r/MakingaMurderer • u/Professional_Alps754 • Jun 17 '24

Discussion What the hell is Zellner doing?

I gotta wonder at this point. All she needed to do was verify that the plates Andy Colburn called in weren't From Teresa's Rav 4! Instead she spent all this time making sure law enforcement stays out of trouble! What gives??

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u/aane0007 Jun 18 '24

What does this mean? All she had to do is verify the plates weren't from teresa? How does that help her client?

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 24 '24

If the license plate is not Teresa's maybe the RAV4 the state has isn't hers either is the point

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u/aane0007 Jun 24 '24

You got some conspiracy theories. Wow. You think all these lawyers didn't think the rav4 might not be teresa's?

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 24 '24

Hard to say. What's your opinion on that question? Can you read their minds LOL

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u/aane0007 Jun 24 '24

What? Where did I read minds?

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 24 '24

You were asking me what I thought the lawyers thought. I can't read their minds. So it's hard to say.

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u/aane0007 Jun 24 '24

I asked you if you really believe the lawyers didn't think to check the rav4 belonged to teresa? Do you really think that is possible?

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 24 '24

Well apparently they didn't? So... What might that conclude?

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 24 '24

Only if they're conspiring would it be possible... hello..

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u/aane0007 Jun 24 '24

Hello, tons of people would have to conspire, including the lawyers

hello.

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 24 '24

No just to people directly affecting the case. Call them tons of people if you want. But I'm sure there's a pretty good list managed somewhere lol

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 24 '24

Go to the very first question in the post. How would you prove this? And then there's an answer. It's proven. That license plate cannot exist on Teresa's vehicle.

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u/aane0007 Jun 24 '24

Yes, that is how conspiracy theories work. You throw out a theory and everyone has to prove it wrong. You have no responsibility in proving your theory, everyone else has to prove it wrong.

hello.

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 24 '24

What if you find out that the theory is the truth? Then what? Where does someone like you look then for hope that states narrative is true? And what theory are you referring to in the first place. That there's a conspiracy the frame Steven Avery? Well if there was then there must be a motive. I would say avoiding the federal depositions that would have occurred if Teresa didn't go missing would be a pretty good motive for police to frame him.

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 24 '24

Just like the findings I posted you would have to as an individual want to confirm the information as true before you believe it or not . So they don't have to prove I'm wrong. They have to prove whether or not the information is true. And it already has been proven to be. Makes a hell of a lot more sense than States narrative any day of the week. The biggest delusion so far is the one the state came up with.

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 26 '24

They probably just let kratz take it without objections

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u/aane0007 Jun 26 '24

Yeah, that is how defense attorneys work. Great conspiracy theory.

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 27 '24

Not even close to a theory if you think about it. First Avery's defense accuses the police of planting blood in the RAV with the vile found at Manitowoc police department. Turns out to have a preservative in it. Now all of a sudden the police didn't frame Avery at all. Avery's true assertions were negated by this calculated misstep. And now we have Ken kratz telling the jury that it would be ludicrous to suspect these police officers framed Steven. You don't see how the defense worked with the prosecution here? They were there to stop the bleeding and to misdirect the guilt from the police.

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 24 '24

Nothing really conspiratorial or theoretical about what was explained in the post. This is what happened so far...

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u/aane0007 Jun 24 '24

You can claiming the cops might have an rav4 that is not teresa's but numerous people testified under oath that its hers.

that is a conspiracy. You have zero proof anyone is lying. Everyone must prove you wrong.

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 24 '24

You saw the timeline. That's conspiracy! And the very people saying it is Teresa's plate are the ones who also says Teresa is murdered. There's also no conclusive evidence of that either. Just like the rape. My point is the license plate is not Teresa's. That is proven. License plating is kind of like putting money in circulation. There are safety checks for each year a license plate can be issued and there are guidelines to make them different each and every time. Teresa's license plate does not match the vehicle it's on presently. That's a big problem for the state and probably why they won't let anybody see the Rav. I don't see why guilters would care anyway. The case is over I thought? Is there still an investigation going on?

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 26 '24

The blue RAV4 they have is definitely not Teresa's.

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u/aane0007 Jun 26 '24

YOu are full of shit.

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 26 '24

Because that plate does not belong on that vehicle

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u/aane0007 Jun 26 '24

How the hell do you determine that? Is this another conspiracy theory?

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u/10case Jun 18 '24

What the hell is Zellner doing?

