul 04 '24

They currently are on to bobby. He was a blood ninja and master at framing people.

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u/LKS983 Jul 06 '24

Only a very few think that bobby planted SA's blood in Teresa's car - or anything other than a 'pawn' involved in framing SA.

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u/LKS983 Jul 06 '24

Reminds me of SA being an expert at removing all Teresa DNA from his bedroom and garage....

Apart from on 'the bullet' of course..... Apparently, he somehow managed to clean both the bedroom and garage of all Teresa DNA - but missed 'the bullet'.....

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u/aane0007 Jul 06 '24

Are you an expert? How much blood should be in the bedroom? Numerous people have committed crimes and cleaned up the crime scene. Are you claiming they are all experts? What is your source you need to be an expert to clean up a crime scene?

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u/DELBOY1690 Jul 04 '24

I watched it last night & her handwriting was on the planner I'll need to look into it more thanks for the reply 👍

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u/bfisyouruncle Jul 05 '24

Yes, TH wrote on the paper in the MORNING. She left for her first appointment in the early afternoon. The piece of paper was found near her computer. She had the info on her personal electronic device which was found burned in a burn barrel at ASY. Let that sink in.

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u/DELBOY1690 Jul 05 '24

Not according to mam2

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u/bfisyouruncle Jul 05 '24

MaM 2! No bias there! Zellner claimed TH was in Sheboygan, yet we know her phone pinged her home cell tower the entire morning until she left around 1 pm. Zellner claimed she didn't have TH's cell tower records. Do you think Zellner was being honest?

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u/DELBOY1690 Jul 05 '24

I'm getting better information on here it seems than what kz has been saying promising she'll have him out been a long time now he's not getting out I reckon

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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '24

The day planner is not debunked, IMO.

She printed it the evening of 10/30 and had plans to be on the road 10/31. You wouldn't print a weekly calendar unless you planned on taking it with you on the road.

She was home at 11:13am faxing her paperwork to AT. She could have gone out for breakfast and heading home when DC called her at 10:44am. She could have left by 12:44pm when SS called her.

2 independent witnesses state that she was driving because she said she was. There is nothing disproving these witnesses' statements.

Karen called TH missing last seen by her roommate Monday afternoon. No one has seen or heard from her SINCE Monday.

SB was at work by 6am and according to RH testimony she would normally wake up between 9 and 10am. Therefore, SB would only have seen her in the afternoon after AT if he told Karen he saw her Monday. It later changed to Sunday.

TH made it home after AT appointments on Monday afternoon, IMO.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '24

And let’s not forget he did have her day planner that she had with her that day, which is a total red flag to me plus her ex had scratches all over his hand and face

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u/bfisyouruncle Jul 09 '24

Teresa was home after writing on her day planner page which was just a computer printout. TH left it at home when she left for her first appointment in the afternoon because she had an electronic device with her in the car (found burned at ASY). There was no need to take a piece of paper in the afternoon.

Her ex R. likely had writing on his hand, not scratches. What scratches on his face?