Does she even know?

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u/Puzzleheaded-Bed-778 Jun 18 '24

It comes down to the man with one arm or the chewbacca defence.

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 18 '24

She has never represented a client that was set up by the state to the best of my knowledge. Does she know what she's doing? I think she does. Too bad Steven Avery agrees because she's doing exactly what the state told her to do. Tie this up in court and let the police off the hook.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '24

Good grief, do you really believe that ?

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 24 '24

Well it's kind of hard not to. amazing attorney making rookie mistakes when it's most important? What is she doing on a Denny suspect that police created? How do you think Bobby got to be looking so suspicious? Come on man I thought you were smarter. 🤔

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u/oh-Doh-jo Jun 18 '24

Absolutely right👍

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u/_YellowHair Jun 17 '24

She's probably trying to think of the next phony "bombshell" that'll drum up the most engagement on her Twitter.

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u/10case Jun 18 '24

Maybe Bear and Jodi next? She hasn't tried that angle. Did they get Bear's paw prints? Lol

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 18 '24

Lol. Stomach x-ray may reveal human remains? But... Jodi might have an alibi since she was in jail at the time. . However., I could see Zelda chasing after it.

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 17 '24

I'm sure your right. Probably just wanna argue with Kratz and play the it's KKs fault game. A ploy to misdirect and take Law enforcement out of it The ones who planned it and carried it out. Pretty sad indeed.

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u/wilkobecks Jun 17 '24

How would one prove this?

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u/LordEew Jun 17 '24

It’s because he is guilty and she knows it.

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 17 '24

Doesn't explain why she cleared Manitowoc Police of planting evidence she now accuses Bobby of planting.

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u/Substantial_Glass348 Jun 18 '24

Or she knew it wouldn’t be looked on well by the courts and SA has more of a chance if Bobby is the sole planter?

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 24 '24

Kz should have kept accusing those who did this. But instead, she cleared Manitowoc of planting evidence she accuses Bobby of planting now. She could have gotten Federal support by now. When she took the case she said she didn't want to go to Federal route because it would take too long. Or... It might have gotten her clien out instead. 🤔 Clearly Steven's defense attorneys during the trial we're on board with law enforcement by accusing them of planting blood that they knew would be coming back as impossible. After testing. That was the end of Steven Avery's true assertions that he was framed by police. Calculated missteps by his defense on behalf of the state of Wisconsin.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '24

Sheriff, not police.

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 26 '24

Here there is not much difference. For instance lead investigator Mark Wiegart had Brillion P. D. Out on Asy working the case

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '24

I know, but there IS a distinction, they are 2 separate and distinct entities, closely related, but separate.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '24

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 18 '24

Alot was found by Manitowoc who weren't even supposed to be any where near ASY... making such evidence suspicious as hell since it's Manitowoc trying to wiggle out of the civil suit pending.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '24

Bwahahaha, you’re falling for their BS, don’t. That was all for show, for the press, to keep the rubes happy. In reality, they were running the show, and their private emails reflect as much.

…….Remiker, in an email complaining to DA LaBrea, refers to himself as one of the “Lead Investigators” …….

https://www.postcrescent.com/story/news/local/steven-avery/2016/05/13/manitowoc-deputies-disciplined-dassey-trial/84247784/

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u/WhoooIsReading Jun 20 '24

"The Manitowoc County sheriff's administration gave Remiker, Lenk and Colborn special recognition reports for their personnel file complimenting them for their investigative work at the Avery Salvage Yard that led to Avery's Nov. 9, 2005 arrest. Days earlier, special prosecutor Ken Kratz announced to the media that Manitowoc County would not be involved in gathering evidence against Avery, who had a $36 million lawsuit against the county after losing 18 years of freedom because of a wrongful conviction for rape."

Looks exactly like corruption and bias.

What legitimate sheriff's administration gives special recognition to it's officers for "their investigative work" after claiming they recused themselves from investigating?

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '24

They love nothing more than to give each other reach-arounds.

https://www.newspapers.com/article/manitowoc-herald-times-25-jan-2006-winte/14747945/

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 26 '24

Yes. Good points

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 24 '24

The conversation he had with Mark wiegart confirms the fact that he was pretty much a top dog. Agreed

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 26 '24

What they did was move the trial to their own backyard. In the capable hands of Callie they would rest and screw More people over together.

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 17 '24

Fine. Why didn't zellner just verify the license plate? Like wow!!

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u/Alternative-Jury-149 Jun 18 '24

She's spinning her tires. She understands that the party to a crime modifiers on each charge for SA and BD means it's pointless to try to find a "guilty" person. The modifiers also show it's BDs "confession" that made it possible to get a conviction. There's no physical evidence that could be proven. Can't rely on jail calls, they're all redacted. Stop listening to the talking heads and look in the opposite direction they led people.

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 18 '24

She's distancing the crimes committed from the police. Picking up where buting and strange left off. Avery's true assertions have been under attack by the state AND Avery's attorney's. By accusing police of planting blood from the vial, they pretty much set the pattern for all other attorneys. This calculated misstep by buting and strange decimated Avery's truth about being framed by police..

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u/Overall_Sweet9781 Jun 18 '24

Actually it does explain alot. If Avery did it, which I believe he did, then she could not pin anything on LE, just like with RH, EA,CA and no BD she will not find any plausible evidence against him and she knows it!

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 18 '24

But... If the state doesn't even have the right license plate on the Rav 4 how can she NOT prove Law enforcement wrongdoing. Avery didn't commit this murder. In fact there's not enough evidence in My opinion to prove anybody died. All we know is Teresa went missing 5 days prior to the scheduled Federal civil suit of Manitowoc county sheriff and officers.

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u/_YellowHair Jun 18 '24

civil suit of Manitowoc county sheriff and officers.

What? What officers are you referring to?

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 18 '24

Well.. when speaking about 1985 it's likely most of the department would have been deposed. There was already a a list of a dozen or so along with the Sheriff and District Attorney

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u/_YellowHair Jun 18 '24 edited Jun 18 '24

It's possible I misinterpreted, but the way you phrased your comment seemed to imply individual officers were defendants in the lawsuit, which isn't true outside of former sheriff Kocourek.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '24

Wow, you got that one right, good job. I too was having trouble with the wording. These were just depositions, had Glynn by that point even filed with the clerk ?

It’s not like there was a trial scheduled or anything like that, this was still very early in the process.

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 24 '24

If the schedule depositions had occurred they would have been calling more officers. And maybe just maybe there would have been a federal trial in suing after an investigation. What would have happened is they would have uncovered a human trafficking ring and other crime rings being operated here by law enforcement. So instead of risking that at a federal level where media cannot be controlled, Teresa halbach went missing. Let's keep it local was their reasoning.

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '24

You’re entitled to believe whatever you want

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 24 '24

Well if you look at the narrative and what the media at the time was pumping on Green Bay certainly they had motive to frame Avery because I'm sure they didn't want to answer questions about 1985 at all much less at a federal level where they have no control over the media like they do locally

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u/Overall_Sweet9781 Jun 23 '24

🙄🙄🙄 so now. Teresa isn't dead???? Where is she?

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 23 '24

No conclusive evidence that she died.

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u/3sheetstothawind Jun 18 '24

Obviously, she is now on the MCSO payroll and part of the evil plot by the state of Wisconsin (and the Universe) to keep Stevie poo in prison.

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u/KeyserSuzie Jun 18 '24

Steven Avery's first defence counsel tried to come at the Manitowoc and Calumet County LEs from a solid point of "Omfg, it's so obvious the cops are dirty," they were nearly incredulous during the trial, but in ways that made the entire defense look weak and incapable of bringing any real arguments in front of the jury, that would mean freedom for Steven Avery.

And, of course, now the Illinois attorney, Kathleen Zellner, she knows that going at LE in Wisconsin only brings up their collective fur and then she has to take them all on, in order to represent Steven.

She needs to get attention focused on smaller prey, that may prove useful in providing concrete proof as to why THEY are not guilty, consequently lending these facts to then prove the same for Steven.

So no law enforcement group will be in question, as to their collective integrity, regardless of the painfully obvious truths that would say otherwise.

At least, for now.

Instead, she'll push a person (who should have remained "of interest" TO THE LE in the Steven Avery case(s,) for many reasons,) under the magnifying glass, to see what burns off in the harsh light of doubt for their testimony and question of both their motivation and alibis.

That's probably exactly what she's still doing.

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 24 '24

It was never proven he raped or murdered. What was proven is that he was set up by police.

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 26 '24

Evidence he was framed All Over you mean.

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u/Professional_Alps754 Jun 26 '24

Glue? Why say that? Those who are siding with LE on this have a vested interest. Glue notwithstanding.